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Let's get back to the topic, which includes don't start a full blown YMDC argument, especially one that has been done and redone such that threads are often locked just as it starts now.

THANK YOU.

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Actually, maybe we should start a new Necron Tactics thread once the FAQ drops. This one is kind of a hot mess (anyone who actually comes here hoping to find useful tactics information will have to wade through page after page of useless garbage like we just witnessed just to find a few nuggets of wisdom... which might in all likelihood become obsolete once they clarify / change things)

col_impact wrote:
Point to the rule which says I cannot add more Spyders.
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As has just been explained, they answer quite clearly in the FAQ.

As shown above.

Further "discussion" on this point from hereon in will be treated as spam.

My apologies guys. I did not mean to spark that hot mess again, just wanted to say I hope they clear it up in the FAQ, didn't realise they already had.

Which codex haven't been done yet?
If they do them every Wednesday, what's the projected final date for the last one? (trying to figure out the worst case scenario for us)

You can see a list of what FAQs have been done and in what order HERE.

Ok, getting back on topic - I am presently trying to write an 1850 list for a team event locally and keep hitting road blocks... mainly due to the limits imposed on the way you build armies due to comp...

I am having to think outside the usual Decurion builds.

Star Gods - any good?

I wrote this list which meets all the requirements but have no idea if its any good...

Decurion. (Reclamation Legion, Annihilation Nexus, Flayed Ones)

Overlord, War scythe
5 Immortals, Gauss, Night Scythe
10 Warriors, Ghost Ark
10 Warriors, Ghost Ark
3 Tomb Blades, Gauss, Shields
12 Flayed Ones
2 Annihilation Barges, tesla
Doomsday Ark

Conclave of the Burning One
Night Bringer
Cryptek (God Shackle)
Cryptek (Chronometron, Veil)

1841 total.

Does this look any good?

What are the comp rules?

The annihilation nexus is generally bad.

Also, you have to choose either the Mephrit relics or the Necron codex relics for the Conclave of the Burning One. To have the God's Shackle you can't run the Veil.

If the comp rules forbid GMCs and SHVs then the Conclave could be something worth sinking a lot of points into.

You would need to add a minimum allied force of Necrons with a Cryptek equipped with the God's shackle and a unit of immortals. That way you can load up the Crypteks in the Conclave with the normal Necron relics (Veil, Nightmare Shroud, Solar Staff, etc.)

The mephrit dynasty has nothing forbidding using the standard relics that I can see?

Why is the nexus bad? I saw it as relatively cheap, Av13, decent fire power. I am not fussed on the whole hand back quantum shielding - this just seemed a good way to add fire power to the army.

The comp rules are the Australian Community Comp - http://communitycomp.org/

Its long and fairly complex (that's a lie - its hugely complex!) but essentially I have 14 credits to spend... and every list I write breaks 20 easy...

As an example, Orikan costs 4 credits and for every 2+save character he CAN join (not does - just can) its another 3 credits. Zandrek? add 2 more. In a Decurion - 3 more! The standard deathstars are basically unplayable.

You can get 6-8 wraiths max in this format typically, and things like the solar staff are heavily comped as well - 3 for the staff alone!

Flyers get hit hard as well with each one costing more than the last (night scythes are 0-2-4-6-8-etc while the doom scythes are 1-3-5-7-etc).

The only saving grace is that EVERY list is hit in similar ways - a WKnight for example starts at 5 credits with the sword and its 3 more for the D cannons. Just the chance to roll for invisibility (as in you are allowed to take it) is 8 credits!

So the typical power builds are not really in play - and you have to be creative in list building and play style!

 Massaen wrote:
The mephrit dynasty has nothing forbidding using the standard relics that I can see?

The Draft BRB FAQ clarifies that a detachment can only pull from one source for relics. So it the Draft BRB FAQ is under effect for the tournament you will need to adjust your list. If it's not in effect you are good.

Ah - cool. Missed that! Thanks for the heads up!

