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No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

For those working on the battlescribe files, first thank you.

I did note that BS file allows solar thermasite on a D lord however exterminatus states "necron overlord or cryptek only". Same with edge of eternity.

Also the file is allowing me to mix and match relics from exterminatus and the codex relics within a destroyer cult, which should not be possible (unless taking a mephrit dynasty detachment/formation.. perhaps).

If this has been corrected please disregard and again thanks.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Yes and no. They can be standalone formations, both for Necrons and other armies. If IG wants to have a Canoptek Harvest and no other Necron models in their army, they now can. A normal Necron CAD could also use a destroyer cult as their formstion source.

However, if you want to use the Decurion, you have to take a single reclamation legion. That then unlocks whatever else you want, in whatever quantity (except royal courts IIRC I think they are only one but who cares?). So my battle forged Decurion army could be:

1 reclamation legion
3 Canoptek harvests
1 judicator battalion

All of these would claim the benefits from their own formation as well as the command benefits of Decurion (not obsec sadly but hey, +1 RP is pretty dope)

No, that is because the Codex doesn't give us a 'Formation' that has those units.
Forgeworld would have to make Formations with a note saying that they can be taken as 'Auxiliary' in a Decurion Detachment.

Though IA12 does give permission to be taken as an Allied Detachment to Necrons.
But many of those units no longer work or work badly.
+Kutlakh works if you ignore his Ever-living.
-Toholk has an Aeonstave and Timesplinter Cloak, so no longer works.
-Overlords and Lords work but are paying old prices for stuff that is now nerfed (PS for 45, etc); you should also ignore the CCB upgrade.
+They can take a CCB just like Necrons.
+Warriors are roughly the same, but can take Flensing Scarabs and pay more for the Ghost Ark.
-Flayed Ones are Troops, but lack the Shred and additional attack.
-Immortals are fine, rules did not break them.
++They can still take a Night Scythe at 100 points
-Lychguard: You pay 20 additional points for Rage. No-go!
+Acanthrites are fine.
+Maynarkh Scarabs are awesome, they are the old ones with a changed ES. (Read this GW: Their point increase is stupid!)
-Tesseract Ark is nerfed from AV14 to AV13, though he is Heavy so Living Metal does repair his hull points now.
+Pylons are okay as always, we do need a change in their Skyfire.

dominuschao wrote:
For those working on the battlescribe files, first thank you.

I did note that BS file allows solar thermasite on a D lord however exterminatus states "necron overlord or cryptek only". Same with edge of eternity.

Also the file is allowing me to mix and match relics from exterminatus and the codex relics within a destroyer cult, which should not be possible (unless taking a mephrit dynasty detachment/formation.. perhaps).

If this has been corrected please disregard and again thanks.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/240/617215.page#7552654


But thank you!
The D-Lord was a mistake, I copied the Overlord, changed some names and removed Ranged Weapons.
I removed Thermasite and Edge of Eternity now.
Edit: Did the same for a Lord.

That last thing is your own fault!
Mephrit Relics are hidden unless you tell the program your Formation/Detachment is from Exterminatus.
It's the selection in the 'No Category'-group.

luke1705 wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Yes and no. They can be standalone formations, both for Necrons and other armies. If IG wants to have a Canoptek Harvest and no other Necron models in their army, they now can. A normal Necron CAD could also use a destroyer cult as their formstion source.

However, if you want to use the Decurion, you have to take a single reclamation legion. That then unlocks whatever else you want, in whatever quantity (except royal courts IIRC I think they are only one but who cares?). So my battle forged Decurion army could be:

1 reclamation legion
3 Canoptek harvests
1 judicator battalion

All of these would claim the benefits from their own formation as well as the command benefits of Decurion (not obsec sadly but hey, +1 RP is pretty dope)

That doesn't sound right.

So I can make a normal necron army and take canoptek harvest, only thing I lose is the bonus to RP?

