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To the point. I started playing 40k CSM's Iron Warriors in summer 2013. Due to work, I had a pause spring 2014. As of right now 30k is spiking my interest with their sweet models and their fluff&stuff.

Will someone help me with, the 5 W's & how, regarding 30k? The Pros&Cons But without the previously mentioned?

Also can somebody update as to how CSM's and their commanders are reacting to 7th edition, and if there are any counters to said reactions?

As far as I know, WH30k is so compatible with the rules of 40k that you could play them both against each other in the same game.

The site 1d4chan has a pretty solid 30k section that can give you a break down on a lot of the units, weapons, etc.

 Wrecker wrote:
To the point. I started playing 40k CSM's Iron Warriors in summer 2013. Due to work, I had a pause spring 2014. As of right now 30k is spiking my interest with their sweet models and their fluff&stuff.

Will someone help me with, the 5 W's & how, regarding 30k? The Pros&Cons But without the previously mentioned?

Also can somebody update as to how CSM's and their commanders are reacting to 7th edition, and if there are any counters to said reactions?

7th csm have been doing a lot better, psychic phase, dataslates, and especially IA:13 unlocked a bunch of stuff to play with. Between IA:13 and Daemon allies, I've been doing pretty well this edition

30K is not intended to play against 40K.
They use the same core rules, but the assumptions of unit and weapon availability are completely different.


While you technically can pit them against each other, its not intended.

Right but has anyone played 30k? Can anyone throw me a sales pitch?

Again the FW FAQ directly says 30k I made to be compatible with 40k.

I play 30k great ruleset.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Again the FW FAQ directly says 30k I made to be compatible with 40k.

No it doesn't, it says that it is *broadly* compatible, but that you might have some issues because it HASN'T been tailored to be used with regular 40k.

Example: The Horus Heresy Contemptor-Mortis has BS5 and starts at 155 points, but the Imperial Armour version for use in regular 40k games has its BS dropped to 4 AND a price bump to 175 points.

Gashrog wrote:

Example: The Horus Heresy Contemptor-Mortis has BS5 and starts at 155 points, but the Imperial Armour version for use in regular 40k games has its BS dropped to 4 AND a price bump to 175 points.

So? Different armies have often paid different prices for even the exact same wargear items, this is nothing new.

FW will never come right out and say they are perfectly compatible because they don't like to make those sorts of commitments. Just look at what they say about their 40K stuff: "it's official for 40K, but you may still want to ask your opponent first." Plausible deniability is what they're going for here in case something doesn't work quite right.

Anyway, I've never yet had a problem playing my Legion against 40K...unless you count losing 4 out of 5 games a problem.

I play my Ad Mech (30k) and the fit in fine, getting ym butt handed to to me more then wining tho yet make for a Great storey how we turned to the dak side

30k is great fun, but proper expensive to get the good toys. Power level is generally pretty even between 30k factions.

It's easily compatible with 40k, I regularly play against Legion lists and they're more than acceptable games.

DeadWingman wrote:
I play my Ad Mech (30k) and the fit in fine, getting ym butt handed to to me more then wining tho yet make for a Great storey how we turned to the dak side

I have admittedly only played about 10 games with my 30k mechanicum army, but I've not even come close to losing a game. I believe on the whole they are not balanced for 40k due to the insane amount of high strength and ap 3 weapons they have access to. The marine legions themselves though I agree are fairly ok against 40k. Having a squad of 10 guys with multi meltas may sound awesome but it's really not all that effective.

akon4643 wrote:

DeadWingman wrote:
I play my Ad Mech (30k) and the fit in fine, getting ym butt handed to to me more then wining tho yet make for a Great storey how we turned to the dak side

I have admittedly only played about 10 games with my 30k mechanicum army, but I've not even come close to losing a game. I believe on the whole they are not balanced for 40k due to the insane amount of high strength and ap 3 weapons they have access to. The marine legions themselves though I agree are fairly ok against 40k. Having a squad of 10 guys with multi meltas may sound awesome but it's really not all that effective.

I play 30k Mechanicum all the time, and it has strong shooting and tough units.

However, it pays the price for such units. The list has huge problems with force density and target priority. it often simply does not have enough units for the job.

One game I had 13 models at 1850.

akon4643 wrote:

DeadWingman wrote:
I play my Ad Mech (30k) and the fit in fine, getting ym butt handed to to me more then wining tho yet make for a Great storey how we turned to the dak side

I have admittedly only played about 10 games with my 30k mechanicum army, but I've not even come close to losing a game. I believe on the whole they are not balanced for 40k due to the insane amount of high strength and ap 3 weapons they have access to. The marine legions themselves though I agree are fairly ok against 40k. Having a squad of 10 guys with multi meltas may sound awesome but it's really not all that effective.