Every list I write seems to really lack ranged fire support - is that just a necron thing?

 Massaen wrote:
Ah - cool. Missed that! Thanks for the heads up!

Every list I write seems to really lack ranged fire support - is that just a necron thing?

You should probably check with the TO to see if the Draft FAQ is in effect or not.


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With those comp rules I would probably go with something like this


RetributionPhalanx

Overlord (Phase Shifter, The Nightmare Shroud, Warscythe, Gauntlet of Fire)
Triarch Stalker (Heat Ray)
10x Necron Warrior
9x Canoptek Scarab

Necron CAD

Orikan the Diviner
5x Immortal
5x Immortal
6x Canoptek Wraith
4x Tomb Blades (Shadowloom, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster)
4x Tomb Blades (Shadowloom, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster)

Destroyer Cult

Destroyer Lord (Phase Shifter, Warscythe)
3x Destroyers (1 Heavy Destroyer)
3x Destroyers (1 Heavy Destroyer)
3x Destroyers (1 Heavy Destroyer)

1848 points
20 comp points

I would like to ask a quick question. Since gw stated that we can use any book we want(old or late) can I use the ctan from the escalation as a lord of war?

 bloodoffi wrote:
I would like to ask a quick question. Since gw stated that we can use any book we want(old or late) can I use the ctan from the escalation as a lord of war?

A few people actually asked if the T-C'tan from Escalation was still a viable option during the FAQ roundup. At the moment, most people say no, but it's a bit ambiguous (common sense would say no, but RAW is iffy here). Wait for our FAQ, probably either this week or soon after, and we'll see for sure. If you want to use it in the meantime, ask your opponent if they're ok with it.

 bloodoffi wrote:
I would like to ask a quick question. Since gw stated that we can use any book we want(old or late) can I use the ctan from the escalation as a lord of war?

Until a FAQ draft comes out for it it is in a grey area like Requizen said.

Currently there is a FAQ for escalation that says you are able to use it and it has not been updated since the necron codex came out. But on the safe side always ask before using it.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Escalation_EN.pdf

Oberron wrote:

 bloodoffi wrote:
I would like to ask a quick question. Since gw stated that we can use any book we want(old or late) can I use the ctan from the escalation as a lord of war?

Until a FAQ draft comes out for it it is in a grey area like Requizen said.

Currently there is a FAQ for escalation that says you are able to use it and it has not been updated since the necron codex came out. But on the safe side always ask before using it.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Escalation_EN.pdf

Technically, you can use it, since Escalation is a legal source. If you buy it through the Necron codex you use up a Heavy Support slot. If you buy it through Escalation you use up a Lord of War slot.

It's one of those issues where no one would care if the Transcendant C'tan was a relatively weak or fair GMC, but because of the power level of the Escalation Transcendant C'tan, it is something that can surely become a heated issue between you and your opponent.

Check with the T.O. or your opponent. Who knows, maybe your opponent wants to use a Revenant Titan and the Escalation Transcendant C'tan will give your Necron force a better chance at making it to turn 3. Power level is all relative to what your opponent is allowed to bring and what figures in to the grand scope of fairness.

The ITC format disallows the Escalation Transcendant C'tan entirely. The Nova format similarly does not allow the Transcendant C'tan as a Lord of War.

Hey everyone, total newbie here. Just started playing a few months ago. I'm going to an event in a few weeks and I'm wondering what your thoughts would be on a question I've been wrestling with.

The event is 3 rounds. Starts at 850 points, next game is 1050 points, and the third is 1250 points. The kicker is that from game to game you can only ADD to the list and can never remove anything from the list you had before.

The list I'm looking at is a CAD which heavily features a large sword+board Lychguard unit. The question I'm wrestling over is whether to stick them with Vargard Obyron and deepstrike them across the table or stick them with Orikan and give them a 4+ RP and re rolling 1s. I'm leaning toward Orikan but I'm afraid that they won't be mobile enough to get anything done. At the same time, if I go Obyron they might just lose too much survivability to make much of a difference. Especially on the turn they deepstrike when they are just sitting around. There isn't really enough wiggle room to take a cryptek w/ solar staff in the first round to make up for it.

