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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sure. Just wanted to clarify, considering how narrow the Harlequins range has been, along with their Codex status.

Now compare with Eldar Aspects and/or Sisters of Battle - both of which have had proper Codices dating back to 2E, with new Codices in every edition for Eldar, and nearly every edition for Sisters.

It boggles the mind that GW creates new plastic Harlequins with their "expensive" sculpting and tooling process, but won't do this for Aspects or Sisters. That's insane.

Charles are getting what? 4 kits? Sisters arguably need more than that (Basic Sister with upgrades to help cover the different units that use that body, Canoness, Seraphim, Repentia, Priest/Confessor, Named characters (either the ones we have or new ones), Exorcist and Penitent Engine) and that's not counting splitting the different units into their own boxes with extra heavies or specials or making each unit distinct.

And how many Aspects and Phoenix Lords need an update to plastic again?

This is just a much cheaper release is all and doing it this way means that budget wise the Eldar have room for other stuff to be updated.

Sisters can be done as 2 sprues:

Sisters Troops
2x Sisters core - 5 Sisters w/ Flamer, Melta, SB; HF; PW; banner
- makes Sisters Troops & Elite Sisters & basic HQ models.

Heavy Sisters
1x Sisters core - 5 Sisters w/ Flamer, Melta, SB, HF; PW; banner
1x Sisters Heavy weapons - 2x MM, 2x HB, 2nd HF
- makes Heavy Sisters

Sell just those 2 sprues and Sisters are a viable plastic army for the indefinite future. Even with Flying Nuns & HQs in metal, the army can be done in bulk, which is what matters.


Aside from the 2-in-1 Guardian/Dire Avenger kits, all of the Aspects and Phoenix Lords need to be redone: Fire Dragons (could share DA bodies), Striking Scorpions, Screaming Banshees, Swooping Hawks, Warp Spiders, Dark Reapers (could share Spider & Scorpion bodies). The Phoenix Lords aren't an issue, as they are small and only 1 is needed; however, the Aspects and Avatar should be converted over. I hope to see plastic Aspects with the next Eldar Codex.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sure. Just wanted to clarify, considering how narrow the Harlequins range has been, along with their Codex status.

Now compare with Eldar Aspects and/or Sisters of Battle - both of which have had proper Codices dating back to 2E, with new Codices in every edition for Eldar, and nearly every edition for Sisters.

It boggles the mind that GW creates new plastic Harlequins with their "expensive" sculpting and tooling process, but won't do this for Aspects or Sisters. That's insane.

Charles are getting what? 4 kits? Sisters arguably need more than that (Basic Sister with upgrades to help cover the different units that use that body, Canoness, Seraphim, Repentia, Priest/Confessor, Named characters (either the ones we have or new ones), Exorcist and Penitent Engine) and that's not counting splitting the different units into their own boxes with extra heavies or specials or making each unit distinct.

And how many Aspects and Phoenix Lords need an update to plastic again?

This is just a much cheaper release is all and doing it this way means that budget wise the Eldar have room for other stuff to be updated.

Sisters can be done as 2 sprues:

Sisters Troops
2x Sisters core - 5 Sisters w/ Flamer, Melta, SB; HF; PW; banner
- makes Sisters Troops & Elite Sisters & basic HQ models.

Heavy Sisters
1x Sisters core - 5 Sisters w/ Flamer, Melta, SB, HF; PW; banner
1x Sisters Heavy weapons - 2x MM, 2x HB, 2nd HF
- makes Heavy Sisters

Sell just those 2 sprues and Sisters are a viable plastic army for the indefinite future. Even with Flying Nuns & HQs in metal, the army can be done in bulk, which is what matters.


Aside from the 2-in-1 Guardian/Dire Avenger kits, all of the Aspects and Phoenix Lords need to be redone: Fire Dragons (could share DA bodies), Striking Scorpions, Screaming Banshees, Swooping Hawks, Warp Spiders, Dark Reapers (could share Spider & Scorpion bodies). The Phoenix Lords aren't an issue, as they are small and only 1 is needed; however, the Aspects and Avatar should be converted over. I hope to see plastic Aspects with the next Eldar Codex.

Those 2 sprues don't cover everything I listed. Did you seriously ignore the list of everything I mentioned that's in metal that needs an update into plastic (since Finecast doesn't exist anymore)?

Or the could just squat Sisters.

Because.

Nobody at GW ever promised future "updates" to things they released in the past (or release today).

Maybe todays Harlies are the last there ever be, and people 20 years for now will be crying for an update, that will never come. There's no guarantee they'll ever get more/newer things than they get today.

