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LordofHats wrote: Okay the St. Louis is fun as hell XD Talk about dakka.
Just got mine upgraded and about to get the lvl 4! But man this thing does spit lead - got 3 kills in my first random battle with the upgrades!
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chaos0xomega wrote: When Im driving my CAs I switch between HE and AP constantly as the reload time is so short. With BBs I generally keep it to AP, as switching between them can sometimes be an additional 10 secs on your reload.
To the guy that said BBs need to get into the thick of it more often, theres a reason why we tend to keep their distance, for one thing torpedoes kill us dead, so getting closer to cruisers and destroyers is a bad idea. Another thing is that our turrets are hilariously slow to turn, it can take over a minute to bring them to bear from one side of a ship to another. A smart CA driver can make it impossible for us to even fire a salvo if they know what theyre doing. Beyond that, especially at higher tiers, we outrange everything else, and that range is our best defense, since both deatroyers and cruisers are a far bugger threat to us than enemy BBs.
I only played the first time yesterday but battleship drivers do need to be more aggressive - as a lv 3 cruiser I can't really avoid torpedoes ether but it doesn't prevent me from moving into effective range which is about 10 KM. I'd love to support some battleships but they NEVER move towards the objectives.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Thats because most objectives are surrounded by islands, which gives perfect cover to destroyers, which are a BBs hard counter. Even in open water, it can be difficult for a BB to spot an enemy destroyer which can make things even more hairy for a BB driver.
I unlocked the Omaha today... I think I miss my Phoenix :C
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Well, that BB Ikilled with the St. Louis using AP salvos at range was a South Carolina I believe.
Myogi with scout plane out can be awesome when you hit that deck with plunging fire!
Trying to save my game coins for Kongo
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Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
Jehan-reznor wrote: I play aggressively with BB but you die quickly and in low tier BB they have no or almost no AA.
Don't get too close though and while you don't have any AA enemy planes at low tiers are quite rare and not all that good. If you are targeted by a torp bomber SQN turn into the SQN when it is at around 2km out and kill your speed, at the very least most of the torps will miss and its quite possible that they all will.
I unlocked the Omaha today... I think I miss my Phoenix :C
The only improvements with the Omaha are an extra 4k HPs, an extra gun for broadsides (although 2 extra forward guns) and an extra torp launcher that will rarely get used. The Phoenix however gets and extra 1km range, its faster and more nimble. I preferred my Phoenix as well.
The Cleveland is a beast although I'm sure its rate of fire has been reduced since the closed beta.
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Jehan-reznor wrote: I play aggressively with BB but you die quickly and in low tier BB they have no or almost no AA.
Don't get too close though and while you don't have any AA enemy planes at low tiers are quite rare and not all that good. If you are targeted by a torp bomber SQN turn into the SQN when it is at around 2km out and kill your speed, at the very least most of the torps will miss and its quite possible that they all will.
I unlocked the Omaha today... I think I miss my Phoenix :C
The only improvements with the Omaha are an extra 4k HPs, an extra gun for broadsides (although 2 extra forward guns) and an extra torp launcher that will rarely get used. The Phoenix however gets and extra 1km range, its faster and more nimble. I preferred my Phoenix as well.
The Cleveland is a beast although I'm sure its rate of fire has been reduced since the closed beta.
The phoenix I'm having trouble with - It's got good range on it's artilery and it's quick but it's low HP makes it a pretty easy target - I prefer the lvl 3 st louis to it which seems to sling so much Dakka that even BB can't ignore them.
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Jehan-reznor wrote: I play aggressively with BB but you die quickly and in low tier BB they have no or almost no AA.
Can you get in my games please!?!? BB on my teams are always hanging in the back missing with all their shots at max range. It's like do they not understand that full broadsides at lower ranges will flat out destroy everything they hit?
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
The phoenix I'm having trouble with - It's got good range on it's artillery and it's quick but it's low HP makes it a pretty easy target - I prefer the lvl 3 st louis to it which seems to sling so much Dakka that even BB can't ignore them.
Stay at close to its max range and never sail in a straight line, that's basically what all USN cruisers should do. The Phoenix is nimble enough that it can dodge incoming fire quite effectively.
The St Louis has very good armour for a cruiser, and its hard to citadel, but while it does have a lot of guns its slow speed and low range mean that I find it quite frustrating to play
I also unlocked the Furutaka last night... good god what a piece of crap. It has slightly bigger guns than the Omaha, but the rate of fire of a Battleship. I dont know how Im expected to kill anything with it.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: I also unlocked the Furutaka last night... good god what a piece of crap. It has slightly bigger guns than the Omaha, but the rate of fire of a Battleship. I dont know how Im expected to kill anything with it.
I like that ship. Also, it's a gakky version of every ship that comes after it. So better get used to the play style of big slower guns and back mounted torps.
