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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/13 15:46:06
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Furyou Miko wrote:Given the main difference between Astartes and Sororitas heads? Really, its more like Hairesy.
Hey leave the Space Wolves out of this
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@MrFlutterPie - That's not currently a service we offer, but you can purchase quality miniatures from us..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 19:21:01
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Found this earlier this morning through some digging around and nearly choked on my cereal:
Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable.
I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong.
Here's some bits of info:
- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.
- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.
- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.
Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:
Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.
Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.
Adeptus Mechanicus.
30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.
Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.
Then WFB 9th rules.
Horus Heresy releases
Mark 9 Power armoured marines.
WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.
Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).
This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.
So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 19:55:24
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Dodgy rumor with Sisters after AdMech and 30k and Mk.9 PASM and a host of WFB stff? That's a lot less unbelievable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 21:10:54
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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ClockworkZion wrote:Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable. I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong. […] This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof. So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 21:57:44
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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The plot thickens so it seems.
And the stuff stated by Clockwork seems to be rumors that match up with whats being said already this year such as Admech, the new Power Armor, and the HH Plastic box that just came out as a rumor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 02:02:37
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Its just good to see that there are still SoB rumors still coming out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 03:32:18
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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So Lords of Wargaming says no Sisters this year, but at the same time I'm hearing that they're straight up wrong.
I'm starting to enjoy the rumor arguments more than the rumor details.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 03:56:15
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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MWHistorian wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Andilus Greatsword wrote:The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.
Oddly, when I use my Sisters of Battle against my mom, Penitent Engines and Repentia are 2 of the top 3 units she devotes excessive firepower to destroying. The top 1 unit in all cases is a Battle Conclave, which is understandable given how badly my Battle Conclave slaughtered her big unit of Honor Guard in the first game with the 2011 WD dex in 5e (back when power swords just ignored armor saves instead of being AP3, so nowadays against the Honor Guard I'd be better off bringing a whole bunch of Arco-Flagellants to force a mass of saves, than I would the DCAs).
I think she got frightened of the Repentia when I described the fluff about them carrying enormous chainswords that can cut tanks in half. And she's frightened of the Penitent Engines because when they get into melee with pretty much anything she uses, that unit tends to get wiped out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 04:19:13
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Battle Conclaves (with two Priests especially) are mini-terrors.
That aside the current version of Repentia are really not that good. Interesting in theory but less so in practice.
I could see Penitent Engines mostly working because of target prioritization mainly, but I'd need to get some assembled and so far the only method I've heard that works consistently is solder.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 04:21:23
Subject: Re:SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Well, Hope and Faith are a powerful force, and I have both (much to my misfortune!) when it comes to a possible new Sisters of Battle codex.
A couple things for me:
1. Militarum Tempestus: GW has shown that they are comfortable releasing a codex with only what, 2-3 units in it? I could point at Imperial Knights with only 1 unit as well. I'd be happy if all they gave me was a Sister Superior, a Sister Troops, Seraphim, and an Immolator. 4 unit entries, all in plastic.
2. I believe the Sisters of Battle are the only remaining army from 5th/6th that has not been updated outside of White Dwarf? GW either needs to drop them entirely, or support them with some new stuff. See point one above. If GW is willing to make a whole new army out of nothing, then Sisters of Battle should be a no-brainer for them.
Only time will tell, and I will still have hope and faith that GW will come out with new Sisters of Battle worthy to be played on the table.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 04:35:05
Subject: Re:SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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I'm hoping for sisters this year, but at the same time I tend to suspect we're seeing a lot of rumors of them more because with all the other armies handled it's a "decent guess" more then anything reliable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 04:35:11
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Hastings confirmed that as far as he knows no Sisters this year. Doesn't mean the thread is dead, it just means if they're coming he doesn't know of them yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 05:24:38
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Confessor Of Sins
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ClockworkZion wrote:Battle Conclaves (with two Priests especially) are mini-terrors.
That aside the current version of Repentia are really not that good. Interesting in theory but less so in practice.
I could see Penitent Engines mostly working because of target prioritization mainly, but I'd need to get some assembled and so far the only method I've heard that works consistently is solder.
