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Product synergy would imply marketing and communicaion..

Anyway who cares, even if sisters come out on my birthday in May I won't be getting any since I've quit 40k.

My main objection will be the same - I suspect we'll get 10 plastic sisters for the price of 20 metal ones...

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
Product synergy would imply marketing and communicaion..

Anyway who cares, even if sisters come out on my birthday in May I won't be getting any since I've quit 40k.

My main objection will be the same - I suspect we'll get 10 plastic sisters for the price of 20 metal ones...

So you came to a 40k thread to tell us how you're not playing 40k? CSB.

And the chances of them charging terminator prices for sisters of battle is just not likely.

Go cause trouble in another thread.

 pretre wrote:

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
Product synergy would imply marketing and communicaion..

Anyway who cares, even if sisters come out on my birthday in May I won't be getting any since I've quit 40k.

My main objection will be the same - I suspect we'll get 10 plastic sisters for the price of 20 metal ones...

So you came to a 40k thread to tell us how you're not playing 40k? CSB.

And the chances of them charging terminator prices for sisters of battle is just not likely.

Go cause trouble in another thread.

Ah, good ol' pseudo-mod pretre. If you don't like what he's saying, report or ignore. Otherwise, he can say what he wants within the rules.

The only thing that would interest me with a new Sisters release would (possibly) be the codex. But I keep saying this: Sisters players better be careful what they wish for. A new codex has the potential to delete existing units and create new aberrant ones. I like my Sisters army a great deal, but I do not have much confidence GW will do right by it under their current design philosophy.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Ah, good ol' pseudo-mod pretre. If you don't like what he's saying, report or ignore. Otherwise, he can say what he wants within the rules.

You better run faster, because you're not escaping the irony.

 Mr Morden wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Grain of salt... but Fantasy Flight just announced an expansion for Relic, a 40k Talisman-alike, and one of the new featured playable classes is a Sister Hospitalier...

GW does like its product synergy, and this expansion is a summer release... so its another tiny droplet in the direction of rumored "Sister around May" talk.

Hasn't Relic already got the Canoness character?

Yes it does.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
Product synergy would imply marketing and communicaion..

Anyway who cares, even if sisters come out on my birthday in May I won't be getting any since I've quit 40k.

My main objection will be the same - I suspect we'll get 10 plastic sisters for the price of 20 metal ones...

So you came to a 40k thread to tell us how you're not playing 40k? CSB.

And the chances of them charging terminator prices for sisters of battle is just not likely.

Go cause trouble in another thread.

Ah, good ol' pseudo-mod pretre. If you don't like what he's saying, report or ignore. Otherwise, he can say what he wants within the rules.

The only thing that would interest me with a new Sisters release would (possibly) be the codex. But I keep saying this: Sisters players better be careful what they wish for. A new codex has the potential to delete existing units and create new aberrant ones. I like my Sisters army a great deal, but I do not have much confidence GW will do right by it under their current design philosophy.

I'm not sure the could delete many units and still call it a sisters codex. There are 6 HQ's, 1 troop, 2 elites, 3 heavy, and 2 fast attack. There are no non apoc formations, no detachments, no flyers, and no lords of war. If they make Celestine LOW and keep her T3 that would be a joke. What could they really take away? We could lose Jacobus and that would be no great loss on the figure department. I always hated his fat mountain man with a pole look. There are some codexes with bigger heavy support sections than our whole codex.

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
Product synergy would imply marketing and communicaion..

Anyway who cares, even if sisters come out on my birthday in May I won't be getting any since I've quit 40k.

My main objection will be the same - I suspect we'll get 10 plastic sisters for the price of 20 metal ones...

Metal sisters are priced so they won't sell any of them. I doubt they'd go through the expense of molding and casting mass-market Sisters of Battle models, and then over-price them just to spite you.

Some of you need to stop taking simple business decisions so personally. At least they still get rules. Squats and Genestealer Cult players of yesteryear would love to be able to say that.

andrewm9 wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:


*snip*

The only thing that would interest me with a new Sisters release would (possibly) be the codex. But I keep saying this: Sisters players better be careful what they wish for. A new codex has the potential to delete existing units and create new aberrant ones. I like my Sisters army a great deal, but I do not have much confidence GW will do right by it under their current design philosophy.

I'm not sure the could delete many units and still call it a sisters codex. There are 6 HQ's, 1 troop, 2 elites, 3 heavy, and 2 fast attack. There are no non apoc formations, no detachments, no flyers, and no lords of war. If they make Celestine LOW and keep her T3 that would be a joke. What could they really take away? We could lose Jacobus and that would be no great loss on the figure department. I always hated his fat mountain man with a pole look. There are some codexes with bigger heavy support sections than our whole codex.

