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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Apparently not if you regard the removal of intimidating gold furniture from the popes chamber in the vatican and the cessation of protecting paedophiles and actively highlighting them as a problem and calling them a cancer in the church, not to mention calling for greater tolerance for homosexuality and transgender peoples.

That is all pretty big steps away from previous policy.

Good steps there, allthough we are now in 2015. This happened decades ago in other contries than the theocratic dictatorship vatican.

Really? In my opinion that makes me a hell of alot better than any extremist. Everyday I see the world filled with religious crazyness, killing, torture, injustice. Extreme blasphemy helps me cope with that.

Clarify because we might not be grasping what you actually want to say.
As in IE
-Strict follower of the Religion in question?
-Strict follower of the Religion and pressed for others to follow the same Religion?
-Strict Follower of the Religion but with a militant bent towards non believers?

Those are some examples and by no means I am restricting your lane

Helps me cope with what I mentioned. Please rephrase question as I didn't quite get it.

Baxx wrote:
Helps me cope with what I mentioned. Please rephrase question as I didn't quite get it.

I am going to hazard a guess you are extremely religious but not have violent tendencies towards others

Baxx wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

The voices in your head may say you typed that. What you actually typed was this:

There is no dignity left for those religions and for decades if not centuries there's been an ever increasing blast of blasphemous fire against religions and their founders.

Again, bigot much?

Not on behalf of all the people chained, tortured and killed throughout history by these institutions. There is no demanding to be immune to ridicule anymore. Not after all that killing.

Again, you have issues. Painting an entire group of people because of your frankly up perception is no different than any other bigot or racist.

 Jihadin wrote:

Baxx wrote:
Helps me cope with what I mentioned. Please rephrase question as I didn't quite get it.

I am going to hazard a guess you are extremely religious but not have violent tendencies towards others

Imagine you live in a country ruled by some insane dicator. Everyday people are killed, tortured, imprisoned for speaking their mind, being different, being critical or having different opinions.

So maybe you get your hands on some illegal caricatures, some satire, some extremely insulting humour aimed toward this dictator and the regime.

Would this material offend you? Or make you ever so slightly at ease? Make you smile in a dark existence. Maybe give you a laugh, which there have been no other reasons for.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Again, you have issues. Painting an entire group of people because of your frankly up perception is no different than any other bigot or racist.

Where did I paint a group of people?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
In this instance, I'd say the paper's printing of such articles was stupid and in low taste-13 year old virgin type humor.

Okay, please tell me you are not opposing the 13 years old virgins that have bad sense of humor to the 13-years-old that already had sex and therefore have better sense of humor. That would be extremely creepy. In fact, I would say I find even the expression “13-years-old virgins” creepy by itself.

Sorry that was lost in translation a bit. What?


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Again, you have issues. Painting an entire group of people because of your frankly up perception is no different than any other bigot or racist.

Where did I paint a group of people?

Pretty much been all over the Middle East Baxx so seen moderate to extreme. Going to back out now in dealing with you because I am unsure of your Religion

Clue to why is the first line on my tag below

I guess there's a bit of a culture shock here.

I obviously come from a different background. I come from a society where blasphemy is deeply rooted in the culture, in poetry, in art, in music. Something that inspires, a source to creativity.

Something that can be enjoyed alone or in company with others.

I come from a society so filled with blasphemy, satire and critics that any religious zealot or offended politician have stopped caring long ago. To be insulted by art is out of date where I come from. It is embarrassing. Religious bigots and politicians, anyone with power, no longer cares. Or they don't show that they care.

Blasphemy has removed so much extremism, how anyone can say it doesn't work is beyond me. Earlier people burned records, warned about children being cursed and doomed, bands were taken into court for their music. No longer does this happen. Never again.

This thread went to a weird place...

Baxx wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Kim Yong Un is not a religion. Mocking demagogic religious leader and mocking religious extremists is important. But mock the people themselves, not their religion.

I am more in favour of mocking religions than mocking religious people.

Again, why?
Mocking religion in general, instead of just the extremists and their actions will accomplish nothing but antagonising the non-extremist believers.

Baxx wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Their religions never shed any blood, those people did.

By specific instructions from scripture. Beliefs have consequences. Different ideologies give different actions.

There is no religion with scripture containing specific instructions to kill others (apart from Germanic paganism maybe, there it is actually a requirement to get into heaven ). Most religions (at least the Abrahamic ones) specifically state that killing another person is one of, if not the greatest possible sin, and that the decision of life and death falls to God alone.

Baxx wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

I know of no artistic genres founded in blasphemy. Blasphemy is something that is illegal in most of the world, even in the West. Why you would want to have a community around insulting others is beyond me. Are you sure you are feeling allright?

I'm not sure if we speak about the same thing, you mention insulting others. I'm talking about insulting power regimes, bloody ideologies and dogmatic religions.

Blasphemy is illegal? You know how crazy that is? It opens up just an absurd worm-whole of crazyness. If blasphemy is forbidden, everything is.