Soladrin wrote: Then IJN cruisers aren't for you. They have accurate long range big guns and devastating torps. US has the raw fire rate.
This. Check the rate of fire of the IJNs and compare with the USAs and you'll see some very big differences. I enjoy the IJN more because not only do they have torpedos, but when they hit, they hit like a truck. The accuracy looks better too.
"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
I swear I have the biggest and most warm fuzzy feelings when I completely obliterate a BB with my US DD and they start complaining and calling me an hacker. I just feed on this.
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
I have decided to have another go at the IJN DD line. The stock Umikaze would be the worst grind in the game if it wasn't so short. Its 4.5km torps are utterly pointless but when you can finally afford the upgrade (it took me 5 games to make the 900 exp or so required and I have a premium account......) it suddenly becomes usable. In my games with the stock torps I got maybe 10 gun hits and no torp hits at all, in my first game with the upgraded torps I got 4 torp kills.
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Just had an epic battle in my Minekaze tier V Jap DD. 13 torpedo hits, 5 kills, over 110K of damage. 2 BBs sunk, 2 CLs sunk (1 St. Louis, 1 Kuma), and a poor DD sunk that got in the way of part of a my spread meant for the Kawachi I hit.
The Minekaze is the most fun you'll ever have in a Jap DD though as I feel the tier 6-10 stuff is significantly less ninja assassin-like and more long bow archer.
As a note, DO NOT upgrade the Minekaze's torpedo armament. Although the extra 3 km of range is nice and all, the 11 knots of torpedo speed you lose means you will more often miss as the enemy has more time to maneuver to avoid. 68 knot torpedoes are mean. 58 knots, not so much. The Minekaze, even with un-upgraded torpedo launchers has 1.2 km sweet spot that you can launch torpedoes from without being seen by the enemy as its torpedoes have a 7 km range while the ship only has a 5.8 km spotting distance.
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Japanese guns really arent that good. At least no the Furutakas (or the Myogis) which are horribly inaccurate and really dont hit any harder than my Omahas.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: Japanese guns really arent that good. At least no the Furutakas (or the Myogis) which are horribly inaccurate and really dont hit any harder than my Omahas.
See how Soladrin would make sweet love to Mogami? Yeah, there's a reason for that.
"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
The phoenix I'm having trouble with - It's got good range on it's artillery and it's quick but it's low HP makes it a pretty easy target - I prefer the lvl 3 st louis to it which seems to sling so much Dakka that even BB can't ignore them.
Stay at close to its max range and never sail in a straight line, that's basically what all USN cruisers should do. The Phoenix is nimble enough that it can dodge incoming fire quite effectively.
The St Louis has very good armour for a cruiser, and its hard to citadel, but while it does have a lot of guns its slow speed and low range mean that I find it quite frustrating to play
Thanks for that advice - it has worked wonders - I had some epic games yesterday.
One of which I destroyed 2 cruisers at range taking the whole left flank then took to the rear to kill 2 carriers! I did however close range with the carriers. I was dodging torps like crazy! This boat really starts to hurt once you fit out it's upgrades. I am about to get the omaha and from what I hear the phoenix is kinda better?
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
chaos0xomega wrote: Japanese guns really arent that good. At least no the Furutakas (or the Myogis) which are horribly inaccurate and really dont hit any harder than my Omahas.
See how Soladrin would make sweet love to Mogami? Yeah, there's a reason for that.
chaos0xomega wrote: Japanese guns really arent that good. At least no the Furutakas (or the Myogis) which are horribly inaccurate and really dont hit any harder than my Omahas.
See how Soladrin would make sweet love to Mogami? Yeah, there's a reason for that.
The reason for that is what I did with in CBT.
Which is this.
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It's funny their are people that think BB are under-powered. Clearly they are not.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
chaos0xomega wrote: Japanese guns really arent that good. At least no the Furutakas (or the Myogis) which are horribly inaccurate and really dont hit any harder than my Omahas.
See how Soladrin would make sweet love to Mogami? Yeah, there's a reason for that.
The reason for that is what I did with in CBT.
Which is this.
Spoiler:
It's funny their are people that think BB are under-powered. Clearly they are not.
chaos0xomega wrote: Japanese guns really arent that good. At least no the Furutakas (or the Myogis) which are horribly inaccurate and really dont hit any harder than my Omahas.
See how Soladrin would make sweet love to Mogami? Yeah, there's a reason for that.
The reason for that is what I did with in CBT.
Which is this.
Spoiler:
It's funny their are people that think BB are under-powered. Clearly they are not.
You have no idea how much I'd love to be able to hit that many times in High-Tier games as a BB. Or use Torpedos.
"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
So better get used to the play style of big slower guns and back mounted torps.
