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 Furyou Miko wrote:
The initial Exorcist is the first one GW made, which would be the Forge World kit. Anything you make at home may be older, but it can't ever claim to be an official design.

Thank you.


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To this day I can't figure out why the Exorcist isn't just a Whirlwind Kit with and Adepta Sororitas Add-On sprue.

From Natfka's comments section:

nightfury wrote:
I can gurantee plastic kits for adeptus sororitas will be released within the next 18 months.. the molds are finished and production is already underway

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 adamsouza wrote:
To this day I can't figure out why the Exorcist isn't just a Whirlwind Kit with and Adepta Sororitas Add-On sprue.

Because bling.

Seriously though, the Sisters are supposed to be a bit over the top.

Nightfury is 6 and 2 right now, so not bad.

 pretre wrote:
Nightfury is 6 and 2 right now, so not bad.

Indeed. Plus the two he's got wrong had to do with rulebooks, not models.

I said this in news/rumors... but man... when is it ok to get excited? :-p

I can't help but feel that the more smoke there is, the greater the likelihood of fire, and all that. This stands as the most adamant rumor from a fairly reliable source yet, and dammit... I just can't help but get really excited.

I already own more generic bolter Battle Sisters than I will ever field in a single game, but I would love to fill out my special weapons with lots of new models.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I said this in news/rumors... but man... when is it ok to get excited? :-p

Pictures. Not before.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I said this in news/rumors... but man... when is it ok to get excited? :-p

Pictures. Not before.

Pictures like the Eldar Jetbikes that never got released?

Or pictures on the GW website, for things that you can add to cart?

Pictures from the leaked White Dwarf, a week before things get released.

 adamsouza wrote:
Pictures from the leaked White Dwarf, a week before things get released.

OK, that'll do!

Still nothing all that substantial... But the recent source claiming it apparently being a reliable one has me hopeful.

It seems to also fit in with what Jes Goodwin last said on the matter last July, which was basically that they haven't done anything yet but seemingly hinting that they will.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
To this day I can't figure out why the Exorcist isn't just a Whirlwind Kit with and Adepta Sororitas Add-On sprue.

Because bling.

Seriously though, the Sisters are supposed to be a bit over the top.

Damn right.

I remember somebody (sorry, can't recall who) insightfully saying that the difference between the Excorcist and the Whirlwind summed up the differences in style between the two armies.

Marines are about taking something that was practical (back in the glorious enlightened atheist days where the SCS were made, or when the technology behind the power armor, etc, was understood), and adding useless bling and stuff because of obscurantism. The Sisters are about taking whatever the obscurantist Ecclesiarchy find cool, and throwing tons of Imperial credit in its general direction until it start to somehow work.

 Troike wrote:
Still nothing all that substantial... But the recent source claiming it apparently being a reliable one has me hopeful.

It seems to also fit in with what Jes Goodwin last said on the matter last July, which was basically that they haven't done anything yet but seemingly hinting that they will.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
To this day I can't figure out why the Exorcist isn't just a Whirlwind Kit with and Adepta Sororitas Add-On sprue.

Because bling.

Seriously though, the Sisters are supposed to be a bit over the top.

Damn right.

I remember somebody (sorry, can't recall who) insightfully saying that the difference between the Excorcist and the Whirlwind summed up the differences in style between the two armies.

Am I mistaken or isn't there actually a SoB Whirlwind? IIRC it has more cylinder-like rocket pods, maybe an earlier or more ornate pattern than the Astartes one.

So will we see a lightning fighter with this release? That's the real ticket you know. Everyone could use those, IG as well as SoB, Marines could even use them as Naval provided CAS, the possibilities are endless!

That's the Exorcist, if it's the one I'm thinking of.

You are correct, it seems as though there are two patterns of Exorcist tank. One haS a MRLS and the other has the Pipe Organ set-up. I like the latter better as it is far more characterful than a whirlwind with round pods.

Don't get me wrong, the organs look cool, but they shoot missles out towards the back of the Exorcist that must then hook around in mid air to zip toward the target in front of the Exorcist.