That last thing is your own fault!
Mephrit Relics are hidden unless you tell the program your Formation/Detachment is from Exterminatus.
It's the selection in the 'No Category'-group.

Gotcha good to know.

col_impact wrote:
Here's a list


NewCrons (1843pts)
Necrons: Codex (2015) (Decurion Detachment)
Core
Reclamation Legion
Catacomb Command Barge, Gauss Cannon, Gauntlet of Fire, Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Warscythe
5x Immortal
3x Tomb Blade Nebuloscope, Particle Beamer, Shadowloom, Shield Vanes
10x Necron Warrior in Ghost Ark
10x Necron Warrior
Auxiliary
Canoptek Harvest
3x Canoptek Scarab
1x Canoptek Spyder
6x Canoptek Wraiths + Whip Coils

Mephrit Dynasty Cohort
Destroyer Lord Edge of Eternity, Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Solar Thermasite, The Nightmare Shroud

5x Immortal Night Scythe
5x Immortal Night Scythe
5x Immortal

So in this list the D Lord is about as crazy awesome as is possible. Send him and the wraiths at the opponents big nasty. The bargeLord can hit vehicles and beasties it can handle.

I don't know if it's already been mentioned, but the D-lord cannot take the Solar Thermasite. Only Overlords can take that.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

luke1705 wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Yes and no. They can be standalone formations, both for Necrons and other armies. If IG wants to have a Canoptek Harvest and no other Necron models in their army, they now can. A normal Necron CAD could also use a destroyer cult as their formstion source.

However, if you want to use the Decurion, you have to take a single reclamation legion. That then unlocks whatever else you want, in whatever quantity (except royal courts IIRC I think they are only one but who cares?). So my battle forged Decurion army could be:

1 reclamation legion
3 Canoptek harvests
1 judicator battalion

All of these would claim the benefits from their own formation as well as the command benefits of Decurion (not obsec sadly but hey, +1 RP is pretty dope)

That doesn't sound right.

So I can make a normal necron army and take canoptek harvest, only thing I lose is the bonus to RP?

The formations are just formations, you can take them as any other one would be. If they're categorized under the Decurion, though, you get the further benefits.

Requizen wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

luke1705 wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Yes and no. They can be standalone formations, both for Necrons and other armies. If IG wants to have a Canoptek Harvest and no other Necron models in their army, they now can. A normal Necron CAD could also use a destroyer cult as their formstion source.

However, if you want to use the Decurion, you have to take a single reclamation legion. That then unlocks whatever else you want, in whatever quantity (except royal courts IIRC I think they are only one but who cares?). So my battle forged Decurion army could be:

1 reclamation legion
3 Canoptek harvests
1 judicator battalion

All of these would claim the benefits from their own formation as well as the command benefits of Decurion (not obsec sadly but hey, +1 RP is pretty dope)

That doesn't sound right.

So I can make a normal necron army and take canoptek harvest, only thing I lose is the bonus to RP?

The formations are just formations, you can take them as any other one would be. If they're categorized under the Decurion, though, you get the further benefits.

Good to know cheers.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Necron codex page 64 right column, last para.

What's the issue?

 Byte wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Necron codex page 64 right column, last para.

What's the issue?

Im on electronic so I don't really get the page references I'm afraid. But I simply didn't understand how the formations work, the way the blocks look it seems like you would have to take a destroyer cult. Typically that kind of hierarchical display signifies, well, a hierarchy that must be followed in order to gain access to units.

