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2015/03/06 01:44:26
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Grots?
If he's a half decent player, he'll be taking Tomb Blades. Many people run the cover save denying S6 blast slinging variety. If he's got more than 5 of those, your hordes of Grots may be pretty thinned out by the time they're anywhere near Wraiths... though I'm doubtful a Necron would use Wraiths to fight Grots...
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2015/03/09 03:03:32
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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Got another game in with my crons and found the wraiths performed ok again. A couple got stuck in a prolonged cc with some tac marines. Others held their own but got pretty beat up by a suped up thunder wolf unit. That is to be expected though.
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2015/08/02 14:01:42
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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What are good options for Khorne Daemonkin against Wraiths?
What could put up a good fight against 6 harvest wraiths with 4+REAP?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/08/02 14:01:58
 stealth992 wrote:...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
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2015/08/02 14:12:08
Subject: Re:How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Are Wraiths Fearless? Haven't had a chance to face them with a Freakshow yet, but Necrons seem like they'd be susceptible to CWE/DE/Harlie leadership shenanigans.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/08/02 14:13:12
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2015/08/02 14:13:12
Subject: Re:How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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 Jimsolo wrote:Are Wraiths Fearless? Haven't had a chance to face them yet, but Necrons seem like they'd be susceptible to CWE/ DE/Harlie leadership shenanigans.
Yup all canoptek things are fearless.
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stealth992 wrote:...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
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2015/08/02 14:16:06
Subject: Re:How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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SicSemperTyrannis wrote: Jimsolo wrote:Are Wraiths Fearless? Haven't had a chance to face them yet, but Necrons seem like they'd be susceptible to CWE/ DE/Harlie leadership shenanigans.
Yup all canoptek things are fearless.
'K. So Soulfright is out. Dominate, Psychic Shriek, Mirror of Minds, and Laugh of Sorrows are all still in, though.
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2015/08/02 14:17:45
Subject: Re:How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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Jimsolo wrote:SicSemperTyrannis wrote: Jimsolo wrote:Are Wraiths Fearless? Haven't had a chance to face them yet, but Necrons seem like they'd be susceptible to CWE/ DE/Harlie leadership shenanigans.
Yup all canoptek things are fearless.
'K. So Soulfright is out. Dominate, Psychic Shriek, Mirror of Minds, and Laugh of Sorrows are all still in, though.
Khorne does not approve these Psi shenanigans 
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stealth992 wrote:...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
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2015/08/02 14:18:30
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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I've had two units of 5 grotesques eventually lose combat after about 4 full turns of combat. Opponent had a full squad of wraiths, a destroyer lord with a 2+, aND the named character that allows the whole unit to reroll 1's. They slow the unit down, but MAN is it hard to kill. I learned to just throw small units at it and kill everything else first.
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2015/08/02 14:29:50
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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DirtyDeeds wrote:I've had two units of 5 grotesques eventually lose combat after about 4 full turns of combat. Opponent had a full squad of wraiths, a destroyer lord with a 2+, aND the named character that allows the whole unit to reroll 1's. They slow the unit down, but MAN is it hard to kill. I learned to just throw small units at it and kill everything else first.
We're the rolls about statistically average? I haven't crunched the math on Grotesques vs Wraiths, but that was one of my first thoughts as well.
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2015/08/02 16:20:34
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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DirtyDeeds wrote:I've had two units of 5 grotesques eventually lose combat after about 4 full turns of combat. Opponent had a full squad of wraiths, a destroyer lord with a 2+, aND the named character that allows the whole unit to reroll 1's. They slow the unit down, but MAN is it hard to kill. I learned to just throw small units at it and kill everything else first.
I wish more people would get this.
Stop worrying about trying to kill them and just worry about keeping them tied up. If your opponent can't use them how he wants to, that's pretty much removing them from the table for a few turns.
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2015/08/02 18:25:33
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Tunneling Trygon
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DirtyDeeds wrote:I've had two units of 5 grotesques eventually lose combat after about 4 full turns of combat. Opponent had a full squad of wraiths, a destroyer lord with a 2+, aND the named character that allows the whole unit to reroll 1's. They slow the unit down, but MAN is it hard to kill. I learned to just throw small units at it and kill everything else first.
Not a bad approach. Remember to make sure that he is playing it correctly.
You need to have the resurrection protocols special rule in order to gain the re-roll ones ability, so unless the Wraiths are in the Canoptek Harvest formation and the Spyder is still alive and giving them that buff, they can't benefit from Orikan's rule
The whole unit loses fleet and can be slowed by terrain on the charge (if Orikan or the Lord have to go through it)
You can typically outflank (the actual maneuver, not the deployment method) the tanking destroyer lord, or get lucky when he rolls poorly on his assault move to jump back towards the front of the unit now. Since he only moves 6" in the movement phase, a bad 2d6 assault roll will mean he can't tank small arms fire. Take advantage of those openings when they appear.
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2015/08/03 02:37:34
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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 skoffs wrote:DirtyDeeds wrote:I've had two units of 5 grotesques eventually lose combat after about 4 full turns of combat. Opponent had a full squad of wraiths, a destroyer lord with a 2+, aND the named character that allows the whole unit to reroll 1's. They slow the unit down, but MAN is it hard to kill. I learned to just throw small units at it and kill everything else first.
I wish more people would get this.
Stop worrying about trying to kill them and just worry about keeping them tied up. If your opponent can't use them how he wants to, that's pretty much removing them from the table for a few turns.
Well on the other hand, Wraiths are often doing the same thing. With my Wraiths I try to tie up Bike Command Squads, Wraithknights, scary Daemons, etc - anything that the 2W/3++ will be good at absorbing. Rarely do I use them as a high-output hammer, usually I rely on the rest of the army to do the damage. So it really becomes a game of who gets a better pick with their beefy tarpit unit.
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2015/08/03 05:46:43
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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skoffs wrote:DirtyDeeds wrote:I've had two units of 5 grotesques eventually lose combat after about 4 full turns of combat. Opponent had a full squad of wraiths, a destroyer lord with a 2+, aND the named character that allows the whole unit to reroll 1's. They slow the unit down, but MAN is it hard to kill. I learned to just throw small units at it and kill everything else first.
I wish more people would get this.
Stop worrying about trying to kill them and just worry about keeping them tied up. If your opponent can't use them how he wants to, that's pretty much removing them from the table for a few turns.
In my last game with this opponent, I used my White Scars and Ravenwing list to great effect. I road blocked his wraith squad to assault my centurions, which tanked them like a boss and hit and run out of there. It's quite entertaining to watch those things run 3d6 across the board. Anyways, I nuked the rest of his army, including the Spyder before he could give reanimation, and saved the wraiths for the very end.
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2015/08/03 06:14:17
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Anything with blind is a great weapon against those guys, they are I2 when takings blind tests, both in the shooting phase and assault phase.
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2015/08/03 06:33:18
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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Spoletta wrote:Anything with blind is a great weapon against those guys, they are I2 when takings blind tests, both in the shooting phase and assault phase.
I don´t know about you but I only face I5 Wraiths (whip coils). But let me tell you how good it feels to blind ~600 points of warriors and immortals with one Warp Talon Squad :3
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2015/08/03 06:52:09
stealth992 wrote:...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
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2015/08/03 09:05:14
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Whip coils only increase their Initiative when they attack, so they're still I2 for Blind tests and the like.
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2015/08/03 10:11:30
Subject: How to fight the new Wraith EFFECTIVELY?
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:Whip coils only increase their Initiative when they attack, so they're still I2 for Blind tests and the like.
Holy cow indeed. Totally overlooked that.
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stealth992 wrote:...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
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