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So I went into GW on Friday and the prices were ridiculous. One model and two paints costing over £20? I think that GW could lower prices by 20% and actually get a better profit. A battlesuit commander (tau empire) costs £25. Doesn't anyone agree that this could be dropped to £20 and still be considered overpriced? What really pisses me off though is that a model half the size and made of the same materials is just £9.50? I'm tempted to abandon GW and head to the outpost, a store across the street that sells the same models for £15. A much cheaper solution to GW. I recommend you all visit there sight, they do other games such as dystopian wars and dropzone commander too.

I use Outpost for all my orders too so I agree with that recommendation. In terms of prices, it is what it is. Not much we can do about it.

Ah but at outpost you have to pay yearly to get discount to use tables and on top of the 100 gbp membership cost
to start saving you have to pay 500 gbp to get a 20% discount stupid to do that.

Stop playing GW games, and magically you stop caring about the prices too.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Ah but at outpost you have to pay yearly to get discount to use tables and on top of the 100 gbp membership cost
to start saving you have to pay 500 gbp to get a 20% discount stupid to do that.

On the online store everything is just 20% off.

Oh right I didn't know I've only been in the shop and the "deals" and got a very hostile atmosphere in there.
Also my other local independent stockist offers 25% percent off some times depends on economy.

I think GW could get away with charging more for their kits. They are a company that sells such models to collectors, that their kits are also brought by penny pinching game players is happy coincidence.














I think it's obvious I'm not being serious.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Ah but at outpost you have to pay yearly to get discount to use tables and on top of the 100 gbp membership cost
to start saving you have to pay 500 gbp to get a 20% discount stupid to do that.

Yes, but I don't use their tables. I go to a local gaming club which costs just £2 a month. For twice a week.

I saw on the Blood Angels thread that a single plastic marine character is now £18. That's ludicrous for a plastic 28mm figure, it's just a single small sprue. While moulds are expensive, it's just a very small section of a large mould and individual figures cost almost nothing to cast. Plastic doesn't offer anywhere near the quality of metal or resin. And I thought Knight Models charged a lot for their Batman figures at about £13 a pop. It's no wonder GW are selling less stuff, many of their prices are beyond sense, what are you paying for other than the brand name? Which is what GW think they can rely on now, as they see themselves as being like Apple.

Cut prices 40%.
Do market research.
Advertise.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I saw on the Blood Angels thread that a single plastic marine character is now £18. That's ludicrous for a plastic 28mm figure, it's just a single small sprue. While moulds are expensive, it's just a very small section of a large mould and individual figures cost almost nothing to cast. Plastic doesn't offer anywhere near the quality of metal or resin. And I thought Knight Models charged a lot for their Batman figures at about £13 a pop. It's no wonder GW are selling less stuff, many of their prices are beyond sense, what are you paying for other than the brand name? Which is what GW think they can rely on now, as they see themselves as being like Apple.

£18 plastic Space Marines aren't new, the Librarian and Captain that came out with C:SM were £18 too. It is ridiculous though.

 ImAGeek wrote:
On the online store everything is just 20% off.

Except, just like all the other so-called "discount" online wargaming stockists, their stuff comes with an additional VAT cost. So, that ~£12 box of Skeleton Warriors looks pretty good vs GW ~£15 box, right? Well, you actually pay ~£14. Your discount is £1.03, less than 10%. This is the same with Wayland and all the other sites advertising "20-25%" off.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Plastic doesn't offer anywhere near the quality of metal or resin.

No, but it makes those shady recasters' job a lot more difficult... which I'm sure you'll agree is the most pressing concern.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
On the online store everything is just 20% off.

Except, just like all the other so-called "discount" online wargaming stockists, their stuff comes with an additional VAT cost. So, that ~£12 box of Skeleton Warriors looks pretty good vs GW ~£15 box, right? Well, you actually pay ~£14. Your discount is £1.03, less than 10%. This is the same with Wayland and all the other sites advertising "20-25%" off.

Erm, I've bought things off there for 20% off, no extra costs... You sure you weren't just paying for delivery..? (Delivery is only free over a certain amount).

