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Actually, even though they're capable of it, I believe Space Marines would hate or at least be extremely wary of underwater combat -

If their armour gets compromised, their biology won't help in any way and they'll just drown or be crushed (if they're fighting deep enough). Being superhuman wouldn't actually help THAT much down there, they'd be mostly relying on the armour.

 Otto Weston wrote:
Actually, even though they're capable of it, I believe Space Marines would hate or at least be extremely wary of underwater combat -

If their armour gets compromised, their biology won't help in any way and they'll just drown or be crushed (if they're fighting deep enough). Being superhuman wouldn't actually help THAT much down there, they'd be mostly relying on the armour.

Wat

Space Marines can survive underwater just fine, and aren't threatened by the pressures of deep oceans. They can "breathe" water with their third lung and the pressure won't kill them. More discomforting coupled with pain. Death would only result when you're getting to Mariana level of deep.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:
Actually, even though they're capable of it, I believe Space Marines would hate or at least be extremely wary of underwater combat -

If their armour gets compromised, their biology won't help in any way and they'll just drown or be crushed (if they're fighting deep enough). Being superhuman wouldn't actually help THAT much down there, they'd be mostly relying on the armour.

Wat

Space Marines can survive underwater just fine, and aren't threatened by the pressures of deep oceans. They can "breathe" water with their third lung and the pressure won't kill them. More discomforting coupled with pain. Death would only result when you're getting to Mariana level of deep.

Then I need to reacquaint myself with Space Marine physiology. Thank you and I retract my comment

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:
Actually, even though they're capable of it, I believe Space Marines would hate or at least be extremely wary of underwater combat -

If their armour gets compromised, their biology won't help in any way and they'll just drown or be crushed (if they're fighting deep enough). Being superhuman wouldn't actually help THAT much down there, they'd be mostly relying on the armour.

Wat

Space Marines can survive underwater just fine, and aren't threatened by the pressures of deep oceans. They can "breathe" water with their third lung and the pressure won't kill them. More discomforting coupled with pain. Death would only result when you're getting to Mariana level of deep.

Then I need to reacquaint myself with Space Marine physiology. Thank you and I retract my comment

The Multi Lung has been part of the fluff for a very long time now, and Talon of Horus makes it clear that Astartes can survive high pressure environments even with broken bones and compromised armor. Probably due to the reinforced somewhat ceramic like bones and the reinforced ribcage.

Space Marines are pretty much engieered to fight, let alone survive, in extreme enviroments

They (and Orks) can both fight in the void of space without a EVA suit. The Marine can hold his breath for a really long time (and that third lung keeps cycling oxygen out of the CO2 building up in his bloodstream) while Orks just pinch their noses shut.

 Psienesis wrote:
They (and Orks) can both fight in the void of space without a EVA suit. The Marine can hold his breath for a really long time (and that third lung keeps cycling oxygen out of the CO2 building up in his bloodstream) while Orks just pinch their noses shut.

That is just hilarious. Especially because after a couple of minutes, the Orks would just keel over and die.

According to IA2 land raiders are hermetically sealed and can function in nearly any environment.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They (and Orks) can both fight in the void of space without a EVA suit. The Marine can hold his breath for a really long time (and that third lung keeps cycling oxygen out of the CO2 building up in his bloodstream) while Orks just pinch their noses shut.

That is just hilarious. Especially because after a couple of minutes, the Orks would just keel over and die.

I always envisioned that this tied into the Ork theory of 'Believing it works'.

The old story was that an Orks weapon was studied and found to be incapable of working in human/mechanicum hands, however once given to the Ork it worked perfectly fine, it was theorised that simply because he believed it would work, it worked. I'm not sure if this has be retconned or doesn't apply any more though.

I always thought of an Ork Mek giving them some kind of snorkel type device and telling them it'd let them survive to fight underwater, they'd believe it, and it'd work with hilarious beach-time fun as a delightful side product.

Evidence of collective ork belief affecting reality is all over the place.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Evidence of collective ork belief affecting reality is all over the place.

I haven't seen anything that support it's actually true, there are plenty of things that don't fit in with it. It seems like something that's been suggested in a few places and people have just assumed it's true because of that.

 Psienesis wrote:
while Orks just pinch their noses shut.

It mentions in the Only War books that Orks and Gretchin working on some scrap station make use of cobbled together void suits. One can only imagine what those would look like.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Evidence of collective ork belief affecting reality is all over the place.

I haven't seen anything that support it's actually true, there are plenty of things that don't fit in with it. It seems like something that's been suggested in a few places and people have just assumed it's true because of that.

Red things go faster.
It is even in the rulebook.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Evidence of collective ork belief affecting reality is all over the place.

I haven't seen anything that support it's actually true, there are plenty of things that don't fit in with it. It seems like something that's been suggested in a few places and people have just assumed it's true because of that.

Red things go faster.
It is even in the rulebook.

It's also in Rogue Trader. (Too 'Ard Ta Care, Make It Work...)

And the Ork codex.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Evidence of collective ork belief affecting reality is all over the place.

I haven't seen anything that support it's actually true, there are plenty of things that don't fit in with it. It seems like something that's been suggested in a few places and people have just assumed it's true because of that.

Red things go faster.
It is even in the rulebook.

It's also in Rogue Trader. (Too 'Ard Ta Care, Make It Work...)

And the Ork codex.

I once played a Rogue Trader game where virtually everyone was an Ork. The GM allowed all of us to roll for anything involving technology, where if we believed it would work, and we rolled something like a 3+, it would work perfectly fine. If it was a one it blew up.

Ork belief and technology is a bit more subtle than "it works if I believe". No ork familiar with weapons will believe that a rusty iron pipe is a gun or a rock is a grenade. But he might make a shoddy shoota not blow up in his hands because it looks dead 'ard an' killy. It might even hit something despite having no sights, a smooth-bore barrel and low-quality ammo. A really unstable stikkbomm (that even the IG would refuse to use on grounds of safety) will somehow not blow up in the ork's hand. Usually.

If Orkish belief was really as powerful as some people seem to think then they'd never lose a fight except against other Orks. They tend to think they're going to win at the start of a battle or war.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Evidence of collective ork belief affecting reality is all over the place.

Read the FFG Rogue Trader rules. Collective Ork belief can't make a stick fire bullets (to use the popular example), it can't even make an empty gun fire bullets. What it can do is change things subtly such that a gun that jams a lot in the hands of anyone else jams significantly less in the hands of an Ork.

So, basically, every Ork is a Psyker

 dusara217 wrote:
So, basically, every Ork is a Psyker

kind of, Ork Weirdboyz IIRC aren't described as nesscarily being psykers as normaly thought of, but rather channeling the collective power of the Waagh. come to think of it, one could make comparisons to orks and the 'nid hive mind