New Necrons 7th Edition Tactica

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**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

So I just got the codex. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but can the D-Lord now the take the phase shifter and/or the 2+ armor upgrade? Cause if so, DAMN...

**wuestenfux**

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So I just got the codex. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but can the D-Lord now the take the phase shifter and/or the 2+ armor upgrade? Cause if so, DAMN...

A phase shifter? Yes he always can.
But the 2+ armor upgrade is only available once as an arcane item.

**Khornatedemon**

wuestenfux wrote:
Sasori wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
So what's the thought on the D. Lord attached to wraiths. It pretty much makes him a 6" moving infantry model. Not sure if wraiths are going to work without the d. Lord attached?

Why wouldn't they work without the Dlord?

PE is nice, but it's not the end all be all. The T5 on them means that the Dlord being used as a meatsheild isn't near as valuable, and with the loss of MSS the Dlord isn't near what he used to be in challenges.

Wraiths got a lot better, and the Dlord got a lot worse. I don't think he is needed at all anymore.

What HQ would you prefer in the new edition?
I want a fast HQ who can work on his own.
So I see only the Barge Lord or the DLord here.

I think it's still the bargelord. You just have to be more careful with him and what you aim him at. I like zhandrekh too but I have no idea where i'd put him since he cant go with warriors in an ark. If I took a blob than maybe

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

wuestenfux wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So I just got the codex. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but can the D-Lord now the take the phase shifter and/or the 2+ armor upgrade? Cause if so, DAMN...

A phase shifter? Yes he always can.
But the 2+ armor upgrade is only available once as an arcane item.

Still, a T6 model with a 2+ and 4++? And armed with a warscythe? I2 or not, he is gonna put the hurt on most anything in the game...

**God In Action**

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So I just got the codex. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but can the D-Lord now the take the phase shifter and/or the 2+ armor upgrade? Cause if so, DAMN...

A phase shifter? Yes he always can.
But the 2+ armor upgrade is only available once as an arcane item.

Still, a T6 model with a 2+ and 4++? And armed with a warscythe? I2 or not, he is gonna put the hurt on most anything in the game...

Run it out of the Mephrit dynasty with Solar Thermasite, or with Orikan, and that becomes a re-rollable 2+.

2+ re-roll/4++ re-roll 1s/4+++ re-roll 1s/5++++ IWND for good measure.

**col_impact**

Here's a list

NewCrons (1843pts)
Necrons: Codex (2015) (Decurion Detachment)
Core
Reclamation Legion
Catacomb Command Barge, Gauss Cannon, Gauntlet of Fire, Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Warscythe
5x Immortal
3x Tomb Blade Nebuloscope, Particle Beamer, Shadowloom, Shield Vanes
10x Necron Warrior in Ghost Ark
10x Necron Warrior
Auxiliary
Canoptek Harvest
3x Canoptek Scarab
1x Canoptek Spyder
6x Canoptek Wraiths + Whip Coils

Mephrit Dynasty Cohort
Destroyer Lord Edge of Eternity, Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Solar Thermasite, The Nightmare Shroud

5x Immortal Night Scythe
5x Immortal Night Scythe
5x Immortal

So in this list the D Lord is about as crazy awesome as is possible. Send him and the wraiths at the opponents big nasty. The bargeLord can hit vehicles and beasties it can handle.

**Aldaris**

You can't have Nebuloscopes and Shadowlooms. It's either one or the other.

**Kangodo**

That is true, for some reason it's either +1 Cover or Ignores Cover.

Which weapon would everyone advice on a Tomb Blade nowadays?

**col_impact**

Aldaris wrote:
You can't have Nebuloscopes and Shadowlooms. It's either one or the other.

Fair enough. I was using BattleScribe which allowed it. Is this an issue Kangodo?

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Kangodo wrote:
That is true, for some reason it's either +1 Cover or Ignores Cover.

Which weapon would everyone advice on a Tomb Blade nowadays?

Ignores cover is sick and particle beamer seems best.

**Kangodo**

Yeah, I fixed it on Battlescribe.
Got some errors fixed and I will wait the entire day until I release a new version.

**col_impact**

Kangodo wrote:
Yeah, I fixed it on Battlescribe.
Got some errors fixed and I will wait the entire day until I release a new version.

Thanks by the way for doing all that Battlescribe stuff in such an insanely timely manner! Cheers.