Unless you mean the little VAT value they show? That's not added on to you order that's just showing how much the VAT is...

GW should sell their models for 40% of what they cost now. Not only their models should be cheaper but also their books that are now printed in China.

 Chute82 wrote:
GW should sell their models for 40% of what they cost now. Not only their models should be cheaper but also their books that are now printed in China.

It's easy to say "40% of what they charge now" but I think 60% off is asking a ridiculous amount. That would be cheaper than when I started 10 years ago. And I would happily pay for the books, if they were actually well written. The issue is more of value than price I think.

Hmm, déjà vu..


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/607437.page

What should GW sell their models for?

Scrap.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
I think it's obvious I'm not being serious.

On any forum other than a GW fansite, maybe.

Token attempt at on-topic discussion: If wee historical sellers like the Perrys, Warlord etc. can invest in outsourced plastic moulding and still sell the results for about 50p a figure, I wouldn't be sorry if GW decided to do the same with their in-house stuff. GW minis are slightly bigger and more... bitty, resulting in fewer figures per sprue, but I hope no armchair economists are offended by my thoughts that the volume sales allowed by their ubiquity (so far), frenzied fan base (while it lasts), and infrastructure (those bridges that are yet unburnt) outweigh that consideration. All the same, I'd be willing to give the benefit of the doubt and perhaps go as high as £1 per plastic infantry figure. Unfortunately only a handful of the lowliest horde grunts in WFB still match that, IIRC.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Hmm, déjà vu..


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/607437.page

You know what you are.......


Otiose...


In a niche.

Yeah, I get that a lot.

To be fair to GW. Their prices arent a problem for me, its the written product and laughable business decisions they make that puts me off them atm.

Deliver on the promise of making the best minis in the world and give a crap about your written content and you could almost justify the current pricing. Added value and all that.

 Riquende wrote:
No, but it makes those shady recasters' job a lot more difficult...

Does it? My guy has them for $5 a pop.

 Riquende wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Plastic doesn't offer anywhere near the quality of metal or resin.

No, but it makes those shady recasters' job a lot more difficult... which I'm sure you'll agree is the most pressing concern.

Let me tell you...it doesn't

I think me and this guy were thinking the exact same thing: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8


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Has anyone being a victim of GW's great idea of getting the shop managers to hunt the customer down as soon as they walk through the door?

Da Stormlord wrote:
I think me and this guy were thinking the exact same thing: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8


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Has anyone being a victim of GW's great idea of getting the shop managers to hunt the customer down as soon as they walk through the door?

That I do hate. Especially with my (fairly mild and improving with therapy) social anxiety, I'd really rather they left me alone. I avoid GW stores now, and that's the main reason more than the price, to be honest.

I hate it too, mate. Its not that serious, but I do have anxiety disorders and I try to avoid public places when I don't feel too good. When I feel ok I don't really care, but when I have a bad day I stay in and play on the xbox.

Da Stormlord wrote:

Has anyone being a victim of GW's great idea of getting the shop managers to hunt the customer down as soon as they walk through the door?

You mean customer service? That's far from something only GW does. Most retail chains actually instruct you to go out of your way to approach and greet customers as they walk in.

There's a world of difference between catching the customer's eye and exchanging a greeting (simultaneously breaking the ice, communication wise, and letting them know you know they're there - useful from a security point of view and also encourages them to hang around if you're busy, rather than them feeling ignored and walk out) and jumping on them the moment they walk through the door.

Not doing the former or doing the latter would get you a bollocking from me if you were on any sales team I managed.

In Australia they could easily lose 30% and still be more expensive than their competition.

But they don't just need to drop their prices, they also need to make a game worth playing. At the moment, they're not doing that.

 -Loki- wrote:
In Australia they could easily lose 30% and still be more expensive than their competition.

But they don't just need to drop their prices, they also need to make a game worth playing. At the moment, they're not doing that.

Or make the models worth collecting. They really just can't stand up to the 52 and 75mm resin sculpts you can by for the same price or cheaper. GW have this idea that they are selling to collectors but compared to the collector's market they really are no better than toys in many cases.