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I was a sniper and im not a coward. Ill go against anyone in anyway that makes them feel safe. I became a sniper because I'm a good shot and it was recommended that I should try out. Being a sniper isn't cowardly or brave. Its a tactic. A job. Just like artillery or tanks or a machine gunner(my primary MOS). a military is there to win while taking as little damage as possible
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Everyone's hero Bill Maher has weighed in, referring to Kyle as a 'psychopath'.

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I was a sniper as well, I would rather be called a psychopath than a coward.

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First, Maher says Muslims are killers, then he gets butthurt because Kyle refers to Iraqis as savages. What is the term for his particular psychiatric condition?
   
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 conker249 wrote:
I was a sniper as well, I would rather be called a psychopath than a coward.

Well, I was never a sniper, but I deployed/employed them. I also had a lot of say as to who we sent to sniper training. It was ALWAYS the mature, calm guy with a ton of initiative who could endure whatever. He became my eyes forward and inevitably got the tough NAI/TAI to cover and report on. Their ability to infiltrate early and deep and get used as part of a 'reconnaissance pull' for the patrol/main force behind them and accurately report was what made them shine.

'Psychos' and 'cowards' were not who I would entrust with those missions.


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While I wouldn't go as far as calling Chris Kyle a psychopath, it should be clear to anyone that he was suffering from some significant mental issues.

I do think that the help he gave to other veterans was as much a way to help them as it was to help himself.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
While I wouldn't go as far as calling Chris Kyle a psychopath, it should be clear to anyone that he was suffering from some significant mental issues.

I do think that the help he gave to other veterans was as much a way to help them as it was to help himself.

I finished his book... that's exactly what he (and others) said.

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 CptJake wrote:
 conker249 wrote:
I was a sniper as well, I would rather be called a psychopath than a coward.

Well, I was never a sniper, but I deployed/employed them. I also had a lot of say as to who we sent to sniper training. It was ALWAYS the mature, calm guy with a ton of initiative who could endure whatever. He became my eyes forward and inevitably got the tough NAI/TAI to cover and report on. Their ability to infiltrate early and deep and get used as part of a 'reconnaissance pull' for the patrol/main force behind them and accurately report was what made them shine.

'Psychos' and 'cowards' were not who I would entrust with those missions.


I was saying between coward or psychopath, though would rather not be called either. My major job was recon, observing, and relaying the information gathered.

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This is one of my favorite answers that I have seen to Moore:

"Green Beret sniper Bryan Sikes took some time to pen a letter to Moore that absolutely destroyed him in an incredibly hilarious and fabulous way.

Mr. Moore-

Good afternoon there sweetheart, I hope this finds you alive and well. You can thank our men and women of the armed forces for that, by the way, and that also includes us cowardly snipers. It seems you’ve found time between licking the jelly off your fingers and releasing your grasp of a bear claw to tweet some junk about snipers being cowards.

My buddies and I got a good laugh over the tweet, so I thank you. For a guy worth $50 million dollars, you sure have quite a bit to bitch and cry about. I guess like a moth to flame, you too gravitate towards things that are popular and in the moment — in this case it’s snipers. Too bad for you that your attempt at being relevant via your 70+ year old family experience has failed. It has only made you look dumber than a bag of hammers. Next time you should try something more original than going after snipers for one reason or another…that was so last month.

It’s typical of “men” like you to criticize the intestinal fortitude, focus, discipline and patriotism of a sniper. It must stem from an inferiority complex or something. But hey, it’s okay cupcake. We snipers are thick skinned and the efforts of world class turds such as yourself to portray us in a negative light only makes us laugh. If you and I were in the same room, I’d throw you a smile and gently pat you on the head knowing you’re nothing more than a mouth breathing, Crisco sweating waste of space not even worthy of being in the presence of a sniper. It’s almost funny how people like you preach things like ‘acceptance’ and ‘not passing judgement’ or ‘labeling people’, but then are the first to do so when a person is in some way dissimilar from you.

