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Its because of pessimism like this that #bringbackourgirls and #konynow2012 didn't work.
If only a few people had helped keep those hashtags trending, the pressure on the terrorist groups would have led to them returning Nigeria's girls and turning themselves in to face justice.
Shame on you. You could have made a difference with just a few keystrokes, and you couldn't be bothered to do it. Shame, sir.
Um. No.
It's because hashtag campaigns are fething useless.
I wasn't serious, I should've added the disclaimer.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Obviously and primarily, it's terrible because people got killed.
It's terrible because it's going to worsen relations and harden sentiment.
It's terrible because it plays into the hands of France's xenophobic right wing, who were on the upswing anyway.
Its because of pessimism like this that #bringbackourgirls and #konynow2012 didn't work.
If only a few people had helped keep those hashtags trending, the pressure on the terrorist groups would have led to them returning Nigeria's girls and turning themselves in to face justice.
Shame on you. You could have made a difference with just a few keystrokes, and you couldn't be bothered to do it. Shame, sir.
Um. No.
It's because hashtag campaigns are fething useless.
I wasn't serious, I should've added the disclaimer.
No, no. I got it after I read it the second time. We've got too many people that would actually post that legitimately that it didn't give me pause to think it was for real
So, since it's been over 5 hours and they haven't been apprehended yet, these guys can be almost anywhere in Western Europe, hell, with that time table they could be driving past where I live right about now. Fun.
Hope they get caught alive and they wring every scrap of information out of these degenerates. At this point I would not give two gaks about their treatment in captivity. But like others said, I very much doubt these guys will be caught alive and I wouldn't be surprised if they go out with an actual bang if cornered.
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Da Boss wrote: What a terrible day for some many reasons.
Obviously and primarily, it's terrible because people got killed.
It's terrible because it's going to worsen relations and harden sentiment.
It's terrible because it plays into the hands of France's xenophobic right wing, who were on the upswing anyway.
Sigvatr wrote: That's how you take care of a garden. You exterminate the weeds to improve the garden as a whole.
Do you think of human beings as plants in a garden, where you just keep the pretty one and destroy the other, and cut them to make them look exactly how you want them?
Sigvatr wrote: But agree with the compromise. Get them alive if possible, interrogate them, then sent them to prison, then let them suffer an inhuman death.
But we do not have the death penalty in France anyway.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, no, I do not believe in Le Pen becoming president.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Sigvatr wrote: That's how you take care of a garden. You exterminate the weeds to improve the garden as a whole.
Do you think of human beings as plants in a garden, where you just keep the pretty one and destroy the other, and cut them to make them look exactly how you want them?
If those weeds are killing the plants...absolutely.
Sigvatr wrote: But agree with the compromise. Get them alive if possible, interrogate them, then sent them to prison, then let them suffer an inhuman death.
But we do not have the death penalty in France anyway.
Tell that to the French prison population.
Who knows...maybe when caught, these killers will be cell mates with French Ultra Nationalists...
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2015/01/07 17:48:29
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Disgusting attack from the religion that fails to accept criticism or understand freedom of speech.
I hope the publication can continue to go on after this devastating blow to their staff. It would be even worse if it couldn't as they will have won essentially.
Le Pen for President. (Haven't polls shown she was in the lead already?)
PEGIDA support will rise.
Lurch to the right for Europe.
Seeing them wandering about the streets makes me wish we had an American style attitude to guns.
It's all well and good saying we don't need them until we need them.
The ease in which this was carried out is just mind boggling. I bet there was very little online communication done and it was all done face to face. These people are almost impossible to keep track off as they are in tight night circles.
The gunmen in Paris attacked more than a Muslim-baiting magazine
François Hollande, France's president, called it “an act of exceptional barbarity . . . against freedom of expression”.
But the murder on Wednesday of 12 people at the Paris offices of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical magazine, will not surprise anyone familiar with the rising tensions among France's 5m or more Muslim citizens and the poisonous legacy of French colonialism in north Africa.
It must be stressed that, for the moment, the perpetrators are unidentified. No one can at this moment be certain that the murders are connected to the firebombing of Charlie Hebdo's offices in 2011, an attack that followed the magazine's publication of an image of the Prophet Mohammed, its “guest editor”, on its cover.
Two years ago it published a 65-page strip cartoon book portraying the Prophet's life. And this week it gave special coverage to Soumission (“Submission”), a new novel by Michel Houellebecq, the idiosyncratic author, which depicts France in the grip of an Islamic regime led by a Muslim president.
In other words, Charlie Hebdo has a long record of mocking, baiting and needling French Muslims. If the magazine stops just short of outright insults, it is nevertheless not the most convincing champion of the principle of freedom of speech. France is the land of Voltaire, but too often editorial foolishness has prevailed at Charlie Hebdo.
This is not in the slightest to condone the murderers, who must be caught and punished, or to suggest that freedom of expression should not extend to satirical portrayals of religion. It is merely to say that some common sense would be useful at publications such as Charlie Hebdo, and Denmark's Jyllands-Posten, which purport to strike a blow for freedom when they provoke Muslims, but are actually just being stupid.
In France the next question is what impact Wednesday's murders will have on the political climate, and in particular the fortunes of Marine Le Pen and her far-right National Front. Anti-Islamism forms part of the electoral appeal of a party that topped the polls in May in France's European Parliament elections. Ms Le Pen once compared Muslims praying in the streets to the 1940-44 Nazi occupation of France.