Repentia, battle conclaves, and pengines could easily get axed. They would also have to do something with the Exorcist kit. Which would likely mean more than just a simple port to plastic. A dual kit might make sense, but then the Exorcist is already treading that line between goofy, OTT church-tank and grimdark, slightly goofy church-tank. I'd almost be afraid of what kind of dual kit would come from a shared set of plastic frames.

The other question to be asked is if this will be a full codex or Militarum Tempestus/Harlequin "intended-as-allies" codex. To completely plasticize the army and call it a true codex army, they would need a HQ clampack, a 5-(wo)man Sisters box (to make Celestians, BSS, and Doms), a 5-(wo)man Rets box, a Seraphim box, and an Exorcist kit. That's 5 kits, and it would mean nothing completely new. That just doesn't seem realistic to me.

If you only count power armoured infantry models, you can do the whole army in 5 unique sprues. Exorcists are a 1 sprue add-on to a Rhino box, Repentia are a 1-sprue kit, Seraphim are a 1-sprue kit, and Penitent Engines are probably a 2-sprue kit. I guess you still need a clampack for Priests.

Sprue #1: 5 Heads (2 helmet 2 bare 1 gasmask), 3 Torsos, 3 Pairs Legs, 3 pairs Bolter arms, 1 Power Sword arm, 1 Bolt Pistol arm, 1 holy icon arm, 1 Simulacrum Imperialis arm, 4 Backpacks, 4 misc. pouches/grenades/holsters £5

Spruie #2: 5 Heads (2 helmet 2 bare 1 gasmask), 2 Torsos, 2 Pairs Legs, 2 pairs Heavy Flamer arms, 2 pairs Multi-Melta arms, 2 pairs Heavy Bolter arms, 1 Power Maul arm, 1 Bolt Pistol arm, 1 grenade chucking arm, 1 Combi-plasma bit, 1 Combi-melta bit, 1 Combi-flamer bit, 3 unique Heavy Weapon backpacks £5

Sprue #3: 2 Superior Heads (1 bare, 1 helmet), 1 Bling Torso, 1 pair Bling Legs, 2 pairs Flamer arms,2 pairs Meltagun arms, 1 pair Storm Bolter arms, 1 Power Axe arm, 1 single-handed Storm Bolter arm, 1 Plasma Pistol arm, 1 Combi-weapon arm. £5

Sprue #4: 2 Canoness heads, 1 Hospitaller head, 1 Dialogous head. 1 Canoness torso, 1 pair Eviscerator arms, 1 Narthecium arm, 1 Blessed Banner arm, 1 Laud Hailer arm, 1 Inferno Pistol arm, 3 Chainsword arms, 3 Bolt Pistol arms, 3 Power Sword arms, 3 Bolter arms, 1 pair Litanies of Faith arms, 1 Book of St Lucius arm. 1 Canoness backpack. £10

Sprue #5: Converts a Rhino into an Exorcist

Sprue #6+7: Builds 5 Seraphim, including special weapon and sister superior options.

Voila.
Battle Sister box has 2 Sprue #1, 1 Sprue #2 and 1 Sprue #3 in. (2*£5+£5+£5+£5 = £25, same as a tac squad)
Dominion box has 1 Sprue #1 and 2 Sprue #3 in. (£5+2*£5=£15, slightly less than a tac squad but they ARE less points)
Retributor box has 1 Sprue #1 in and 2 Sprue #2 in. (£5+2*£5=£15, slightly less than a tac squad but they ARE less points)
Canoness+CCS/Celestian Squad box has 3 Sprue #3 and 1 Sprue #4 in. (3*£5+£10 = £25, same as a Veteran box)

Doesn't seem quite so daunting when you break it down like that.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
If you only count power armoured infantry models, you can do the whole army in 5 unique sprues. Exorcists are a 1 sprue add-on to a Rhino box, Repentia are a 1-sprue kit, Seraphim are a 1-sprue kit, and Penitent Engines are probably a 2-sprue kit. I guess you still need a clampack for Priests.

Spoiler:

Sprue #1: 5 Heads (2 helmet 2 bare 1 gasmask), 3 Torsos, 3 Pairs Legs, 3 pairs Bolter arms, 1 Power Sword arm, 1 Bolt Pistol arm, 1 holy icon arm, 1 Simulacrum Imperialis arm, 4 Backpacks, 4 misc. pouches/grenades/holsters £5

Spruie #2: 5 Heads (2 helmet 2 bare 1 gasmask), 2 Torsos, 2 Pairs Legs, 2 pairs Heavy Flamer arms, 2 pairs Multi-Melta arms, 2 pairs Heavy Bolter arms, 1 Power Maul arm, 1 Bolt Pistol arm, 1 grenade chucking arm, 1 Combi-plasma bit, 1 Combi-melta bit, 1 Combi-flamer bit, 3 unique Heavy Weapon backpacks £5

