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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/02 22:29:17
Subject: Taking units from different supplements in one CAD
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hard to word the query in the title so I'll explain.
The combined arms detachment stipulates that all units taken in the detachment must have the same faction, not that they must come from the same codex (a notable difference, which is presumably to allow them to bring out new units in white dwarf).
So for an astra militarum army, can I bring, for example:
normal imperial guard army, but with an elysian drop troopers infantry platoon as one troops choice, and a death korps of kreig veterans squad with a hades breaching drill as another.
they are all from the same faction, as required by the combined arms detachment rules, and have their slots allocated in their respective books.
I can't see any reason that this doesn't work - obviously it's a bit rubbish for your opponent who may have trouble accepting it but it appears to be entirely legal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/02 22:33:28
Subject: Taking units from different supplements in one CAD
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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Can potentially cause lots of problems. Do the Elysian Drop Troopers platoon specifically say they're a Troops choice for an Astra Militarum army? Or are they a Troops choice for an Elysian army? This is a key distinction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/02 22:37:44
Subject: Taking units from different supplements in one CAD
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kriswall wrote:Can potentially cause lots of problems. Do the Elysian Drop Troopers platoon specifically say they're a Troops choice for an Astra Militarum army? Or are they a Troops choice for an Elysian army? This is a key distinction.
this is true, but there no longer are "Astra Militarum armies" or any "X" Armies, there are detachments, and the detachment explains how to fill it. that's where the issue lies, I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/02 22:42:49
Subject: Taking units from different supplements in one CAD
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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No, I understand that, but can you demonstrate that Elysian Drop Troops are Factions: Astra Militarum? I believe they might be Faction: Elysian Drop Troops with SOME specific units marked as optional for Astra Militarum armies. Automatically Appended Next Post: Keep in mind that Imperial Armour books are not Supplements in the same way that "Farsight Enclaves; A Tau Empire Supplement" is a Supplement, so the bit next to the allies chart saying Supplements share a Faction with their parent codex doesn't apply. After all, if Imperial Armour Volume 3 is a Supplement, both the Tau Empire units AND the Elysian Drop Troops units presented within would have to have the same faction... whatever the Parent Codex of the IA book is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/02 23:02:27
Subject: Taking units from different supplements in one CAD
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The closest I can get is from the 6th edition allies update for imperial armour lists, found Here.
the exact wording (replicated for the death korps as well) is:
Elysian Drop Troops Armies
When using the Allies Matrix (page 113,
Warhammer 40,000
rulebook),
Elysian Drop Troops armies are treated as Imperial Guard armies when
both selecting allies to fight alongside them and when using them as allies
for another force. The exception to this rule is that they may ally with
Imperial Guard armies as Battle Brothers.
As the allies chart now uses factions as opposed to armies, the implication (And I grant you it is just that, it's not gosbel truth) is that the wording in the update would carry the same changes to mean the same thing. so elysians have the faction "Astra Militarum".
it seems to make sense, as factions are different to armies.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/01/02 23:02:42
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/02 23:20:49
Subject: Taking units from different supplements in one CAD
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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some bloke wrote:The closest I can get is from the 6th edition allies update for imperial armour lists, found Here.
the exact wording (replicated for the death korps as well) is:
Elysian Drop Troops Armies
When using the Allies Matrix (page 113,
Warhammer 40,000
rulebook),
Elysian Drop Troops armies are treated as Imperial Guard armies when
both selecting allies to fight alongside them and when using them as allies
for another force. The exception to this rule is that they may ally with
Imperial Guard armies as Battle Brothers.
As the allies chart now uses factions as opposed to armies, the implication (And I grant you it is just that, it's not gosbel truth) is that the wording in the update would carry the same changes to mean the same thing. so elysians have the faction "Astra Militarum".
it seems to make sense, as factions are different to armies.
I would suggest talking to your opponents.
I would read it as Elysian Drop Troops Detachments are considered to be Faction: Elysian Drop Troops and ally as though they are Imperial Guard. While we'd need a proper FAQ to update this, I believe any reasonable person would translate this today as that they ally as though they are Astra Militarum. I would still expect people to build an Elysian Drop Troops Detachment using just the Elysian Drop Troops List. I don't see anything allowing you to select from multiple lists OR anything saying that the Drop Troops Platoon is a Troops choice for the Astra Militarum list.
Ultimately, I think this needs an FAQ. BUT... I don't have the updated book. There might be specific wording in there somewhere about taking things in an IG army list.
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