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Seeing the nerd rage thats apparent with WFB moving to round bases and the perhaps significant fluff change, would yall suggest waiting on starting a WFB army? I just DLd the Kings of War rules. Man they are simple. I kinda like them. Arent mantic minis quite a bit cheaper too?

I'm in a similar boat to you, doktor_g. I still haven't committed to getting the 7th edition of 40k and my interest is just eroding away for that game (after many, many years of enjoyment). I'm still a huge fan of GW's models, so I started looking heavily into WHFB about two months ago.

The potential changes coming to the game are quite dramatic, if everything pans out as rumored in April. With that in mind, I'd say holding off right now is the safest bet. If the new, sleeker 9th edition is something that people actually enjoy (and is largely incompatible with 8th- at least that will become the direction of the game in years to come no doubt), then you can just jump straight into that. If it's not, then you can determine if you'd be able to pull together a group for KoW.

My best advice is stick in holding pattern; maybe decide what sort of WHFB kits you'd like to snatch up for conversions once the next edition drops!

 doktor_g wrote:
Seeing the nerd rage thats apparent with WFB moving to round bases and the perhaps significant fluff change, would yall suggest waiting on starting a WFB army? I just DLd the Kings of War rules. Man they are simple. I kinda like them. Arent mantic minis quite a bit cheaper too?

All I have to say is that the Mantic miniatures are cheaper for very good reason.

(That said I'd advise waiting for WHFB, we have no idea what form it'll take with the revisions rumoured)

I'd definitely wait. I was considering buying a couple of new regiments for my O&G's to try and get back in to it but now I'm waiting as well.

I would wait too. Things so much up in the air right now, and with the cost...

I wouldn't put any stock in rumors that Fantasy is switching to round bases.

The only models that are seen on round bases are two models that have really weird rules, they're from an old book, and one that is known for having whacky

I sincerely believe that all thats happening is that Screaming Bells and Plague Furnaces are getting a major change in how they work. Everything else is remaining the same. Especially since in that same leaked photo, there is another model on a square base. Until we see an existing rank and file unit on round bases we can't assume anything.

I vote that it depends on what army your looking at.

Elves- might get condensed but arnt going anywhere
Undead - prolly get condensed but arnt going anywhere
Brets/ Empire/ Dwarfs- Will most certainly get condensed (looing at you Bretts)

Might not start ogres because they prolly getting squished into a book, no telling how much. Hopefully all the cool stuff makes it (duh).

Wouldnt start Orcs because they probably not getting any more love ever.

Chaos is fine, Skaven is fine.

Are you really going to cower on the sidelines whilst the End Times are goin down? Pick an army that is doted upon in an end times book. Buy a couple of old boxes a couple of new boxes and an end times mega monster and wage some war! Any army in an End Times book will be fine in 9th edition.

z

Cauthon wrote:


Are you really going to cower on the sidelines whilst the End Times are goin down? Pick an army that is doted upon in an end times book. Buy a couple of old boxes a couple of new boxes and an end times mega monster and wage some war! Any army in an End Times book will be fine in 9th edition.

z

If you don't already have stuff I wouldn't do this. I'd hold off. If rumours of 9th in may are true he has what 4 months to buy, build, learn the rules, possibly paint, and play before it all gets possibly changed? I mean you figure 1 month (depending on army) to purchase, assemble & read the rules. Another 1 or 2 before you really understand the rules to any decent level then he has 1-2 months of play time before potentially the rules get completely rebuilt. Holding is the better option at the moment if you don't already have a decent set of models.

My feeling is simply that, this is a very costly game. If they're going to change everything, waiting on buying anything is the smartest thing to do.

Especially if either units or factions are going to be taken out.

 doktor_g wrote:
Seeing the nerd rage thats apparent with WFB moving to round bases and the perhaps significant fluff change, would yall suggest waiting on starting a WFB army? I just DLd the Kings of War rules. Man they are simple. I kinda like them. Arent mantic minis quite a bit cheaper too?