Lets be honest here

Digging Harlequins back up from beyond the grave is a good sign that SoB might have some truth to it?

Or wishful thinking?

ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sisters can be done as 2 sprues:
Sisters Troops
Heavy Sisters
Sell just those 2 sprues and Sisters are a viable plastic army for the indefinite future. Even with Flying Nuns & HQs in metal, the army can be done in bulk, which is what matters.

Those 2 sprues don't cover everything I listed. Did you seriously ignore the list of everything I mentioned that's in metal that needs an update into plastic (since Finecast doesn't exist anymore)?

Yes, I did, because those other things just don't matter. Boiling the ocean is nonsense, so solve the immediate problem of basic Sisters being priced higher than special order metal Imperial Guard, and leverage that for the Heavies.

The Living Saint will never need to be done in plastic - she will never sell in volume, so it's a waste of money to convert her. Same with the Ecclesiarcy models. Pointless.

Heck, Sisters would probably be better if GW simply pulled the Ecclesiarcy models from sale when the move the basic girls to plastic. At least the army would have visual coherence.
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Wonderwolf wrote:Or the could just squat Sisters.

Maybe todays Harlies are the last there ever be, and people 20 years for now will be crying for an update, that will never come. There's no guarantee they'll ever get more/newer things than they get today.

They could. Which is why I'm always shocked when Sisters get a Codex, and even more shocked by Sisters players complaining that they only have half a loaf. As a Dogs of War player, half a loaf is immeasurably better than none.
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WrentheFaceless wrote:Lets be honest here

Digging Harlequins back up from beyond the grave is a good sign that SoB might have some truth to it?

Or wishful thinking?

I'm really not sure. Looking at the new Harlies, they are far more Grimdark (tm) than ever before, with their blacks and such.

If we are getting new Sisters in plastic, I think we'll be getting Sisters of Grimdark (tm). I doubt the aesthetic will hold, and am not sure what else might be done, given that the poster girls are already in black armor. Does GW really have the balls to sell tonsured female models?

Wonderwolf wrote:
Or the could just squat Sisters.

Because.

Nobody at GW ever promised future "updates" to things they released in the past (or release today).

Maybe todays Harlies are the last there ever be, and people 20 years for now will be crying for an update, that will never come. There's no guarantee they'll ever get more/newer things than they get today.

Yes, they COULD. But unless they do there really isn't no reason to keep bringing up the possibility. We're well aware of Damocles' sword that hangs overhead and don't need a constant reminder.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yes, I did, because those other things just don't matter. Boiling the ocean is nonsense, so solve the immediate problem of basic Sisters being priced higher than special order metal Imperial Guard, and leverage that for the Heavies.

The Living Saint will never need to be done in plastic - she will never sell in volume, so it's a waste of money to convert her. Same with the Ecclesiarcy models. Pointless.

Heck, Sisters would probably be better if GW simply pulled the Ecclesiarcy models from sale when the move the basic girls to plastic. At least the army would have visual coherence.

You REALLY don't understand that an HQ in metal isn't fesible anymore do you? We lost an HQ in the last update because they ran out of stock for them. If the army gets a plastic update she needs to be in plastic or dropped because she won't stay in stock forever.

And Priests ARE a model than needs to be in plastic. Inquisition can take them, Guard has them and Sisters can take them. They can be taken in decent sized numbers to boot.

Do you really think about what you're posting?

And with Sisters ALL units matter because the supplies are VERY limited and we need to see them updated or replaced with something else. If there is an upsurge in Sisters armies with plastic models do you really think those metal models will last long?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Do you really think about what you're posting?

Do you?

It's Sisters defenders like you that make me very sympathetic to GW's obvious desire to Squat the Sisters by putting them out of their misery as a non-combat-capable force.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Do you really think about what you're posting?

Do you?

It's Sisters defenders like you that make me very sympathetic to GW's obvious desire to Squat the Sisters by putting them out of their misery as a non-combat-capable force.

You're doing a lot of gak talking for someone who thinks that keeping metal models in 2015, nearly 4 years after they stopped making new metal models, is a viable option. Seriously, it's not feasible and you're frankly crazy if you want to claim otherwise.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm starting to have a flashbacks

So what you are saying is that we tell GW they have until dawn to give us Sisters of Battle, or we cut their balls off ?

Come on, we all know GW does not have balls. They have progenoid glands.

 adamsouza wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm starting to have a flashbacks

So what you are saying is that we tell GW they have until dawn to give us Sisters of Battle, or we cut their balls off ?

That or we're going to paint "Games Workshop Go Home" all over the place in latin tonight.

What the heck happened here? Geeze...

 pretre wrote:
What the heck happened here? Geeze...