**changemod**

Kangodo wrote:
Which weapon would everyone advice on a Tomb Blade nowadays?

With Ignores Cover:

Gauss if you're against Xenos with decent armour or skimmers.

Particle Beamers against guard, Orks and Tyranid Hordes.

Without Ignores Cover:

Gauss if you want to kill vehicles. Particle Beamers if you want to generate lots of wounds.

When to take Tesla: Last codex if you expected to jink a lot. Never now.

**Vhalyar**

ShadarLogoth wrote:
In the context of Void Blade / Particle caster TPs, that Triarch formation is still pretty legit, the more I think about it. Obviously effecting all units would have been sweet, but both Rending and Entropic are meaning full rules in conjunction with rerolls.

Obviously not nearly as good as it would have been otherwise, but if you are considering both units, that's a pretty good way to bring them. Marking a target for TP death per turn doesn't take away what the Stalker is doing other wise, both in shooting and buffing with the 6 range. And adding reroll to hit and wound/armor pan to either Praetorian is still pretty legit. In fact, if you had one of each it would be a pretty good way of covering both bases. Giving you a sold medium / heavy infantry counter and a solid heavy vehicle / light infantry counter, depending on which you needed more each turn.

5 VB/PC on the charge against a marked vehicle give you, what, 5.4 HPs? That's not too shabby lol.

The re-roll bonus only works during the shooting phase. No melee rerolls as the effect goes away when the phase ends.

**AbyssalisCuriositas**

I'm not sure if this has already been covered, but what kind of anti air do we have now aside from flyers?

**Kangodo**

Do you count LoW-slots?
Otherwise we have Sentry Pylons, I am surely bringing them.

**Kholzerino**

So. Can we now take the Conclave with the Tranny C'Tanny? His description sounds like he is now a Shard. And te picture in Baal uses him as a reference.

**Kangodo**

I guess not.
We have two C'tan Shard of XYZ and a Transcendent C'tan.
So a line that allows us to take a C'tan Shard will surely be meant for the first two.

I also see no reason to use the Transcendent, because he is clearly inferior to the other two.

**Kholzerino**

Isn't it weird, then, that they used the Image of the Tranny in the formation description? And I agree. The Nightbringer is better unless you want to punch Knights. As that extra Str point matters then. Also aesthetically, I'd love to find a way to use Trans in my army. It's purty.

**Kholzerino**

Kholzerino wrote:
Isn't it weird, then, that they used the Image of the Tranny in the formation description? And I agree. The Nightbringer is better unless you want to punch Knights. As that extra Str point matters then. Also aesthetically, I'd love to find a way to use Trans in my army. It's purty.

**AbyssalisCuriositas**

Kangodo wrote:
Do you count LoW-slots?
Otherwise we have Sentry Pylons, I am surely bringing them.

I'm looking for something relatively reliable against something like dakkajets and stormravens in >= 1000 point games.

Someone mentioned tomb blades as an anti-air option, but I can't figure out why that would be viable.

**SilverDevilfish**

AbyssalisCuriositas wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been covered, but what kind of anti air do we have now aside from flyers?

In the codex. No.

Sentry Pylons and the Gauss Pylon from Forgeworld can provide additional AA.

Edit: Bah missed Kangodo's post.

**Byte**

Oberron wrote:
Dlord in Flayed one deepstrike with the Solar staff is a bad day for the enemy as long as you don't mess up the scatter. The can't assault restriction the the deep strike won't matter as much if everything becomes snapshot at the flayed one unit. Is anything else a must take for this unit? I think a res orb would be better suited than the phase shifter but both can be nice and have their place but neither are must haves for this.

Or would it be better/cheaper to just stick a cryptek in there with the veil of darkness and a chronometron for the 5++ to everything? 115pts for the tek and 125-150 for the Dlord. Risk the shooting phase for the 5++/4+++rp or be safe with snap shots(and immune to blast) and have PE. Hmm it looks like the Dlord is the better case

I was looking at this as well. Dlord with Solar Staff with 20 FOs.

Or, give a cryptek the solar staff/VoD and the cryptek adds +1 to RP.

You could always just through them both in there for a +1 RP tax and give the staff to the beat stick Dlord.

**Kangodo**

AbyssalisCuriositas wrote:
I'm looking for something relatively reliable against something like dakkajets and stormravens in >= 1000 point games.
Someone mentioned tomb blades as an anti-air option, but I can't figure out why that would be viable.