The English author Andrew Hussey, who lives in Paris, published a book last year called The French Intifada , in which he described France as “the world capital of liberty, equality and fraternity . . . under attack from the angry and dispossessed heirs to the French colonial project”. The murders in Paris throw down a challenge to French politicians and citizens to stand up for the republic's core values and defeat political violence without succumbing to the siren songs of the far right.
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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But we do not have the death penalty in France anyway.
I wasn't talking about the government. It's always better to let the government do their thing while others take care of the problem. Get all the info you get from them. At this point, they have outlived their usefulness. They have already given up their rights, so do the best you can do with them and then...handle things.
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That is not how it works in a garden. At least a French garden. You kill all the plants you do not want there, and you cute the one you wants to make them how you want them to look.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Who knows...maybe when caught, these killers will be cell mates with French Ultra Nationalists...
I do not think so, but I can translate some for you. By the way, they treat religions in general with even less respect I do, so…
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
But we do not have the death penalty in France anyway.
I wasn't talking about the government. It's always better to let the government do their thing while others take care of the problem. Get all the info you get from them. At this point, they have outlived their usefulness. They have already given up their rights, so do the best you can do with them and then...handle things.
I'm sure theres at least a few patriots in the French prison population...
What does it have to do with patriotism? And Charlie Hebdo mocks nationalism a LOT, and they are hated by the far right, so…
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
That is not how it works in a garden. At least a French garden. You kill all the plants you do not want there, and you cute the one you wants to make them how you want them to look.
Probably not a good idea to piss of the gardener then. Or whatever. This analogy is getting weird.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Who knows...maybe when caught, these killers will be cell mates with French Ultra Nationalists...
Not if the prison staff has a hint of sense.
Maybe they'll all have simultaneous "lapses in judgement"...
What does it have to do with patriotism? And Charlie Hebdo mocks nationalism a LOT, and they are hated by the far right, so…
Everything. This could easily be interpreted as an attack on French society and values (e.g. freedom of speech). "Insult Islam and face the consequences!" The people who are most likely to take matters into their own hands and lynch them would probably be far right wing nationalists, especially the ones that are already violent and serving prison sentences. And I'm sure they'll overlook the fact that Charlie Hebdo is a left wing critic of nationalism.
Surely we can agree on this at least?
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2015/01/07 18:12:17
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Seeing them wandering about the streets makes me wish we had an American style attitude to guns.
It's all well and good saying we don't need them until we need them.
They killed two armed cops in the process, I don't think that armed civilians would have had any effect other than adding themselves to the body count.
Da Boss wrote: What a terrible day for some many reasons.
Obviously and primarily, it's terrible because people got killed.
It's terrible because it's going to worsen relations and harden sentiment.
It's terrible because it plays into the hands of France's xenophobic right wing, who were on the upswing anyway.
Le Pen for president?
This seems, unfortunately, very likely now.
Seeing that stuff like this (and many more problems with immigrants) happens in France, maybe that wouldn't be so bad?
I know she would get my vote after this if I were French and could vote.
This whole attack is too sad for words. Those islamists are disgusting. We should be glad something like Beslan or Nord-Ost has not yet happened in the West.
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2015/01/07 18:17:19
Subject: Re:Shooting at Satirical magazine in France
Seeing them wandering about the streets makes me wish we had an American style attitude to guns.
It's all well and good saying we don't need them until we need them.
They killed two armed cops in the process, I don't think that armed civilians would have had any effect other than adding themselves to the body count.
The cops were unarmed.
I won't speak for everyone, but I can honestly state if I was in the middle of this type of event, I would 100% want to be armed if for no other reason than to have a chance to defend myself/others I was with.
Maybe an armed person would have made 0 difference, maybe an armed person could have helped save a life or two. We don't know. I will go out on a limb and guess if/when these guys are caught, it won't be by unarmed people.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
If the deleted posts were off-topic then I guess my "stay on-topic" message was in support of these deletions.
They were not, as explained.
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djones520 wrote: I've read that the gunmen spoke "perfect french" with no accent, strongly indicating that they were home grown.
Not necessarily.
Aren't there a few african countries which speak french? They could be from there.
Not my personal guess, but its possible.
Alternately, they could be some french citizens who went off to join ISIS and came back after getting some experience.
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What they did was terrible, they should not be allowed to do it again, they should not get away without consequences, but what good would their death bring?
Do you mean in a “we completely despise the concept of état de droit (which apparently translate into English as “Rechtsstaat”. What the hell?) and will go all vigilante even though we swore an oath of office to the state?” fashion?
I am sure they will find a way to push your buttons .
Also, many of their drawings will be borderline here and might get me a ban.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: This could easily be interpreted as an attack on French society and values (e.g. freedom of speech).
You have no idea how many French people tried to silence Charlie Hebdo. They did so by attacking them through the judicial system, of course, so this was perfectly legal and moral. But still.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The people who are most likely to take matters into their own hands and lynch them would probably be far right wing nationalists, especially the ones that are already violent and serving prison sentences. And I'm sure they'll overlook the fact that Charlie Hebdo is a left wing critic of nationalism.
Actually, those people would likely clash with Muslims irregardless of Charlie Hebdo. They certainly would not care for a second about “defending Charlie Hebdo right to free speech”, since they do believe that Charlie Hebdo should be closed by force.
I guess what you would actually like is for the prison staff to put them in the same cell as Charles Bronson.
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https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
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