The Exorcist isn't even indirect fire is it ? Doesn't it require line of sight to it's target ?

xraytango wrote:
You are correct, it seems as though there are two patterns of Exorcist tank. One haS a MRLS and the other has the Pipe Organ set-up. I like the latter better as it is far more characterful than a whirlwind with round pods.

Imperial Armour Volume 2 refers to the "Pipe Organ" one as the Prioris Pattern, made at the Mars forge and thus are more highly venerated as they originate closer to the Holy Throne, and the "MLRS" variant as the Sanctorum Pattern built at Ophelia VII, which are more common but not as "holy".

 adamsouza wrote:
The Exorcist isn't even indirect fire is it ? Doesn't it require line of sight to it's target ?

If you take the rules literally, there is an arc of fire that extends at 45 degree around the cannon, so the exorcist can only fire at flyers that are extremely close to it… and without the anti-air rule.

 adamsouza wrote:
Don't get me wrong, the organs look cool, but they shoot missles out towards the back of the Exorcist that must then hook around in mid air to zip toward the target in front of the Exorcist.

The Exorcist isn't even indirect fire is it ? Doesn't it require line of sight to it's target ?

It does require LoS, but it doesn't mean we can't assume it arc fires anyways. I mean who doesn't love some holy rain of fiery death?


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
The Exorcist isn't even indirect fire is it ? Doesn't it require line of sight to it's target ?

If you take the rules literally, there is an arc of fire that extends at 45 degree around the cannon, so the exorcist can only fire at flyers that are extremely close to it… and without the anti-air rule.

I like the FAQ we had better instead. Draw LoS from any of the pipes. Problem solved in a simple eloquent manner.

And never doubt the power of an Exorcist snap-firing at an Aircraft. I crashed a Doom Scythe today the first time I shot at it that way (6 shots, 1 hit, 1 pen, failed Jink, Immobilized, rolled a 1, it crashed).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I like the FAQ we had better instead. Draw LoS from any of the pipes. Problem solved in a simple eloquent manner.

It does not over-ride the arc of fire thingy, it just allows you to choose which pipe to measure it from, iirc.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And never doubt the power of an Exorcist snap-firing at an Aircraft. I crashed a Doom Scythe today the first time I shot at it that way (6 shots, 1 hit, 1 pen, failed Jink, Immobilized, rolled a 1, it crashed).

Well, in other word, you got pretty damn lucky: getting 6 shots, pen, he/she failed jink, getting it immobilized, and he/she rolling a one!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I like the FAQ we had better instead. Draw LoS from any of the pipes. Problem solved in a simple eloquent manner.

It does not over-ride the arc of fire thingy, it just allows you to choose which pipe to measure it from, iirc.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And never doubt the power of an Exorcist snap-firing at an Aircraft. I crashed a Doom Scythe today the first time I shot at it that way (6 shots, 1 hit, 1 pen, failed Jink, Immobilized, rolled a 1, it crashed).

Well, in other word, you got pretty damn lucky: getting 6 shots, pen, he/she failed jink, getting it immobilized, and he/she rolling a one!

If we want to argue it needs to be aimed up then you'd be arguing an unneeded nerf on an army that really doesn't deserve that. If you TFG who wants to argue that I'd be that person who wouldn't play you. That simple.

And yes, I got lucky, but I wasn't saying I wasn't. I was just saying that you shouldn't underestimate how useful that can be.

No one is aruging it should be nerfed. It's just a cool looking, but impractical design. The Forge World design was more practical.

Honestly, I remeber buying the GW one when it was first released and thinking it was going to have some sort of sonic attack.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Don't get me wrong, the organs look cool, but they shoot missles out towards the back of the Exorcist that must then hook around in mid air to zip toward the target in front of the Exorcist.

The Exorcist isn't even indirect fire is it ? Doesn't it require line of sight to it's target ?

It does require LoS, but it doesn't mean we can't assume it arc fires anyways. I mean who doesn't love some holy rain of fiery death?