Because they are cheap, fast and are something you would like anyway.
They might put out a few less HP's than others, but they make up for that with their Ignore Cover-ability which ignores Jink.

Byte wrote:
I was looking at this as well. Dlord with Solar Staff with 20 FOs.

Or, give a cryptek the solar staff/VoD and the cryptek adds +1 to RP.

You could always just through them both in there for a +1 RP tax and give the staff to the beat stick Dlord.

Only one Relic per model, so that would not work.
If you take a Decurion you get the +1RP for free.

**Byte**

Kangodo wrote:
AbyssalisCuriositas wrote:
I'm looking for something relatively reliable against something like dakkajets and stormravens in >= 1000 point games.
Someone mentioned tomb blades as an anti-air option, but I can't figure out why that would be viable.

Because they are cheap, fast and are something you would like anyway.
They might put out a few less HP's than others, but they make up for that with their Ignore Cover-ability which ignores Jink.

Byte wrote:
I was looking at this as well. Dlord with Solar Staff with 20 FOs.

Or, give a cryptek the solar staff/VoD and the cryptek adds +1 to RP.

You could always just through them both in there for a +1 RP tax and give the staff to the beat stick Dlord.

Only one Relic per model, so that would not work.
If you take a Decurion you get the +1RP for free.

I don't get the attraction for antiair either. Still hit on 6s, yes? Ignore cover with STR 5 vs most flyers big deal(think storm raven as mentioned). Rely on gauss? Two 6s in a row to glance. Don't get it.

Gotcha.

I wouldn't say Decurion is free. Takes away too many options for me with the compulsory units. YMMV

**dubhgilla**

With the +1 bonus to Reanimation Protocols rolls from the Decurion Detachment + the re-rolls of 1's for
the Overlord his unit and units from this Formation that are within 12" of him from the Reclamation Legion.

Would mass infantry be a viable option with this codex?

4+, 4+ re-rolling 1's with added Barges has to be pretty good right?

**changemod**

It was me who noticed how good Tomb Blades are for anti-air, and it was for this reason: Ignores Cover transfers when manning an Aegis Defence Line's quad gun.

**Byte**

dubhgilla wrote:With the +1 bonus to Reanimation Protocols rolls from the Decurion Detachment + the re-rolls of 1's for
the Overlord his unit and units from this Formation that are within 12" of him from the Reclamation Legion.

Would mass infantry be a viable option with this codex?

4+, 4+ re-rolling 1's with added Barges has to be pretty good right?

I think so, I mean you'd have some tactical holes but so what. Big bricks of metal undead! What's not to like?

changemod wrote:It was me who noticed how good Tomb Blades are for anti-air, and it was for this reason: Ignores Cover transfers when manning an Aegis Defence Line's quad gun.

That's the element that's getting left out of all the posts, Aegis gun. Got it.

**luke1705**

changemod wrote:
It was me who noticed how good Tomb Blades are for anti-air, and it was for this reason: Ignores Cover transfers when manning an Aegis Defence Line's quad gun.

Exactly. I want to take another look at the Pylons though because we truly do lack AA if we don't want to take a decent amount of Night Scythes. What I wonder is, is the Quad Gun penalized if the Tomb Blades jink and then they to man it? I feel like it should be but I'm not sure.

I don't own IA 12, so I'll have to borrow it from a friend of mine, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong here:

Pylons can't be taken as part of the Decurion, right? So you would have to take an allied force of regular Necrons to take pylons? Or are they a formation?

**changemod**

luke1705 wrote:
changemod wrote:
It was me who noticed how good Tomb Blades are for anti-air, and it was for this reason: Ignores Cover transfers when manning an Aegis Defence Line's quad gun.

Exactly. I want to take another look at the Pylons though because we truly do lack AA if we don't want to take a decent amount of Night Scythes. What I wonder is, is the Quad Gun penalized if the Tomb Blades jink and then they to man it? I feel like it should be but I'm not sure.

I don't own IA 12, so I'll have to borrow it from a friend of mine, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong here:

Pylons can't be taken as part of the Decurion, right? So you would have to take an allied force of regular Necrons to take pylons? Or are they a formation?

Strictly speaking you could have a Decurion in an Unbound force that's 90% Decurion.

Might raise some frowns of course,

**Jaq Draco lives**

So to bring canoptek harvest I absolutely have to bring a destroyer cult? I'm looking at the codex trying to make sense of it.