Ok so you have never heard about Black Metal? It's been around since the early 80's. Today it is a flourishing genre with bands from all over the world playing all over the world. One of the key ingredients in much of extreme metal is the search for the absolute blasphemy. Even much of the early thrash metal was very much about blasphemy.

Yes, we are talking about the same thing.
You should not insult ideologies or religions, because most ideologies or religions an sich, are not bloody or dogmatic at all. It is the extremists that are bloody and dogmatic, not the religion. Insult the extremists, not the religion.

Baxx wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Baxx wrote:
And personally, it helps to vent a lot of anger that builds up after watching what kind of idiocy happening all over the world because of deranged religious scripture.

That makes you no better than the extremists.

Really? In my opinion that makes me a hell of alot better than any extremist. Everyday I see the world filled with religious crazyness, killing, torture, injustice. Extreme blasphemy helps me cope with that.

Everyday, the extremist sees exactly the same, but caused by the infidels and blasphemers. Raging against them helps him cope with that.
Blasphemy only reinforces extremism on both sides. It drives people toward extremism and away from each other. Extremism can only be fought by taking away ignorance and creating mutual understanding.

 Frazzled wrote:

Every post you've made. You're making broad strokes about every religion. That lacks clarity of thinking.

But now you're saying something completely different. First you said I was bigot and racist because I painted groups of people.

When I asked where, you now say everywhere, but no longer did I paint groups of people, now I paint religion?

I tried specifically to not paint groups of people. So I can certainly agree I said things about religion.

Religion IS people.

Baxx wrote:
I guess there's a bit of a culture shock here.

I obviously come from a different background. I come from a society where ... is deeply rooted in the culture

Ah... That isexactly the same thing that I always say when trying to explain why beating up homosexuals is considered perfectly okay in Russia
On the contrary, blasphemy gets you sent on a free, state-sponsored holiday to the beautiful untouched nature reserves of Siberia, where you can work out in the fresh air to lose all that excessive weight.
As you can see, we Russians are a very tolerant, friendly people.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Again, why?
Mocking religion in general, instead of just the extremists and their actions will accomplish nothing but antagonising the non-extremist believers.

So instead of mocking the north korean regime and politics in general, I should mock only the north korean extremists? I think you missed the point here.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

There is no religion with scripture containing specific instructions to kill others (apart from Germanic paganism maybe, there it is actually a requirement to get into heaven ). Most religions (at least the Abrahamic ones) specifically state that killing another person is one of, if not the greatest possible sin, and that the decision of life and death falls to God alone.

To the contrary. Most religions, specially the middle eastern monotheistic ones preach in abundance to kill people. And also alot of other lethal doctrines.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Yes, we are talking about the same thing.
You should not insult ideologies or religions, because most ideologies or religions an sich, are not bloody or dogmatic at all. It is the extremists that are bloody and dogmatic, not the religion. Insult the extremists, not the religion.

Again I think you are mistaken. The religions are extremists and certainly I will insult them. Insulting religion is so important to make people understand their particular religion is not so holy that other people can't joke about it. To not insult religions easily leads people to think their religon is so holy it can't be mocked.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Everyday, the extremist sees exactly the same, but caused by the infidels and blasphemers. Raging against them helps him cope with that.
Blasphemy only reinforces extremism on both sides. It drives people toward extremism and away from each other. Extremism can only be fought by taking away ignorance and creating mutual understanding.

No, the extremists can not see the same. Because the extremists are killing, torturing and terrorizing. I am not. I simply enjoy music, art, poetry and drawings. If extremists did the same, there would be no more terror.

Blasphemy flushes out the terrorists incapable of living in a free society. The rest learns very well that nothing is immune to ridicule, specially not religion. It drives people away from the thought that their religion is so holy, nobody can joke about it. Extremism can be fought, has been fought and is being fought with extreme blasphemy.


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 Iron_Captain wrote:

Baxx wrote:
I guess there's a bit of a culture shock here.

I obviously come from a different background. I come from a society where ... is deeply rooted in the culture

Ah... That isexactly the same thing that I always say when trying to explain why beating up homosexuals is considered perfectly okay in Russia
On the contrary, blasphemy gets you sent on a free, state-sponsored holiday to the beautiful untouched nature reserves of Siberia, where you can work out in the fresh air to lose all that excessive weight.
As you can see, we Russians are a very tolerant, friendly people.

Oh yeah, you compare violence with listening to music. Nice. I couldn't disagree more. It is a strange country you have where singing a song or drawing a drawing makes you a criminal. I'm happy i don't live in such a society. In Norway, we have more important issues to handle.

 d-usa wrote:
This thread went to a weird place...

Indeed.

With the shower of witches who performed the terrible deeds now dead and funerals etc taking place I think this thread has served its purpose.
If there's any further developments they can go in a new thread.

Doesn't seem much point in going over religion 101 for nth time.