Penitent Engines are the most frustrating miniatures I've ever tried to build. I had to take a break of a few weeks after my first attempt so I wouldn't hurl the hunk of metal at the opposite wall (which had a window). Then when I came back, I mixed up a large amount of modelling putty and used it, along with a decent helping of superglue, to hold the parts together. Definitely a 0/10 for attractiveness as a miniature with the blobs of putty sticking out everywhere, but there's only been one part that's ever broken off (the torso separated from the legs at one point on one of my two).
However this is kinda off-topic so I'll shut up now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 09:50:52
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Confessor Of Sins
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ClockworkZion wrote:Found this earlier this morning through some digging around and nearly choked on my cereal:
Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable.
I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong.
Here's some bits of info:
- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.
- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.
- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.
Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:
Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.
Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.
Adeptus Mechanicus.
30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.
Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.
Then WFB 9th rules.
Horus Heresy releases
Mark 9 Power armoured marines.
WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.
Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).
This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.
So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.
So, i have some additional info for this (Again, take as you will):
- I also heard just yesterday evening that the successful 30K HH range from Forgeworld is porting over to GW and 40k.
They will be releasing the skitarii (most common, basic admech Unit - Forgeworld don't have them) with that release.
- "New power armour coming" I heard that as MK2-3-4 etc coming out with the HH stuff (Box of Heresy Marines with all the armours basically)
- Not much word at all on sisters... But most likely in Fall, after / during / with the Chaos box set we've been hearing about.
Some other good things coming but i've not heard anything about this last one so i'd leave it as the above.
Not as positive for Sisters as i'd hoped, but as long as the stories keep coming we'll probably know more after this new "30K big jump" coming up....
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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 12:24:44
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 14:05:57
Subject: Re:SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Tamwulf wrote:2. I believe the Sisters of Battle are the only remaining army from 5th/6th that has not been updated outside of White Dwarf?
3rd actually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 15:49:13
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Sisters do have a digital codex for 6th edition but in that have no new models, and the rules in places are worse than previous versions (seriously, how do you make Repentia worse? :( )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 16:25:26
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Repentia Mistress
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ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters do have a digital codex for 6th edition but in that have no new models, and the rules in places are worse than previous versions (seriously, how do you make Repentia worse? :( )
I guess you could cut down those Eviscerators into chainswords.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 17:32:32
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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andrewm9 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters do have a digital codex for 6th edition but in that have no new models, and the rules in places are worse than previous versions (seriously, how do you make Repentia worse? :( )
I guess you could cut down those Eviscerators into chainswords.
I was complaining more about the change from 5th to 6th where they lost FnP. If they went from Eviscerators to Heavy Chainswords (like one person recommended) then I'd be pretty mad. They were one of the only good close combat units we could bring and we don't need to make them worse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 17:35:03
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Hallowed Canoness
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ClockworkZion wrote:If they went from Eviscerators to Heavy Chainswords (like one person recommended) then I'd be pretty mad.
Even if they went down to 2ppm in the process?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 17:36:00
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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ClockworkZion wrote: andrewm9 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters do have a digital codex for 6th edition but in that have no new models, and the rules in places are worse than previous versions (seriously, how do you make Repentia worse? :( )
I guess you could cut down those Eviscerators into chainswords.
I was complaining more about the change from 5th to 6th where they lost FnP. If they went from Eviscerators to Heavy Chainswords (like one person recommended) then I'd be pretty mad. They were one of the only good close combat units we could bring and we don't need to make them worse.
You are right we don't. I was just saying it can always get worse. Repentia have always been one fo those units that don't quite see much use as they don't have much of one in a regular game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 17:40:01
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The issue with Repentia is loading them with rules and making them pay for all of that chrome. T3 Sv- Repentia cannot cost T4 Sv3+ Space Marine points, so anything over 12 points is too much.
Bring the points down to the 10-12 ppm range, and tailor the rules to the points cost, and they'll be fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 17:51:41
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JohnHwangDD wrote:The issue with Repentia is loading them with rules and making them pay for all of that chrome. T3 Sv- Repentia cannot cost T4 Sv3+ Space Marine points, so anything over 12 points is too much.
Bring the points down to the 10-12 ppm range, and tailor the rules to the points cost, and they'll be fine.