Sprue #3: 2 Superior Heads (1 bare, 1 helmet), 1 Bling Torso, 1 pair Bling Legs, 2 pairs Flamer arms,2 pairs Meltagun arms, 1 pair Storm Bolter arms, 1 Power Axe arm, 1 single-handed Storm Bolter arm, 1 Plasma Pistol arm, 1 Combi-weapon arm. £5

Sprue #4: 2 Canoness heads, 1 Hospitaller head, 1 Dialogous head. 1 Canoness torso, 1 pair Eviscerator arms, 1 Narthecium arm, 1 Blessed Banner arm, 1 Laud Hailer arm, 1 Inferno Pistol arm, 3 Chainsword arms, 3 Bolt Pistol arms, 3 Power Sword arms, 3 Bolter arms, 1 pair Litanies of Faith arms, 1 Book of St Lucius arm. 1 Canoness backpack. £10

Sprue #5: Converts a Rhino into an Exorcist

Sprue #6+7: Builds 5 Seraphim, including special weapon and sister superior options.

Voila.
Battle Sister box has 2 Sprue #1, 1 Sprue #2 and 1 Sprue #3 in. (2*£5+£5+£5+£5 = £25, same as a tac squad)
Dominion box has 1 Sprue #1 and 2 Sprue #3 in. (£5+2*£5=£15, slightly less than a tac squad but they ARE less points)
Retributor box has 1 Sprue #1 in and 2 Sprue #2 in. (£5+2*£5=£15, slightly less than a tac squad but they ARE less points)
Canoness+CCS/Celestian Squad box has 3 Sprue #3 and 1 Sprue #4 in. (3*£5+£10 = £25, same as a Veteran box)

Doesn't seem quite so daunting when you break it down like that.

My only issiue with that configuration is that a BSS box would only make a squad of 9 and not 10.

That's true. An extra body on the Bolter sprue then?

They would also have to do something with the Exorcist kit. Which would likely mean more than just a simple port to plastic. A dual kit might make sense, but then the Exorcist is already treading that line between goofy, OTT church-tank and grimdark, slightly goofy church-tank. I'd almost be afraid of what kind of dual kit would come from a shared set of plastic frames.

The original Exorcist just looked like a Whirlwind variant.



They could just go back to something like that

That's not really the original exorcist. The original exorcist didn't even have a model. I know, I kitbashed three.

Earlier on, I suggested a different breakout of sprues:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sisters can be done as 2 sprues:

Sisters Troops
2x Sisters core - 5 Sisters w/ Flamer, Melta, SB; HF; PW; banner
- makes Sisters Troops & Elite Sisters & basic HQ models.

Heavy Sisters
1x Sisters core - 5 Sisters w/ Flamer, Melta, SB, HF; PW; banner
1x Sisters Heavy weapons - 2x MM, 2x HB, 2nd HF
- makes Heavy Sisters

Sell just those 2 sprues and Sisters are a viable plastic army for the indefinite future. Even with Flying Nuns & HQs in metal, the army can be done in bulk, which is what matters.

If the intent is to go all-plastic, you'd want a few more sprues
- 5 Seraphim
- 3 Pengines (new sculpt)
- Exorcist upgrade for Rhino (new sculpt)

HQ is a problem, as there is no reason to create a single girl as a sprue. It will never sell enough to justify itself when people can kitbash from the core models. Possibly could do a 5 Sisters HQ squad with banners, but that just looks like the core kit.

As above, going to plastic will require all new sculpts for Exorcist. The church organ Ecorcist won't work - it's way too goofy.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
- Exorcist upgrade for Rhino (new sculpt)

ED: whoops i read "immo" and i was like: "Why? it's okay as it is..."

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
HQ is a problem, as there is no reason to create a single girl as a sprue. It will never sell enough to justify itself when people can kitbash from the core models. Possibly could do a 5 Sisters HQ squad with banners, but that just looks like the core kit.

Unless she gets new bad-a** rules and 5 Variants, like Space marine Captain kits, etc...
Like she has a jump pack, a bike, a Maul, Eviscerator, SS, heavy flamer, double Inferno pistols, 10 head options, 5 more CC options and 6 Special weapons.... If ya no wat i meen...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
As above, going to plastic will require all new sculpts for Exorcist. The church organ Ecorcist won't work - it's way too goofy.

I like the Organ pulpit and sister

No new sculpt.

Maybe modify the tubes a bit, but it really has grown on me.... Apart from weight... that'll always mark me every time i pick it up xD

A new HQ would just be a single frame sprue canoness.

 pretre wrote:
A new HQ would just be a single frame sprue canoness.

