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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Come on everyone knows Sigmar is the third alpharius

Alpha, omega, sigma

hahaha awesome!

 KingGarland wrote:

lcmiracle wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
WHAT DRAIGO IS IN WHFB WHAT HAVE I MISSED!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/631993.page this thread explains everything... mostly, sort of, kinda, not really everything...

The short version is the Araloth (a wood elf) is sent into the realm of chaos(the warp) to rescue Shallya, basically the human version of Isha, from Nurgle. During the adventure he meets a knight that is said to be a giant of a man, with silver armor, who has been within the warp for a long time and that once opened his palm that made blue flames appear among the daemons.

Isha is also a captive of Nurgle in 40K - out of interest does Araloth mange to rescue that aspect?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

lcmiracle wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
WHAT DRAIGO IS IN WHFB WHAT HAVE I MISSED!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/631993.page this thread explains everything... mostly, sort of, kinda, not really everything...

The short version is the Araloth (a wood elf) is sent into the realm of chaos(the warp) to rescue Shallya, basically the human version of Isha, from Nurgle. During the adventure he meets a knight that is said to be a giant of a man, with silver armor, who has been within the warp for a long time and that once opened his palm that made blue flames appear among the daemons.

Isha is also a captive of Nurgle in 40K - out of interest does Araloth mange to rescue that aspect?

Well... not sure about the Fantasy universe, but in 40K, according to the latest Dark Eldar Codex, Cegorach is the only surviving Eldar gods left alive:

None truly know know this strange being survived the birth of Slaanesh where the other Eldar gods did not. (Codex: Dark Eldar. "Harlequins of the Laughing god". 7th Edition. Digital)

Whether this means that Cegorach is the only Eldar God still in his original form is unknown. However, Isha is probably dead by 40K because according to Lexicanum, at least, that Isha's survival likely just is a fable told only in one craftworld:

However, there is a single Craftworld which tells the tale of Isha surviving her fate, being claimed by Slaanesh as his.

Anyways in the Fantasy Universe, Isha has now merged herself with Ariel and Alarielle, effectively a goner.

Sigmar is categorically not a primarch, he was born and aged normally for a human, he was just a normal person who did great things and crazy stories about his deeds were embellished and added to, all to make him seem God like.

 lcmiracle wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

lcmiracle wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
WHAT DRAIGO IS IN WHFB WHAT HAVE I MISSED!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/631993.page this thread explains everything... mostly, sort of, kinda, not really everything...

The short version is the Araloth (a wood elf) is sent into the realm of chaos(the warp) to rescue Shallya, basically the human version of Isha, from Nurgle. During the adventure he meets a knight that is said to be a giant of a man, with silver armor, who has been within the warp for a long time and that once opened his palm that made blue flames appear among the daemons.

Isha is also a captive of Nurgle in 40K - out of interest does Araloth mange to rescue that aspect?

Well... not sure about the Fantasy universe, but in 40K, according to the latest Dark Eldar Codex, Cegorach is the only surviving Eldar gods left alive:

None truly know know this strange being survived the birth of Slaanesh where the other Eldar gods did not. (Codex: Dark Eldar. "Harlequins of the Laughing god". 7th Edition. Digital)

Whether this means that Cegorach is the only Eldar God still in his original form is unknown. However, Isha is probably dead by 40K because according to Lexicanum, at least, that Isha's survival likely just is a fable told only in one craftworld:

However, there is a single Craftworld which tells the tale of Isha surviving her fate, being claimed by Slaanesh as his.

Anyways in the Fantasy Universe, Isha has now merged herself with Ariel and Alarielle, effectively a goner.

Thanks - well there is the Laughing God, the God that will be (Y'need?) and shattered but still active Khaine.

To me the whole Isha as a captive is interesting as either a fable or part of the idea that all the Eldar Gods are but part of the Chaos Gods anyway as theyr are (or were) warp entities - so they could potentially be reborn / detached from the whole again I guess if it fitted the Powers needs, dsires, whims - some like Khaine are part of several Powers - in his case Khorne and Slaanesh - Isha may be Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Nurgle with Nurgle winning that fight (for now).

Aslo do gods die in 40k if some still believe in them..................one Craftworld believing may be enough to keep an elemetn alive within the greater whole..............or as the Demon Codex says - it may be that Nurgle wants her as a seperate entity.

The latest White Dwarf in its article on Harlequins says that Khorne's fight kept the powers distracted long enough fro the Laughing God to slip into the webway

- unless Tzeentch was happy for it to escape I guess

 Mr Morden wrote:

Thanks - well there is the Laughing God, the God that will be (Y'need?) and shattered but still active Khaine.