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
The Exorcist isn't even indirect fire is it ? Doesn't it require line of sight to it's target ?

If you take the rules literally, there is an arc of fire that extends at 45 degree around the cannon, so the exorcist can only fire at flyers that are extremely close to it… and without the anti-air rule.

I like the FAQ we had better instead. Draw LoS from any of the pipes. Problem solved in a simple eloquent manner.

And never doubt the power of an Exorcist snap-firing at an Aircraft. I crashed a Doom Scythe today the first time I shot at it that way (6 shots, 1 hit, 1 pen, failed Jink, Immobilized, rolled a 1, it crashed).

I took out a Stormraven in a similar way recently. Got 5 shots off with 2 hits which both penetrated with 2 immobilization results. The second one caused the crash and burn result. This was after the Stormraven unloaded everything it had on my exo's front armour.

What can I say "The Emperor protects"

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If we want to argue it needs to be aimed up then you'd be arguing an unneeded nerf on an army that really doesn't deserve that.

IMO, *both* points are true:

1. the current LOS upward-firing Exorcist is a *TERRIBLE* design from a rules POV *and* a modeling POV. In many ways, the Exorcist is the distillation of everything that is wrong with the Sisters: over-complicated nonsense rules, super-expensive models, old & obsolete metal models.

2. Sisters do not need any nerfs, but it is clear that no thought was given by GW toward what the Exorcist should be based then current model for the initial rules, or the latest rules based on the current model.

Moving any future Exorcist to a 2-in-1 kit with an Indirect (only) option and a Direct (only) alternative would solve the problem neatly. As it is, it's just a mess.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If we want to argue it needs to be aimed up then you'd be arguing an unneeded nerf on an army that really doesn't deserve that.

IMO, *both* points are true:

1. the current LOS upward-firing Exorcist is a *TERRIBLE* design from a rules POV *and* a modeling POV. In many ways, the Exorcist is the distillation of everything that is wrong with the Sisters: over-complicated nonsense rules, super-expensive models, old & obsolete metal models.

2. Sisters do not need any nerfs, but it is clear that no thought was given by GW toward what the Exorcist should be based then current model for the initial rules, or the latest rules based on the current model.

Moving any future Exorcist to a 2-in-1 kit with an Indirect (only) option and a Direct (only) alternative would solve the problem neatly. As it is, it's just a mess.

hmm - I love the Exorcist model - it seems so in character - that's why I have 4

Not had a problem with the rules before but then don't play competitively.

So the sm/sisters release is actually gk/sisters, right? Since GW loves to get a good troll in on sisters players, and we all know what happens when sisters and grey Knights hang out together.

Heh.

Bearing in mind the rumours of Mark IX Power Armour, maybe the new plastic Sisters rumours are because the Mk IX Space marine kit comes with some female heads.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Heh.

Bearing in mind the rumours of Mark IX Power Armour, maybe the new plastic Sisters rumours are because the Mk IX Space marine kit comes with some female heads.

But then people might use them on marine armies! And that' there is heresy!

Given the main difference between Astartes and Sororitas heads? Really, its more like Hairesy.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Given the main difference between Astartes and Sororitas heads? Really, its more like Hairesy.

Well, ideally, future sisters models will have more to tell themselves apart from space marines than boobplates.

Like feminine features you see in the artwork, and fire. Lots and lots of fire.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If we want to argue it needs to be aimed up then you'd be arguing an unneeded nerf on an army that really doesn't deserve that.

I am not arguing it needs to be aimed up. I am arguing that applying the rules as written by GW would be so catastrophically bad that it would make it completely, utterly useless. Nobody will ever do that. But it shows how GW is bad at writing rules.

Why on earth would I like my exorcist to just NOT WORK AT ALL? I like the model, and it is quite good as is. What I would like is for GW to put up something to give a clear explanation on this field of fire thing. Or possibly make the exorcist indirect fire, or anti-air (but still with an extra rule to mention no field of fire non-sense).