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Ah, maybe it's futile, but I'm just not convinced that crude humour is as effective as clever satire. I'm not saying that people should always do one or the other, they can do what they please - I'm was just trying to point out that being more intelligent about it than having an image of a naked Mohammed may have more of an effect of solidifying opinions against them at home.

EDIT: I do concede that regardless of the type of satire these terrorists are always going to be offended and attack, but I hope that if we use clever satire, we can inspire more people to defy them, rather than a more distasteful crude satire which carries no real point other than to shock.

Nevermind me then, perhaps I'm thinking too much about things...

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 Warpig1815 wrote:
Ah, maybe it's futile, but I'm just not convinced that crude humour is as effective as clever satire. I'm not saying that people should always do one or the other, they can do what they please - I'm was just trying to point out that being more intelligent about it than having an image of a naked Mohammed may have more of an effect of solidifying opinions against them at home.


In an ideal world, certainly. Spoilered satire from Private Eye a few years back, the sort of thing PE will run because they know Christians are religiliously mature enough to not kill over this stuff -

Spoiler:


Proof that Jesus WAS married

1 - Good at DIY
2 - bad as judging how many loaves and fishes were needed without 2 goes at it
3 - out with his mates whenever possible
4 - didn't smile much

NOT intended to offend, from a Methodist background myself and have the greatest respect for any of the thousands of religions that say 'we interpret and worship in different ways, but whoever He is, we won't kill each other over it'.



If Charlie Hebdo had written that, aimed at another certain prophet, those 12 people would be just as dead, and our horror should be just the same.

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 Darkjim wrote:
Warpig - sharper, more precisely aimed satire might seem less provocative to you or me, but to the perpetrators of this atrocity it would have made no difference whatsoever. These two guys may well have never seen the cartoons, the nature of the cartoons isn't the issue for them, it's the fact they exist at all that they are willing to commit mass-murder over.


Bingo.

The "Don't offend the ignorant animals, use satire they can't understand" argument he presented is silly. The fact is there are enough muslim leaders who are more than smart and educated enough to understand "clever satire", and the masses being instigated to riot and/or attack often never see the objects of offense, and even if/when they do their understanding or lack of understanding makes no difference, they are told it is offensive and guided to act appropriately. And in cases like this particular attack, the target was chosen to make a point, and the cleverness or lack there of any specific cartoon was completely irrelevant to the cell committing the attack.

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Northumberland

Alright, I concede, I was just putting my opinion out there and hoping for a discussion. So (In a non-sarcastic manner) thanks for that. At least it gives me alternatives to think about.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30721677

Suspects rob service station.

The two main suspects in the Islamist attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris are said to have robbed a service station in the north of France.

They stole food and petrol, firing shots as they struck at the roadside stop near Villers-Cotterets in the Aisne region, French media report.

   
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Heading back to Paris I'm hearing (gas station robbery) why do I get the feeling its a ruse. As in it was another two guys.

I think the Kebab IED near a Mosque might be an attempt as a "payback"

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Has anyone heard anything more about the exploding car at the Synagogue?

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Nope.

Looks like Raid (elite police french force) and GIGN are deployed in the last zone where the two suspects were reported, in the north of the France.

No more laughing.

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Oy vey!

Thankfully it's just a mechanical failure according to the one site I can find. Probably why it's not getting much traction.

   
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Curtains for Al Qaida !

language/NWS.. ish warning ahoy.


.. Secret of comedy is etc etc

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 reds8n wrote:


Curtains for Al Qaida !

language/NWS.. ish warning ahoy.


.. Secret of comedy is etc etc


Not bad not bad......at times they do indeed look to be wearing curtains. WHich sucks being they can somewhat conceal a AK in them. A RPG give away is the one wearing curtain walking with a stiff leg

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"A thousand curses on your tie-backs!"

Knew what it was before I clicked, one of my favourites

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That's from the new issue, out today...




Though not in the same class as Doctor Poo.



.. What's really weird is posting the above reminded me of a conversation about that very strip had t'other day and have spent a few minutes finding it online.


at times they do indeed look to be wearing curtains.


Might be a Uk expression but if you describe something as being " Curtains for...." it means The end of/for etc etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/curtains+for,+be.

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Suspects seem to be tracked between Villers-Cotterêt and Crépy-en-Valois. Huge deployment of elite police forces. Three helicopters on the zone.

Looks like they left their car. Some news say they may be hiding in a house.

Meanwhile, some politicians already take the events for their own purposes....of course.

Explosions reported elsewhere look like acts of revenge. Nothing about a synagogue, though.

Still more blood and corpses to expect, I'm afraid...those guys must surely know they will die. Can still take as many people as they can with them. They are not some black kids playing with fake guns...they are clearly trained as fighters and know what they are doing.

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 Sarouan wrote:
Suspects seem to be tracked between Villers-Cotterêt and Crépy-en-Valois. Huge deployment of elite police forces. Three helicopters on the zone.