To me the whole Isha as a captive is interesting as either a fable or part of the idea that all the Eldar Gods are but part of the Chaos Gods anyway as theyr are (or were) warp entities - so they could potentially be reborn / detached from the whole again I guess if it fitted the Powers needs, dsires, whims - some like Khaine are part of several Powers - in his case Khorne and Slaanesh - Isha may be Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Nurgle with Nurgle winning that fight (for now).

Aslo do gods die in 40k if some still believe in them..................one Craftworld believing may be enough to keep an elemetn alive within the greater whole..............or as the Demon Codex says - it may be that Nurgle wants her as a seperate entity.

The latest White Dwarf in its article on Harlequins says that Khorne's fight kept the powers distracted long enough fro the Laughing God to slip into the webway

- unless Tzeentch was happy for it to escape I guess

I don't think Gods actually dies -- if not enough emotional ripples "resonates" the god's aspect, at most it disperse and its "consciousness" gone. If ever enough of the mortal minds believes/practices the aspect of said God they can "reborn".

On the other hand, the Elven Gods in the Fantasy settings are (once) mortals, so at most they are akin to literal unaligned Daemon Princess, having been "gifted" or "acquired" warp powers. When a Daemon Prince is banished they reform in the warp, on the other hand, in the case of Isha, her memories and personalities were both lost during the merging, so as the God Isha herself (who was once a mortal), she should certainly be dead, she pushed up the daisies, she's gone and met her maker... well, I'm not ashamed.

Of course the aspect of the Elven Gods might be independent from their mortal hosts -- that the aspects are eternal, the hosts simply got shifted around after each cycle. This almost sounds like Ragnarok, where the old Gods die so a new generation could take the formers' place. Which would make sense... some what.

hmm thats really intersting - not read that the Elf (rather than Eldar) Gods were once mortals except in the sense they use mortals as hosts for a small part of themselves - The Phoenix King and Everqueen. The BL books def had them as massive cthuloid entities in the warp and I liked them that way tbh

 Mr Morden wrote:
hmm thats really intersting - not read that the Elf (rather than Eldar) Gods were once mortals except in the sense they use mortals as hosts for a small part of themselves - The Phoenix King and Everqueen. The BL books def had them as massive cthuloid entities in the warp and I liked them that way tbh

Indeed, that "Eldar" part was a mistake on my part, I've corrected that.
While I like to think that Cegorach is a whole C'tan and Khaine is some sort of warp entity, I must say I'm not too convinced that the rest of the Elven Pantheon are "Gods of Chaos" -- that they have no daemons of their own (It would have been plausible that Asuryan is the Chaos God of whatever stuff that's mainly associated with the Elves, and the rest are just Asuryan's chief greater Daemons).

I'd like to see how the End Times deals with the Old World Pantheons (a.k.a. the Human Gods), from what I've gathered so far it's just the Elven gods doing the dying.

no its not old bean, we had the empire god of the forest getting pwned by nurgle, we don't know if he dies though

 lcmiracle wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
hmm thats really intersting - not read that the Elf (rather than Eldar) Gods were once mortals except in the sense they use mortals as hosts for a small part of themselves - The Phoenix King and Everqueen. The BL books def had them as massive cthuloid entities in the warp and I liked them that way tbh

Indeed, that "Eldar" part was a mistake on my part, I've corrected that.
While I like to think that Cegorach is a whole C'tan and Khaine is some sort of warp entity, I must say I'm not too convinced that the rest of the Elven Pantheon are "Gods of Chaos" -- that they have no daemons of their own (It would have been plausible that Asuryan is the Chaos God of whatever stuff that's mainly associated with the Elves, and the rest are just Asuryan's chief greater Daemons).

I'd like to see how the End Times deals with the Old World Pantheons (a.k.a. the Human Gods), from what I've gathered so far it's just the Elven gods doing the dying.

My own theory is rather similar to yours. I believe that the Eldar Gods are the racial memory of the Old Ones from the Eldar. Everything in the material realm has a mirror in the warp, so when the Eldar were created by the Old Ones, they must of seemed like gods. Ergo, the Eldar worshiped them, which created a Warp Entity *based* on the idea of a certain Old One, which grew in power as the Eldar continued to worship him. This works to correct the inconsistencies that Asuryan created the Eldar, but we know it was actually the Old Ones, but it would make sense if Asuryan is simply how a certain Old One was perceived by the Eldar as a god. Another fun idea is that the Laughing God has always been connected to the Deciever by fans, and in some (now retconned) stories they were even interchangable depending on who was telling the story. It is known the Deceiver helped both sides of the War in the Heavens, maybe he wormed his way into Eldar mythology when generation after generation told about a capricious entity who tricked all others? In that way, while Cegorarch and the Deceiver are separate entities, they could both be connected by the racial memory of the Eldar Race.

That's some deep shiz right there.

Loving it.


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Totally believable that the deceiver is both a c'tan and an actual eldar god based on racial memory of the c'tan, just like the nightbringer became humans god of death.