So tenderfoot, I leave you with this final thought: what if you found yourself in some sort of hostage situation where you were held at knife-point by some crazed person and they were dead set on making an example of you by bleeding you out on Hollywood Blvd in front of the world, and the only way out was with the precision aimed fire of a sniper? Would you want that coward to take the shot? Because knowing how you feel about snipers such as myself and your hatred of firearms, I’d probably drop the mag, roll the bolt and go get a Jack & Coke before helping you out.

Very Respectfully,

Sikes"

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Any reply that basically consists of "you can say whatever you want because you are a [string of various childish insults] and we are so [string of various descriptions of how fething awesome said person is] with an optional invitation for Moore to [die in some sort of way, possibly with the help of the fething awesome guy being too fething awesome to save his life]" just makes be picture two chimps that are busy masturbating to how awesome they are while flinging crap at the other one.
   
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Yeah, I'm sure you worry about your wife, your kids, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Michael Moore. You know, the important things.

It’s typical of “men” like you to criticize the intestinal fortitude, focus, discipline and patriotism of a sniper. It must stem from an inferiority complex or something.


Not a line of criticism I would take, as it is easily reversed.

So tenderfoot, I leave you with this final thought: what if you found yourself in some sort of hostage situation where you were held at knife-point by some crazed person and they were dead set on making an example of you by bleeding you out on Hollywood Blvd in front of the world, and the only way out was with the precision aimed fire of a sniper?


I don't believe the tenderfoot would be able to make that call.


Would you want that coward to take the shot? Because knowing how you feel about snipers such as myself and your hatred of firearms, I’d probably drop the mag, roll the bolt and go get a Jack & Coke before helping you out.


So you would be unprofessional?

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Moore's comments were silly, but Sikes' view that people who have fought in the American military are more of a 'patriot' than non-combatants, is equally as daft.

To the best of my knowledge, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison et al, never picked up a musket, but where would the USA be without them?

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Former Presidential Candidate Howard Dean is saying the people who watched it are angry Tea Party members

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 Jihadin wrote:
Former Presidential Candidate Howard Dean is saying the people who watched it are angry Tea Party members

Guess the Tea Party grew exponentially and no one noticed

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Former Presidential Candidate Howard Dean is saying the people who watched it are angry Tea Party members

Guess the Tea Party grew exponentially and no one noticed


Only in fly over states with little electoral college representation.


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 d-usa wrote:
Any reply that basically consists of "you can say whatever you want because you are a [string of various childish insults] and we are so [string of various descriptions of how fething awesome said person is] with an optional invitation for Moore to [die in some sort of way, possibly with the help of the fething awesome guy being too fething awesome to save his life]" just makes be picture two chimps that are busy masturbating to how awesome they are while flinging crap at the other one.

I disagree...

The only proper response is to mock folks like Moore.

That is a stellar response.

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That guy is just like Moore:

-thinks he is awesome
-can't make an argument without resorting to personal attacks
-seeks attention by posting stupid stuff online

Their respective fans look at this trash and go "Moore/military guy totally owned military guy/Moore", but the majority of people will see it for the crap slinging rest of stupidity that it really is.
   
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I won't resort to name calling. Everyone already knows who Moore is. It's just annoying when people comment on something they don't understand
   
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So, that guy says that, because Micheal Moore is fat and wOrth 50mil, he can't comment on the military.
As I have said before, it passes me off how sacred the military is, that if a vet says he is a vet and fought for your freedoms, you can't criticize anything he does. How in some cases vets are considered saints and above you.
Sometimes it feels as if they are just a govt fraternity, thinking themselves better then you because they are a part of it.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, that guy says that, because Micheal Moore is fat and wOrth 50mil, he can't comment on the military.
As I have said before, it passes me off how sacred the military is, that if a vet says he is a vet and fought for your freedoms, you can't criticize anything he does. How in some cases vets are considered saints and above you.
Sometimes it feels as if they are just a govt fraternity, thinking themselves better then you because they are a part of it.


He is of course free to criticize anyone and everyone. We are also free to point out that he is a complete arsehole and ignorant fethwhit.

