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 Grey Templar wrote:
They may not have enough fat on them either. You need some nice tame puddy tats for that.

My two cats would definetly qualify as "emergency rations" if fat is needed.

Pets are the first to go to stretch out can/dry goods

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Cut in tiny morsels, shot of water (equivalent) and toss it back like a shot of whiskey

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Don't even think of CHEWING

 Ouze wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one, djones, "just look at Katrina" is super super vague.

There were like, 600 rapes in the Superdome.

I think at least 12,00 murders, also.

Ummm... about 1,800 died in Katrina. Total. There were a lot of crimes, but there were not 12,000 murders.

 Jihadin wrote:
Pets are the first to go to stretch out can/dry goods

A lot of people say that until they have to do it.

Part of my family was in Holland during WW2 and had a cat. Food got scarce enough that they considered eating it. They got as far as boiling the pot, looked at the cat, and said nope.


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 DarkLink wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one, djones, "just look at Katrina" is super super vague.

There were like, 600 rapes in the Superdome.

I think at least 12,00 murders, also.

Ummm... about 1,800 died in Katrina. Total. There were a lot of crimes, but there were not 12,000 murders.

He said 1200, not 12000. He just put the comma in the wrong place and it looks odd.

Once you do it Loki they become.....live stock

That's the point. A lot of people talk about it, but having a pet cross from pet to livestock mentally is a very difficult thing for most.

 -Loki- wrote:
That's the point. A lot of people talk about it, but having a pet cross from pet to livestock mentally is a very difficult thing for most.

Yeah, the problem won't be with people eating cats (or even breeding cats for food). The problem will be with people eating "their" pet cat.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Pets are the first to go to stretch out can/dry goods

A lot of people say that until they have to do it.

Part of my family was in Holland during WW2 and had a cat. Food got scarce enough that they considered eating it. They got as far as boiling the pot, looked at the cat, and said nope.


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 DarkLink wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one, djones, "just look at Katrina" is super super vague.

There were like, 600 rapes in the Superdome.

I think at least 12,00 murders, also.

Ummm... about 1,800 died in Katrina. Total. There were a lot of crimes, but there were not 12,000 murders.

He said 1200, not 12000. He just put the comma in the wrong place and it looks odd.

That makes much more sense.

 d-usa wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
That's the point. A lot of people talk about it, but having a pet cross from pet to livestock mentally is a very difficult thing for most.

Yeah, the problem won't be with people eating cats (or even breeding cats for food). The problem will be with people eating "their" pet cat.

If they get hungry enough, anything is possible.

 -Loki- wrote:

 DarkLink wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
I'm gonna have to ask for a citation on that one, djones, "just look at Katrina" is super super vague.

There were like, 600 rapes in the Superdome.

I think at least 12,00 murders, also.

Ummm... about 1,800 died in Katrina. Total. There were a lot of crimes, but there were not 12,000 murders.

He said 1200, not 12000. He just put the comma in the wrong place and it looks odd.

No. I was being facetious (but also did put the comma in the wrong place, I meant to put 12,000).

People point to Katrina as an example of widespread societal breakdown, but it was hugely, hugely overreported by the media to the point they were just making gak up. It was the most epic failure of the media in my lifetime, I think.

So no, there weren't 12,000 murders in the superdome.

But, people remember what they want to remember, because that is how people are.


Anyway, going back on topic, there are two ways to look at having an emergency bag: One, the idea that there are going to be roving bands of cannibals because of a widespread breakdown of order because of an energy crisis, or the crash of the dollar, or just Obama's socialist FEMA squads rounding up Americans into re-education camps to be converted into gay muslims. None of those things seem likely but nonetheless a lot of people are buying gold and ammunition just in case.

On the other hand, you might want a emergency bag and supplies just because of a natural disaster, or even something a magnitude less. The idea that I might have a blizzard that keeps me from leaving the house for a few days is not only a possibility, it's a pretty good likelihood, along with the chance of flooding where I live. So, it's pretty reasonable to prep for scenario 2, I think, and you should supply yourself according to what seems statistically most likely to happen.

Wife called last night, seems the center of the universe (Ft Bragg) is expecting harsh weather (relative/subjective) this morning so they are delaying local school start times and work start times.

To prep for not being able to leave the house we are renting for her this morning, she stopped by Taco Bell on the way home from work and got an extra crunch wrap and extra cinnamon frosting filled things.

 d-usa wrote:
That's why you supplement your suburban rabbit and squirrel diet with feral cats!

Pfft. I'm sure there will be lots of long pig running about. Itsa good stuff!

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
That's why you supplement your suburban rabbit and squirrel diet with feral cats!

Pfft. I'm sure there will be lots of long pig running about. Itsa good stuff!

You can put all this on a short sequence for a while:
Keep some pigs. Feed them fresh human. Eat pork..

With the amount of dead human about anything that can live off them and we can eat is in turn a good food source

 CptJake wrote:
Wife called last night, seems the center of the universe (Ft Bragg) is expecting harsh weather (relative/subjective) this morning so they are delaying local school start times and work start times.

To prep for not being able to leave the house we are renting for her this morning, she stopped by Taco Bell on the way home from work and got an extra crunch wrap and extra cinnamon frosting filled things

Did she get extra toilet paper too?

 Orlanth wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
That's why you supplement your suburban rabbit and squirrel diet with feral cats!

Pfft. I'm sure there will be lots of long pig running about. Itsa good stuff!