What kind of distances are you talking? Does that mean they've caught them within a mile perimeter, 10 miles, 500 yards?

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Its a 20 by 15km zone, so about 13 by 10 mile zone. According to Le Figaro: http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/07/01016-20150107LIVWWW00152-en-direct-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php
Contradicting some sources that indicate that they know in which house they are.

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thanks

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Yup, sorry for that.

They're actively searching for the two. Media are beginning to come en masse. Raid is taking care of the north of the zone, GIGN keeping an eye on the south.

http://www.linternaute.com/actualite/societe-france/crepy-en-valois-villers-cotterets-ou-se-trouvent-les-terroristes-presumes-0115.shtml

Jihadist flags and molotov cocktails found in the first car left behind after the attack on Charlie Hebdo on Wednesday in Paris. Some say they were prepared for other actions.

Since Belgium is on the North of France, our own police is keeping an eye on the events. Cooperation is there. Threat level in Belgium is 2 out of 4, higher on some specific areas not told for now.

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 Jihadin wrote:
Heading back to Paris I'm hearing (gas station robbery) why do I get the feeling its a ruse. As in it was another two guys.

I think the Kebab IED near a Mosque might be an attempt as a "payback"


Great, now I need to worry about my kebab exploding when I tuck in.

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 Sarouan wrote:
Since Belgium is on the North of France, our own police is keeping an eye on the events. Cooperation is there. Threat level in Belgium is 2 out of 4, higher on some specific areas not told for now.

It's my biggest worry that they'll go into Belgium, and then possibly the Netherlands or Germany. Although the police cooperation in the EU should be able to prevent that..

   
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It's not helpful, at least I don't believe it is, and I know it's cruel, but my first thought after seeing that officer killed was that we should find these people, bring them to their home neighborhoods, line these three along the street and blow out their lower spinal columns. I don't believe I've been as angry as that clip made me in one hell of a long time. If it's possible to foam at the mouth out of anger, I would have been.
   
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North of your position

They've been spotted to the north-east of Paris.

   
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What effect, if any, do you think this attack will have on the French with regards to:

1. More police choosing to carry sidearms.
2. Allowance of no-go ethnic zones.
3. Immigration law.
4. Desire by the general populace to be allowed to own/carry weapons.

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Filthy Sanchez wrote:
What effect, if any, do you think this attack will have on the French with regards to:

1. More police choosing to carry sidearms.
2. Allowance of no-go ethnic zones.
3. Immigration law.
4. Desire by the general populace to be allowed to own/carry weapons.


There will undoubtedly be changes. I hope #1 in the list becomes one of them. I read about another police officer being shot since yesterday, unsure if it is related, but that image of the police officer being murdered, completely unable to defend himself, is going to be very powerful...

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 djones520 wrote:
Filthy Sanchez wrote:
What effect, if any, do you think this attack will have on the French with regards to:

1. More police choosing to carry sidearms.
2. Allowance of no-go ethnic zones.
3. Immigration law.
4. Desire by the general populace to be allowed to own/carry weapons.


There will undoubtedly be changes. I hope #1 in the list becomes one of them. I read about another police officer being shot since yesterday, unsure if it is related, but that image of the police officer being murdered, completely unable to defend himself, is going to be very powerful...

At least one of the police officers shot was armed.

   
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interesting:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-classmates-protest-innocence-of-suspect-hamyd-mourad-18-with-school-alibi-9965581.html

This supports the theory that the named suspect was only assumed to possibly be the third gunman because he was closely related to the other two, and turned himself in because he is not responsible.
No problems with the police coming to the conclusions they did, as it was evidently handled in a manner that allowed the suspect to clear his own name safely.

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Filthy Sanchez wrote:
What effect, if any, do you think this attack will have on the French with regards to:

1. More police choosing to carry sidearms.

This should be a priority, had more armed police been able to respond it could have reduced the lives lost, or at the very least prevented the perpetrators from escaping so easily

Filthy Sanchez wrote:
2. Allowance of no-go ethnic zones.

Will not happen by law, both domestically and European law

Filthy Sanchez wrote:
3. Immigration law.

Doubtful. The attackers spoke unaccented French per the reports, so they appear to be native. Cracking down on immigrants would send the wrong message. Also due to being part of the EU France cannot make a law that affects the free movement of workers within the EU

Filthy Sanchez wrote:
4. Desire by the general populace to be allowed to own/carry weapons.

European culture has been moving away from firearms for a very long time, so it is doubtful.

 
   
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Filthy Sanchez wrote:
What effect, if any, do you think this attack will have on the French with regards to:

1. More police choosing to carry sidearms.
2. Allowance of no-go ethnic zones.
3. Immigration law.
4. Desire by the general populace to be allowed to own/carry weapons.

I think I can answer to 4. None whatsoever.

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Filthy Sanchez wrote:
2. Allowance of no-go ethnic zones.

Will not happen by law, both domestically and European law


I thiiiink he meant that there are areas where the police won't go into, and that this may change that behavior.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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