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 d-usa wrote:
That guy is just like Moore:

-thinks he is awesome
-can't make an argument without resorting to personal attacks
-seeks attention by posting stupid stuff online

Their respective fans look at this trash and go "Moore/military guy totally owned military guy/Moore", but the majority of people will see it for the crap slinging rest of stupidity that it really is.


He's worse really. He makes a claim to high patriotism and discipline, while in same breath saying he'd intentionally neglect his duty based on the hostage's opinion of him, his tools and his profession. You could only neglect your duty in that way if you were purely motivated by your own ego, where the only thing that matters is that others think of you highly enough. There is no room for even a silver of the virtues he claims to have at the start of rant, in the actions he describes at the end.

Moore may be a dick who thinks he's awesome, but he doesn't seem to hold up that dickishness as proof of the virtue he holds over the common man.

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I agree, but it's the opening line, the "you are safe because we made you safe, so you can't criticize me" kinda cap I hear too often. I have to be honest, I love the military, but I hate how they are treated as above approach in america.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I agree, but it's the opening line, the "you are safe because we made you safe, so you can't criticize me" kinda cap I hear too often. I have to be honest, I love the military, but I hate how they are treated as above approach in america.


I think thats more of frustration that military people get because a lot of civilians genuinely don't appreciate them and what they do. I'm sure most military people wouldn't actually do such an unprofessional thing in a hostage situation. I'm sure they'd be happy to make sure Moore lived through the irony and had to eat all that humble pie.

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 Jihadin wrote:
Former Presidential Candidate Howard Dean is saying the people who watched it are angry Tea Party members


That isn't what he said, he said:

There’s a lot of anger in this country, and the people who go see this movie are people who are very angry...


...and...

I bet you if you looked at the cross-section of the tea party and people who see this movie there’s a lot of intersection...


Still stupid, but there is no reason to misrepresent Dean's words.

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 dogma wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Former Presidential Candidate Howard Dean is saying the people who watched it are angry Tea Party members


That isn't what he said, he said:

There’s a lot of anger in this country, and the people who go see this movie are people who are very angry...


...and...

I bet you if you looked at the cross-section of the tea party and people who see this movie there’s a lot of intersection...


Still stupid, but there is no reason to misrepresent Dean's words.


That actually sounds worse.

Whats the deal? Its just a movie about a dude. A movie that has no wiener dogs in it whatsoever.
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 Grey Templar wrote:

I think thats more of frustration that military people get because a lot of civilians genuinely don't appreciate them and what they do.


Conversely, guys like Sikes forget the work civilians do for them.

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Well I can't speak for everyone of course but I didn't join the military for people's appreciation or to be treated better. Like I said he called snipers cowards and he has never done anything like that. I don't comment on policies in other countries because I don't live there. And I dont comment on things I haven't experienced.
   
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Exhibit #bajillon of media agendas...




The media participant like Mohyeldin are freaking the feth out about this... they keep pushing that patriotism redefined as jingoism, that any "service" redefined as colonial imperialism, and the notion that somehow we have an exceptional duty to bring and support freedom and liberty in the world is disparaged. Anyone who serves in the military is being oppressed by the patriarchy... I guess.

And recently, anyone who serves with distinction is an unhinged killer.

O.o

Am I missing something?

It's like they're terrified that this movie could capture the hearts and minds of Americans...

Kyle's exploits in his Military career isn't what's resonating with the public imo... it's the fact that our sheltered world views is being shattered when confronted with the harsh realities of war... and also the challenges our service men/women face back home.

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 whembly wrote:
it's the fact that our sheltered world views is being shattered when confronted with the harsh realities of war... and also the challenges our service men/women face back home.


Well, all that's OK, so long as that forces us to "support the troops" the way we do currently: with twitter posts and facebook updates and empty slogans and watching movies, not with, like, reforming the VA or expanding pay and benefits to them or, god help me, not being so willing to send them abroad in the first place to participate in foreign adventures that accomplish nothing useful for the US.


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