Pretty much don't do anything drastic. The Kings of War rules are pretty nice, I like them too. I really like the not removing casualties and instead units have hit points, it reminds me of Warlord's "Hail Caesar." The way warhammer handled casualties was always problematic and extremely un-historic.

when the 1st end times book came out, i was surprised. the way GW had advertised it, the various phrases, and so on made it seem to me, that warhammer was actually ending, and this was its send off. since then, the tag lines have changed but its all along the lines of "never the same again" and "everything will change" - having read through alot of the stuff thats been posted in the books, and assembling the rumors it definitly looks like whfb is done. i dont believe gw will kill it. and i dont think they are going to "axe" any particular army. but the switch to round bases makes sense. as does the inlcusion of larger and larger monsters. but what im wondering:

if they indeed do go with a smaller skirmish game, whats to become of the expensive kits everyone bought for ET, such as nagash, glottkin, the mortarchs, verminlords etc. these are all expensive 1 model kits, that are obviously fresh. gw does not have a history of making new kits, then invalidating them. instead, they tend to spam them like crazy in the next ruleset. example, the stormraven in 40k. initially it was only GK and BA who could have it. then all the marines got it, and now its part of strike forces and detachment combos.

here is my prediction:

the game will change to round bases.
the game will change its composistion to be simaler to 40k, in a "take whatever you want" kind of game, up to a points level. with certain scenarios restricting choices. pretty much fantasy "unbound"
the larger kits, like nagash etc, will all be put into strike groups, whatever. larger points games will be common, but UNIT sizes will be smaller. so the hoard option will be gone, unless you have undead or lizards. much like how, in 40k 10 man units are common, but IG/nids/orks get up to 30 or more. weather players take that many per unit depends on how comp works.
combat will be intended to be quicker, with the intent being to have a charge, fight, someone breaks, chase, over. the longer "grinding" combats will be less likley.

as for factions, i think it will be a bunch of stuff in one book, and depending on your lord/hero choice it will unlock other units as core etc. so IE: a beastlord hero will unlock bestigors as core, and keep chaos warriors as special, whereas taking a chaos lord unlocks the warriors as core, and so on.

i see the elves obviously being combined into one book, but with various sub lists. very much like the older "craftworld eldar" book that came out a while back. chaos makes sense to combine demons, woc and beastmen. humans and dwarfs together also make a smidge of sense, wich would also include the brets. for skaven, ogres, and lizards... hard to say. skaven may have a solo book, or could likley get combined with orks. in a sort of 2 parter. but i dont see GW giving us a free book. (buy skaven get orks free? from gw? not likley) so individual books for those 3. the new super humans get included with the human book.

for sure dont buy anything new.... lest it be totally changed when the new rules hit.

My prediction is bugger all guna change, and as soon as new ed hits people who are holding off now will go into a frenzy when their armies are safe...

Ultimately I started whfb again now. Got parts of a HE army and will be getting some lizardmen also

Also, I hope both armies get squatted with all this nonsense so that I can come you with some bad ass custom fluff...

My HE will rebel against Mankini , feth athel loren and living with hippies, and go settle on some new island where they can look down their noses at everyone else, be all shiny and awesome.

Lizards... Umm dinosaurs...

The smart thing to do would probably be to wait. But then the smart thing to do would be not to spend money on plastic toy solidiers at all sooo...

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

Cauthon wrote:


Are you really going to cower on the sidelines whilst the End Times are goin down? Pick an army that is doted upon in an end times book. Buy a couple of old boxes a couple of new boxes and an end times mega monster and wage some war! Any army in an End Times book will be fine in 9th edition.

z

If you don't already have stuff I wouldn't do this. I'd hold off. If rumours of 9th in may are true he has what 4 months to buy, build, learn the rules, possibly paint, and play before it all gets possibly changed? I mean you figure 1 month (depending on army) to purchase, assemble & read the rules. Another 1 or 2 before you really understand the rules to any decent level then he has 1-2 months of play time before potentially the rules get completely rebuilt. Holding is the better option at the moment if you don't already have a decent set of models.

You could very well not even have finished painting the army by the time the changes roll around

I'm hoping the game won't change too much, the main thing WHFB needs is a few MINOR changes to improve scaling down to lower points values, but I wouldn't be advising anyone to start given The End Times and the rumours of a new edition with major changes.

To be fair i don't see how a change in rules is going to affect new players who are thinking of starting out...
I have thought about his and I am going ahead with my army collection regardless...

After all, if one hasn't played a lot of WFB by the time one collects and paint your army, then the new rules will be as good as any. Its the miniatures people are attracted to at the end of the day.

Sure your army might get nerfed but.. who cares? it happens all the time..

I don't think there will be any major mega change which will invalidate armies coz that would be dumb... sure some stuff might get rolled up into mega factions (I'm looking at undead, elves and humans here ). But the army and army book will always be there soo... who cares ?

To those considering...


It's an amazing and fun game, but i'll be honest with you, you need opponents. Established groups (like mine, where everyone has 2+ armies) can easily say "Fock you GW, we're stickin' with 8th". If you don't have an established local group willing to do that, you might run into issues finding people willing to play 8th still.