Probably just me being silly, I understand now, you can take basically anything but following the decurion rules confers benefits, its all good.

 jy2 wrote:

col_impact wrote:
Here's a list


NewCrons (1843pts)
Necrons: Codex (2015) (Decurion Detachment)
Core
Reclamation Legion
Catacomb Command Barge, Gauss Cannon, Gauntlet of Fire, Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Warscythe
5x Immortal
3x Tomb Blade Nebuloscope, Particle Beamer, Shadowloom, Shield Vanes
10x Necron Warrior in Ghost Ark
10x Necron Warrior
Auxiliary
Canoptek Harvest
3x Canoptek Scarab
1x Canoptek Spyder
6x Canoptek Wraiths + Whip Coils

Mephrit Dynasty Cohort
Destroyer Lord Edge of Eternity, Phase Shifter, Phylactery, Solar Thermasite, The Nightmare Shroud

5x Immortal Night Scythe
5x Immortal Night Scythe
5x Immortal

So in this list the D Lord is about as crazy awesome as is possible. Send him and the wraiths at the opponents big nasty. The bargeLord can hit vehicles and beasties it can handle.

I don't know if it's already been mentioned, but the D-lord cannot take the Solar Thermasite. Only Overlords can take that.

Yea. Battlescribe was allowing it. I think Kangodo is going to address it.

Yes, yes, fixed it already.
Edge of Eternity is also not allowed.
And they are both not allowed on regular Lords

Perhaps we should send an angry letter to GW.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Necron codex page 64 right column, last para.

What's the issue?

Im on electronic so I don't really get the page references I'm afraid. But I simply didn't understand how the formations work, the way the blocks look it seems like you would have to take a destroyer cult. Typically that kind of hierarchical display signifies, well, a hierarchy that must be followed in order to gain access to units.

Probably just me being silly, I understand now, you can take basically anything but following the decurion rules confers benefits, its all good.

Affirm, basically it says entries with the funny little symbol is a formation and is played in accordance with the 40k rule book. In a nut shell.

All sorted.

What are people's thoughts on barge-lord wargear now?

Load up on upgrades, or run them cheap?

Load up, especially the Sv2+ seems important.
PS, Phylactery and Shroud are items I would take (with a Warscythe).

In Mephrit I would probably take the Edge of Eternity and Thermasite with it.

Looking at some of the special characters here...

Anrakyr gets relentless as his default Warlord trait.

Combine with a full size unit of Immortals, and Szeras Cryptek buffing a substantial gunline further back (Being an old style orb for multiple units is really his big selling point now), and you can select the Phyrrian Eternals as the recipients of the Szeras buff.

Worst case scenario? You're S5 granting S6 on the charge with Furious Charge.

I am curious about Zhandrekh,
There are two questions I still have about him:
-The rules he copies, how often do you encounter those?
-What Traits would be the best to take?

The three armies I play (with) most contain Orks and Blood Angels, so for me it seems like Zhandrekh always gives his unit FC.
Combining that with Szeras would be 'at worst' 20 Warriors charging with S6

The Barge seems less useful. Before it was always more scary than useful anyway, got a circle running landraiders and Hammerinators which would just destroy the lord every time given the chance.

I do think 2x 20 man warrior squads with a lord are going to be insanely hard to kill.

4+ save, 4+ reroll and rerolling ones, so you only kill one from an ordinary shot on a failure to roll 2/3. That is quite insane, and they will put out an average of 2x2HP a turn even not rapid fire range. Granted its a lot of points. It would absorb a lot of firepower, at that point I'd run the barge with just a warscythe, but no sweeping attacks now? Sucks.

But the two man squads could sink a landraider in a turn, drop a knight in two, even assuming you don't get rapid fire.


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 Byte wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Byte wrote:
No, why would you think that?

Their both individual formations.

Why would I think that? Because of the way its blocked out and only available in the decurion formation.

As it happens I've been looking and they aren't individual, by the looks of it you must take reclamation legion in order to gain access to others.

Necron codex page 64 right column, last para.

What's the issue?

Im on electronic so I don't really get the page references I'm afraid. But I simply didn't understand how the formations work, the way the blocks look it seems like you would have to take a destroyer cult. Typically that kind of hierarchical display signifies, well, a hierarchy that must be followed in order to gain access to units.