You can put all this on a short sequence for a while:
Keep some pigs. Feed them fresh human. Eat pork..

With the amount of dead human about anything that can live off them and we can eat is in turn a good food source

Certain P{acific Islanders called humans "long pig" guess why...

mmmm people bacon!

 curran12 wrote:
If any gun, go with a .22 rifle. That's something you can somewhat reliably hunt with.

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

But it is only really suitable for hunting small animals with. And it's usefulness for self defense is somewhat limited. By contrast a shotgun that can fire buckshot and slugs is more versatile, mechanically simple, and the shells themselves are very useful for survival supplies. The wadding and gunpowder can be invaluable for lighting a fire, and the projectile itself could be used as a weight for fishing. Spent casing can also be used to store smaller items like matches.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
If any gun, go with a .22 rifle. That's something you can somewhat reliably hunt with.

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

But it is only really suitable for hunting small animals with. And it's usefulness for self defense is somewhat limited. By contrast a shotgun that can fire buckshot and slugs is more versatile, mechanically simple, and the shells themselves are very useful for survival supplies. The wadding and gunpowder can be invaluable for lighting a fire, and the projectile itself could be used as a weight for fishing. Spent casing can also be used to store smaller items like matches.

10/22's are so small I don't even see how that would be practical. I have the 10/22 carbine, and it weighs maybe 5 pounds loaded, and its less then 40 inches. Plus taking your gun apart and putting it back together when you are in the wild (READ: not home) for an indeterminate amount of time might not be such a good idea, parts wear out, dirt, mud, and rubble get stuck in places.

I have a small bag with strike anywhere matches, a lighter, 100 yards of cord (2-50's), first aid kit, and my KA-BAR. I keep a bunch of .22 ammo and my rifle near the bag, and I'm always carrying this puppy with me at all times. The CRKT is for a tool, the KA-BAR is for people. Working on a water purification system with my upcoming bonus

I've always liked the idea behind the "scout rifle" concept, and it seems like it would be a good rifle for situations like this.

 d-usa wrote:
I've always liked the idea behind the "scout rifle" concept, and it seems like it would be a good rifle for situations like this.

Agreed. It has a great deal of versatility, and as many of them are bolt action mechanically easy to maintain. The issue with firearms over prolonged periods is ammunition, and how to maintain supplies.


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I wonder how useful an SKS would be for a scout rifle?

Obama's socialist FEMA squads rounding up Americans into re-education camps to be converted into gay muslims.

If I ever make a zombie plan, or write a post apocalyptic novel, I am so including this.

 DarkLink wrote:

Obama's socialist FEMA squads rounding up Americans into re-education camps to be converted into gay muslims.

If I ever make a zombie plan, or write a post apocalyptic novel, I am so including this.

Only happens on Thursday's

If the situation arises that you need a bug out bag the only thing you need is a shotgun. If that situation comes up you take your self to the nearest bass pro/cabelas/gander mtn and blast your way past the looters and take what you need(mainly more ammo). Invest there


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I've always liked the idea behind the "scout rifle" concept, and it seems like it would be a good rifle for situations like this.

Agreed. It has a great deal of versatility, and as many of them are bolt action mechanically easy to maintain. The issue with firearms over prolonged periods is ammunition, and how to maintain supplies.


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I wonder how useful an SKS would be for a scout rifle?

SKS is a great rifle for what you pay for it.

I have a carbine length Mosin-Nagant that I would love to turn into a scout rifle. The main concern would be ammo in a situation where stuff is in short supply.

 d-usa wrote:
I have a carbine length Mosin-Nagant that I would love to turn into a scout rifle. The main concern would be ammo in a situation where stuff is in short supply.

We got my son a couple of those big cans of ammo for his as Christmas gifts (the rifle was a gift from a previous year). Even if you have it, the ammo adds a lot of weight to your load. If you are operating from a fixed site or can set up cache sites it would not be too big a deal, but lugging around a lot of rounds would be a bitch.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
That's why you supplement your suburban rabbit and squirrel diet with feral cats!

Pfft. I'm sure there will be lots of long pig running about. Itsa good stuff!

You can put all this on a short sequence for a while:
Keep some pigs. Feed them fresh human. Eat pork..

With the amount of dead human about anything that can live off them and we can eat is in turn a good food source

Certain P{acific Islanders called humans "long pig" guess why...

mmmm people bacon!

Oddly enough, people wouldn't have very much bacon unless they were super into ab toning. Shank and ham would be the meaty bits.

Always remember to carry enough ammo on you as if your planning on two major engagement X 2

Then the question is few large mags or many small mags. It seems to me that drum mags carry less ammo for the space and weight they occupy.

 Jihadin wrote:
Always remember to carry enough ammo on you as if your planning on two major engagement X 2

Ammo and water are two things you can never carry enough of.

Well living in Socal at worst we get is earthquakes.
Canned food
Water
Multitool
Flashlight
Radio

is as far as we needa go here.

 d-usa wrote:
I have a carbine length Mosin-Nagant that I would love to turn into a scout rifle. The main concern would be ammo in a situation where stuff is in short supply.

No no no don't blaspheme against the greatness that is Nagant.

If you want a scout rifle I suggest the Mossberg. It comes in a variety of calibers including 5.56 and 7.62
http://www.mossberg.com/products/rifles/centerfire/mvp-series

I like the varmint model myself.