Most my Games are against Xenos, the Usally kill my Magos and then kit my Robots around. Most people love playin against them, at most i bring 3-5 Castlelax

I play 30k Iron warriors for vehicle heavy and 30k Night Lords for troop, drop pods, jump troops and aircraft. They are very compatible to 40k and we have had no rules issues in interactions between the two. In all real respects, just treat the 30k legions like you would a different marine codex. It has oddball rules like any 40k codex. DA have been out for several years and I still ask, "Whats that do?" and your 30k stuff is no different.I find them to be much fluffier and the rules allow me to build the army how I want to build it, not to the one or two ways that are competitive that 40k codices give you. One of the problems opponents have is pregame trying to figure out what to bring against you. Like I said there isn't just one or two ways to play it so they cant tailor a force except by doing so very broadly.

You guys seem to miss the fact that compatibility does not neceserely mean the two get along fine.

A 7-up cap fits just fine on a coke bottle, but it does not belong.

Legions are semi-fitting. though having both "modern" marines and a legion facing off WILL be akward.

Admech? by far do not belong there. many of the things they can do are outright bonkers in 40k standards and make even the cheese lists of 40k look docile, but they don't actually work all that well against 30k armies due to different weapon availability. (castlelax spam for example)

Solar is too early to know.

 BoomWolf wrote:
You guys seem to miss the fact that compatibility does not neceserely mean the two get along fine.

A 7-up cap fits just fine on a coke bottle, but it does not belong.

Legions are semi-fitting. though having both "modern" marines and a legion facing off WILL be akward.

Admech? by far do not belong there. many of the things they can do are outright bonkers in 40k standards and make even the cheese lists of 40k look docile, but they don't actually work all that well against 30k armies due to different weapon availability. (castlelax spam for example)

Solar is too early to know.

Agreed for the most part, i dont do the legions. People like the Admech cause they are not in 40k ... yet.

I just know I only play against 40k armies and it works just fine for us and we have had no rules issues. 30k armies can be beaten by 40k and vice versa.

40k is so bonkers right now that any of the 30k armies really don't feel that out of place. You can already take nine trillion combinations of whatever you want, letting 30k lists into the mix really isn't a big deal.

Any of the 30k armies (both marine and admech) I've faced felt right at home in 40k.

In fact 30k feels more 40k than regular SM.

I gather that 30k in of itself is awesome as long as you play within the 30k universe, and that 40k right now is "bonkers" that is the general feel?

 BoomWolf wrote:
You guys seem to miss the fact that compatibility does not neceserely mean the two get along fine.

A 7-up cap fits just fine on a coke bottle, but it does not belong.

Legions are semi-fitting. though having both "modern" marines and a legion facing off WILL be akward.

Admech? by far do not belong there. many of the things they can do are outright bonkers in 40k standards and make even the cheese lists of 40k look docile, but they don't actually work all that well against 30k armies due to different weapon availability. (castlelax spam for example)

Solar is too early to know.

Admech aren't overpowered at all in 40K. Things like MC troops seems cool until you realize that having like 20 models on the board is a weakness in itself. I've gone up against Admech several times with my Daemons and haven't had a harder time dealing with them then any 40K army.

40K/30K get along pretty well- sure not a 1:1, but then even 40K isn't balanced 1:1 with itself.

 Wrecker wrote:
I gather that 30k in of itself is awesome as long as you play within the 30k universe, and that 40k right now is "bonkers" that is the general feel?

It really depends on how you play and who your regular opponents are. 40k as it stands right now, requires some negotiation before the game about how it's going to be played. This is both in terms of list construction and what kin of missions you play. The developers wanted to create an open sand box type of game, where the rules could be used to create any type of experience you want. They succeeded at that, but failed at creating a game that can be played right out of the box.

If you have a steady group of people that you play with, this is easy. If you're playing pickup games, that's harder (though your shop might have basic guidelines).

So you have to figure out what kind of game do your regular opponents want to play. If you don't have regular opponents and plan on playing in tournaments, you're not going to have a fun time playing chaos space marines (unless winning is not that important for you).

As a blanket statement, I would suggest starting a 30k army (if you have the cash) and then just use the same models to play the Space Marine Codex if playing 40k.