Probably just me being silly, I understand now, you can take basically anything but following the decurion rules confers benefits, its all good.

Affirm, basically it says entries with the funny little symbol is a formation and is played in accordance with the 40k rule book. In a nut shell.

All sorted.

Good stuff.

Anyone know how quickly Orikan is likely to call upon the ancient sprits of evil?

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
What are people's thoughts on barge-lord wargear now?

Load up on upgrades, or run them cheap?

I would advocate going cheap, actually. Since the CCB is no longer protected by RP it seems to be the achilles heel in CC. One could go warscythe + phaseshifter, but that brings him up to 180. I'd probably just go WS and call it a day. If you want survivable, on foot seems to be the way to go.

I don't know if this was already answered, but does Nemesor have to be the Warlord in order to call upon different Warlord Traits. In a way, it's like having two Warlords at once if you elected someone else.

Kangodo wrote:
Load up, especially the Sv2+ seems important.
PS, Phylactery and Shroud are items I would take (with a Warscythe).

In Mephrit I would probably take the Edge of Eternity and Thermasite with it.

One interesting thing about the bargeLord is you can now add gauntlet of fire as a ranged weapon and keep your melee weapon. With sola thermasite the gauntlet of fire becomes S5. Make up a little bit for the loss of sweep attacks.

I'm now curious who's likely to win in a duel between equal points of an all-destroyer bodied Necrons army and an all Crisis Suit tau army.

changemod wrote:
Anyone know how quickly Orikan is likely to call upon the ancient sprits of evil?

T1: 0%
T2 or faster: 16%
T3 or faster: 44%
T4 or faster: 72%

I think that is the correct math on his Star-allignment.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I don't know if this was already answered, but does Nemesor have to be the Warlord in order to call upon different Warlord Traits. In a way, it's like having two Warlords at once if you elected someone else.

It starts with "If Nemesor Zhandrekh is your Warlord, you may.."

Kangodo wrote:

changemod wrote:
Anyone know how quickly Orikan is likely to call upon the ancient sprits of evil?

T1: 0%
T2 or faster: 16%
T3 or faster: 44%
T4 or faster: 72%

I think that is the correct math on his Star-allignment.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I don't know if this was already answered, but does Nemesor have to be the Warlord in order to call upon different Warlord Traits. In a way, it's like having two Warlords at once if you elected someone else.

It starts with "If Nemesor Zhandrekh is your Warlord, you may.."

Sounds fair, though somewhat disappointing. Still plan to use him as the Warlord any time I use him anyway, so no biggie.

I made my first list I posted elsewhere. It involves 8 Scytheguard and Orikan + a Destroyer Lord with the super Warscythe. Should be REALLY durable to run up the board.

In that unit I would probably put him with Shields-Lychguard.
If Orikan Empowers, you would have two models that fight with S7, AP2.
Orikan has 5 attacks on the charge, a D-Lord would have 4

The Lord will have either a Shroud, for a rerollable 2+ or a Veil for teleportation.
Voidreaper is quite weird.. Why would I want Fleshbane on a S7-weapon?

One other thing I thought of:
How do people feel about a Destroyer Lord with the Gauntlet of the Conflagrator? Nothing else..
You can Deep Strike him next to a squad, wipe out some Sv2+ models and jump away behind cover.

Isn't Voidreaper S8?

Your point stands, regardless.

The Doomsday Ark is actually quite good and got a buff.

The reason, Gauss Flayer Arrays Independent Targeting. 5/10 Salvo that have Independent Targeting.

170 Points that's not bad at all. Putting out 20 Gauss Shots, plus a ST8 AP3 Blast when moving that's pretty good.

That Formation isn't to Shabby, 2 Annhilation Barges, 1 Doomsday Ark. 410 total for that amount of fire power is a great deal.

16 Tesla Shots
20 Gauss Shots
1 ST10 Large Blast