Even at 12 points they still won't thave much of a use. Really its not about the cost so much as to what is their purpose really? They seem to be aimed at assult but they are too slow at Initiative 1 and have almost no defenses to speak of. What kind of assault unit is that? They cannot really perform except perhaps once a game.Even a weaponless Dreadnaught can take 2 or 3 of them out before they can do anything about it. Anyway enough about Repentia. I have digressed considerably.
I don't have much faith in any of these rumors suggestign they come out. I really can't at this point. I don't want to invest myself in that they migth be true only to be wrong (again!). I would love for them to be out, becuase at this point any nonsense about them lacking the ability ot make them rings false at this point looking at Wyches, Harlequins, and other models of their ilk. I'm ready to buy a ton of models that would receive my undivided attention painting them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 18:25:27
Subject: SoB codex rumors, natfka, bring lots of salt
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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To 12ppm with only a 6++?
Yeah, no. Maybe at 8ppm WITH FnP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 19:09:31
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andrewm9 wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:The issue with Repentia is loading them with rules and making them pay for all of that chrome. T3 Sv- Repentia cannot cost T4 Sv3+ Space Marine points, so anything over 12 points is too much.
Bring the points down to the 10-12 ppm range, and tailor the rules to the points cost, and they'll be fine.
Even at 12 points they still won't thave much of a use. Really its not about the cost so much as to what is their purpose really? They seem to be aimed at assult but they are too slow at Initiative 1 and have almost no defenses to speak of. What kind of assault unit is that? They cannot really perform except perhaps once a game.Even a weaponless Dreadnaught can take 2 or 3 of them out before they can do anything about it. Anyway enough about Repentia. I have digressed considerably.
I don't have much faith in any of these rumors suggestign they come out. I really can't at this point. I don't want to invest myself in that they migth be true only to be wrong (again!). I would love for them to be out, becuase at this point any nonsense about them lacking the ability ot make them rings false at this point looking at Wyches, Harlequins, and other models of their ilk. I'm ready to buy a ton of models that would receive my undivided attention painting them.
I agree that Repentia are a problem unit, and would prefer to see them around 10 pts. They are an assault unit (no guns), and they hit pretty hard with S6 AP2, but you are correct that they're not really good at it due to their fragility. 5++ "Emperor Protects" / FNP / "Faith" save would help, but it won't solve the fundamental viability issues of a naked human armed with nothing but a chainsword.
Also, the technical ability to make Sisters has been demonstrated years ago, with the Shadow Warriors / Sisters of Avelorn and other cloaked Elf models. If GW can make those RnF models for WFB, they can make Sisters of Battle in plastic. It's always been a business case of selling a niche army. Harlequins getting a "Codex" kinda puts the lie to that, though in fairness, I think the old Harlequin models predate the 2E Sisters models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 19:25:54
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No. To 2 ppm. Maybe 3 ppm would be more reasonable though. That makes taking 20 of them a 60 point investment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 19:47:32
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Heh. 3ppm?
Repentia - WS2 BS2 S3 T2 W1 I1 A1 Ld7 Sv-
Equipment: Chainsword
Chainsword is bulky, resulting in WS2 I1 A1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 20:54:25
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andrewm9 wrote:
Even at 12 points they still won't thave much of a use. Really its not about the cost so much as to what is their purpose really? They seem to be aimed at assult but they are too slow at Initiative 1 and have almost no defenses to speak of. What kind of assault unit is that? They cannot really perform except perhaps once a game.Even a weaponless Dreadnaught can take 2 or 3 of them out before they can do anything about it. Anyway enough about Repentia. I have digressed considerably.
You say that, but the thing is, it only takes on average, 3 or 4 Repentia to kill a knight in a single turn.There are very few things that hit as hard as Repentia in close combat, and the fact that when Repentia charge they get four attacks each - five with the Sacred Standard in range - it really doesn't matter that only 2 will get to swing on average from a squad of 10 assaulting, because those two models hit harder than most full-strength squads.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 21:00:28
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Hmm.... and Raging Heroes just recently announced a bump to its Order of Eternal Mercy line. I wonder if GW has finally realized that, yes, there is competition in the marketplace.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 22:01:42
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So with the 'reliable' rumor people shooting down a SoB release, is this thread dead?
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