So... i recommend the game, but it's not the ideal time to be breaking into WHFB, i'll be completely honest. It seems like the very foundations of the game are going to get shaken, and you need to honestly be okay with every dollar you put into this game at this point in time is very possibly going to be invalidated and useless to the new edition in 6 months time if the rumors are to be believed.

I hope i'm wrong, but honest warning.

 Argive wrote:
To be fair i don't see how a change in rules is going to affect new players who are thinking of starting out...
I have thought about his and I am going ahead with my army collection regardless...

Well the changes being suggested are quite large, I'd be worried about buying models that are no longer valid.or useful.

Sure your army might get nerfed but.. who cares? it happens all the time..

This happens in 40k more than it happens in WHFB. In all the years I've had WHFB there's never been a large difference between what I had previously and what works in the new edition. 8th was probably the biggest one that required changes to my armies (which I didn't make and just stopped playing instead), but 5th through 7th (that's 1996 to 2010, so around 14 years) I never really felt "damn it my army has been nerfed!".

I don't think there will be any major mega change which will invalidate armies coz that would be dumb

At this point I wouldn't put anything past GW. They are are a stupid company which is on the back foot as profits are falling so I fully expect them to do increasingly dumb things.


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 Haight wrote:
Established groups (like mine, where everyone has 2+ armies) can easily say "Fock you GW, we're stickin' with 8th".

When 8th rolled around I had quite a large group who said "Feth you GW, we're sticking with 7th" and after a few months most people had just quit.

People willing to continue a game after it looses support do exist but they are few and far between.

 Argive wrote:
To be fair i don't see how a change in rules is going to affect new players who are thinking of starting out...
I have thought about his and I am going ahead with my army collection regardless...

After all, if one hasn't played a lot of WFB by the time one collects and paint your army, then the new rules will be as good as any. Its the miniatures people are attracted to at the end of the day.

Sure your army might get nerfed but.. who cares? it happens all the time..

I don't think there will be any major mega change which will invalidate armies coz that would be dumb... sure some stuff might get rolled up into mega factions (I'm looking at undead, elves and humans here ). But the army and army book will always be there soo... who cares ?

This isn't about unit blocks becoming better or calvary being boosted- the changes are rumored to alter almost every aspect of the game, even down to the size of the armies you play and the bases you mount the models on. Many have pointed out that what *may* be coming isn't really WHFB at all, it's just the same in name.

WHFB is just too expensive to purchase kits that are all made redundant in less than three months. And sure, people will say "you can still play 8th!," this is obviously true. But that statement is the same as "you can still play 7th!" when 8th edition came out- it's an option but not one people often utilized (especially if this new edition actually succeeds in bringing in new players).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Argive wrote:
To be fair i don't see how a change in rules is going to affect new players who are thinking of starting out...
I have thought about his and I am going ahead with my army collection regardless...

Well the changes being suggested are quite large, I'd be worried about buying models that are no longer valid.or useful.

Sure your army might get nerfed but.. who cares? it happens all the time..

This happens in 40k more than it happens in WHFB. In all the years I've had WHFB there's never been a large difference between what I had previously and what works in the new edition. 8th was probably the biggest one that required changes to my armies (which I didn't make and just stopped playing instead), but 5th through 7th (that's 1996 to 2010, so around 14 years) I never really felt "damn it my army has been nerfed!".

I don't think there will be any major mega change which will invalidate armies coz that would be dumb

At this point I wouldn't put anything past GW. They are are a stupid company which is on the back foot as profits are falling so I fully expect them to do increasingly dumb things.


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 Haight wrote:
Established groups (like mine, where everyone has 2+ armies) can easily say "Fock you GW, we're stickin' with 8th".

When 8th rolled around I had quite a large group who said "Feth you GW, we're sticking with 7th" and after a few months most people had just quit.

People willing to continue a game after it looses support do exist but they are few and far between.

Welp, seeing as my 4 most often opponents are my four best friends, we're all in our 30's, and we play 95% of our games at my house / in my basement, i'm pretty confidant in my groups ability to play 8th if we want to.

But, i do agree: if you're relying on a game store crowd, they're going to shift with the tide eventually. I knew a lot of people that nerd-raged out when WM went from MK1 to MK2 for various reasons and vowed to continue to play MK1. Lasted like, i dunno, 2 months, if that.

Here's the thing on 9th: if they eradicate the large scale game, then its real easy to continue with 8th. If they make a whole rule set that requires rebasing 13k of elves (and my friends 11k of rats, and my other friends 9k of OnG and 10k of dwarves.... etc) onto round bases, its going to be super easy to stick with 8th. If they drop 9th and they give us vets a way to play large scale games without having to rebase, literally, thousands of dollars of models, we'll move to 9th.