There is room for a plastic Priest kit too. Between the Inquisition, Ad Mech and Sisters there are three armies that use them and could use a plastic kit.

Good call. A single frame priest would be cool.

 pretre wrote:
Good call. A single frame priest would be cool.

I just hope they do the kits like the Empire Wizard kits. Extra options beat no options on those sorts of things.

The Empire Wizard is kind of the gold standard for single-character kits, lol.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The Empire Wizard is kind of the gold standard for single-character kits, lol.

Well the plastic ones at least. The Canoness is a pretty diverse kit now despite being metal.

Again, if this is a full codex, you're all forgetting that GW will need to add something new to the line. Something not in the current codex. They might also feel the need to add a unique weapon or weapon option in the Sisters box (e.g., the grav guns in the SM Tac box or heavy flamer in the BA Tac box). You can't have all those vets sitting on existing armies just buying codexes and no new kits.

Also, hasn't GW gotten away from the whole adding a single upgrade sprue to an existing kit way of making models? I can easily see them designing a whole new Exorcist kit on two sprues rather than adding a separate frame to the Rhino kit. This prevents third party sellers breaking open boxes and selling separate frames and "stealing" sales from GW.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Again, if this is a full codex, you're all forgetting that GW will need to add something new to the line. Something not in the current codex. They might also feel the need to add a unique weapon or weapon option in the Sisters box (e.g., the grav guns in the SM Tac box or heavy flamer in the BA Tac box). You can't have all those vets sitting on existing armies just buying codexes and no new kits.

Also, hasn't GW gotten away from the whole adding a single upgrade sprue to an existing kit way of making models? I can easily see them designing a whole new Exorcist kit on two sprues rather than adding a separate frame to the Rhino kit. This prevents third party sellers breaking open boxes and selling separate frames and "stealing" sales from GW.

Why? That certainly hasn't been the case in the last several Codices released. The unit lists have been trimmed, options removed.

 Psienesis wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Again, if this is a full codex, you're all forgetting that GW will need to add something new to the line. Something not in the current codex. They might also feel the need to add a unique weapon or weapon option in the Sisters box (e.g., the grav guns in the SM Tac box or heavy flamer in the BA Tac box). You can't have all those vets sitting on existing armies just buying codexes and no new kits.

Also, hasn't GW gotten away from the whole adding a single upgrade sprue to an existing kit way of making models? I can easily see them designing a whole new Exorcist kit on two sprues rather than adding a separate frame to the Rhino kit. This prevents third party sellers breaking open boxes and selling separate frames and "stealing" sales from GW.

Why? That certainly hasn't been the case in the last several Codices released. The unit lists have been trimmed, options removed.

If it's a FULL codex, why wouldn't it get 4-5 new kits, including something completely new? The Space Wolves and BA did. The GKs, Necrons, and Dark Eldar didn't because their plastics are relatively new (within the last 5 years). So, I would expect that the Sisters would get the same treatment IF there's a new codex around the corner.

In the end, any conversation about Sisters is fantasyland. I'm just trying to logically extrapolate a bit.

The "full" Grey Knight codex had Terminators, power armor Grey Knights, and Dreadknights, and that's it.

 DarkLink wrote:
The "full" Grey Knight codex had Terminators, power armor Grey Knights, and Dreadknights, and that's it.

You missed the part about those kits being less than 5 years old. The Sisters' only all-plastic kit, the Immo, is twice that age, IIRC.

Rippers were moving this morning and brought a couple of small tidbits (different Ripper than before, but one I've got a heavy amount of faith in):

From the Ripper Swarms:
1. May looks to be a little too soon, but I didn't get word of where it'll fit in exactly, just that May was too soon.

2. There is a format change coming for Sisters. I don't have details coming but there is a change coming. Granted if they get a real codex that's a format change, but I have a personal feeling that it may get a change in how they build an army (like how the Necrons build the Decurion).

3. Lastly there was some detail regarding the visual design being more inspired by Blanche.

Blanche did the 2nd Ed codex cover:


Now while I doubt we'll be getting Power Heels, it does make me think that we may see shorter sleeves (which would solve the sleeve issue) as well. Also we may be seeing his touch more in the Ministorum stuff (which would carry his over the top style very well).

Worst. Cover. Ever.
I like Blanche as an artist, especially his deamon stuff, but that cover.....

 MWHistorian wrote:
Worst. Cover. Ever.
I like Blanche as an artist, especially his deamon stuff, but that cover.....

It was the first example I found of his work with Sisters. I can't recall if he did any other bits of art.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
3. Lastly there was some detail regarding the visual design being more inspired by Blanche.

NNNOOOOOOO0000000oooooooooooo........... lol

The two best Adepta Sororitas pictures:
-The Dialogus model painted model.
-That cover.

Hands down nothing beats them.


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