C.S. Goto got a hold of DD's keyboard again is what happened.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What the heck happened here? Geeze...

C.S. Goto got a hold of DD's keyboard again is what happened.

Or you might be overreacting a bit?

I was bored so I bought some more Sisters and another immolator

 Mr Morden wrote:
I was bored so I bought some more Sisters and another immolator

I've been thinking about the contest and wondering if I should. I have everything I need though. :(

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What the heck happened here? Geeze...

C.S. Goto got a hold of DD's keyboard again is what happened.

Or you might be overreacting a bit?

I don't feel I am.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Do you really think about what you're posting?

Do you?

It's Sisters defenders like you that make me very sympathetic to GW's obvious desire to Squat the Sisters by putting them out of their misery as a non-combat-capable force.

You're doing a lot of gak talking for someone who thinks that keeping metal models in 2015, nearly 4 years after they stopped making new metal models, is a viable option. Seriously, it's not feasible and you're frankly crazy if you want to claim otherwise.

And you're full of gak yourself. I just bought a bunch of M1E metal minis on the last Black Friday sale, despite M2E plastics being available. Maybe you should calm the feth down.

 pretre wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I was bored so I bought some more Sisters and another immolator

I've been thinking about the contest and wondering if I should. I have everything I need though. :(

So do I but hey............. I'll have to pay to get them painted as well - still be worth it can match my Knight now.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Do you really think about what you're posting?

Do you?

It's Sisters defenders like you that make me very sympathetic to GW's obvious desire to Squat the Sisters by putting them out of their misery as a non-combat-capable force.

You're doing a lot of gak talking for someone who thinks that keeping metal models in 2015, nearly 4 years after they stopped making new metal models, is a viable option. Seriously, it's not feasible and you're frankly crazy if you want to claim otherwise.

And you're full of gak yourself. I just bought a bunch of M1E metal minis on the last Black Friday sale, despite M2E plastics being available. Maybe you should calm the feth down.

I am calm, I'm just saying your claim of what the Sisters can get away with for a release is full of it. I don't care that you bought a bunch of stuff from someone else, I'm talking about what GW needs to release so it doesn't shoot itself, or the stores that carry it's products, in the foot. Forcing people to go buy used models to fill in missing options for their armies is a bad idea.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What the heck happened here? Geeze...

C.S. Goto got a hold of DD's keyboard again is what happened.

Or you might be overreacting a bit?

I don't feel I am.

You kind of are, you went beyond respectfulness into insult. Take a deep breath and ask the Emperor for forgiveness, sister.

What makes you think GW wouldn't spin up more models if needed? It's not like they ever stopped spinning Eldar metal.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What the heck happened here? Geeze...

C.S. Goto got a hold of DD's keyboard again is what happened.

Or you might be overreacting a bit?

I don't feel I am.

You kind of are, you went beyond respectfulness into insult. Take a deep breath and ask the Emperor for forgiveness, sister.

If I were to do that I'd need to be purging with fire afterwards to deal with the heresy in this thread.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
What makes you think GW wouldn't spin up more models if needed? It's not like they ever stopped spinning Eldar metal.

Eldar aren't in metal anymore, they're in Finecast.

And Kyrinov, the Seraphim Superiors and one of each of the Battle Sisters with Special Weapons going OOP and then being removed from the codex is why I think they won't do it. They're already not doing it. So really, what evidence is there that they will keep doing it since we keep losing models?

Tell you what, I'm going to step away from this thread for a bit. Let's all chill, OK?

...can I get a tl;dr of the last 4 pages?

 ncshooter426 wrote:
...can I get a tl;dr of the last 4 pages?

Angry Rant, Angry Rant, I've been burned before, I'll believe sister when I have them in my hands, metal minatures, need plastic, angry rant

Grain of salt... but Fantasy Flight just announced an expansion for Relic, a 40k Talisman-alike, and one of the new featured playable classes is a Sister Hospitalier...

GW does like its product synergy, and this expansion is a summer release... so its another tiny droplet in the direction of rumored "Sister around May" talk.

Nothing came of the Sister for the last FFG game though.


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Or the Sisters expansion for FFG's RPG.

AnomanderRake wrote:

Skitari is singular, Skitarii is plural. It's a pseudo-Latin thing (and pronounced skit-AR-ee-ai that way).

And neither of those are Sitkari.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Grain of salt... but Fantasy Flight just announced an expansion for Relic, a 40k Talisman-alike, and one of the new featured playable classes is a Sister Hospitalier...

GW does like its product synergy, and this expansion is a summer release... so its another tiny droplet in the direction of rumored "Sister around May" talk.

Hasn't Relic already got the Canoness character?