Interested to hear some thoughts.

Qlanth wrote:
a CAD which heavily features a large sword+board Lychguard unit

Would not recommend.
(what exactly do you intend to do with this unit? Because I can tell you, unless your opponent is completely inept, you'll be lucky to kill anything more than one enemy unit with them. If you invest all your points in something extremely slow and neglect adding things that might actually be an effective use of points, I don't see you winning a lot of games)

Qlanth wrote:
Hey everyone, total newbie here. Just started playing a few months ago. I'm going to an event in a few weeks and I'm wondering what your thoughts would be on a question I've been wrestling with.

The event is 3 rounds. Starts at 850 points, next game is 1050 points, and the third is 1250 points. The kicker is that from game to game you can only ADD to the list and can never remove anything from the list you had before.

The list I'm looking at is a CAD which heavily features a large sword+board Lychguard unit. The question I'm wrestling over is whether to stick them with Vargard Obyron and deepstrike them across the table or stick them with Orikan and give them a 4+ RP and re rolling 1s. I'm leaning toward Orikan but I'm afraid that they won't be mobile enough to get anything done. At the same time, if I go Obyron they might just lose too much survivability to make much of a difference. Especially on the turn they deepstrike when they are just sitting around. There isn't really enough wiggle room to take a cryptek w/ solar staff in the first round to make up for it.

Interested to hear some thoughts.

Does the tourney format allow you to re-define your list? For example, let's say you start with a CAD and some Wraiths. Can those Wraiths be organized into a Harvest for round 2?

 skoffs wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
a CAD which heavily features a large sword+board Lychguard unit

Would not recommend.
(what exactly do you intend to do with this unit? Because I can tell you, unless your opponent is completely inept, you'll be lucky to kill anything more than one enemy unit with them. If you invest all your points in something extremely slow and neglect adding things that might actually be an effective use of points, I don't see you winning a lot of games)

Well the rules of the event are fairly strict. Only one vehicle with AV14 OR one model with 4+ wounds. Can have one or the other but not both. No non-codex formations with the single exception of Start Collecting! formations. No supplements. No white dwarf. No FW. No Lords of War. No allied detachments.

So Basically I'm looking to move 3x 10 man warrior units to objectives while the lychguard roll through on points the warriors can't get to. I also planned to bring 3 Tomb Blades (shield vanes+nebulocscopes) since the points work out for it and they can add some extra mobility.

If that makes no sense, I'm totally open to hearing some suggestions for a better list. I'm still very new (started collecting in march and played my first game at the end of May) and I'm mostly just reading and guessing. Thanks!


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col_impact wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
Hey everyone, total newbie here. Just started playing a few months ago. I'm going to an event in a few weeks and I'm wondering what your thoughts would be on a question I've been wrestling with.

The event is 3 rounds. Starts at 850 points, next game is 1050 points, and the third is 1250 points. The kicker is that from game to game you can only ADD to the list and can never remove anything from the list you had before.

The list I'm looking at is a CAD which heavily features a large sword+board Lychguard unit. The question I'm wrestling over is whether to stick them with Vargard Obyron and deepstrike them across the table or stick them with Orikan and give them a 4+ RP and re rolling 1s. I'm leaning toward Orikan but I'm afraid that they won't be mobile enough to get anything done. At the same time, if I go Obyron they might just lose too much survivability to make much of a difference. Especially on the turn they deepstrike when they are just sitting around. There isn't really enough wiggle room to take a cryptek w/ solar staff in the first round to make up for it.

Interested to hear some thoughts.

Does the tourney format allow you to re-define your list? For example, let's say you start with a CAD and some Wraiths. Can those Wraiths be organized into a Harvest for round 2?

Nope. Once it's added it can't be adjusted.

You might want to ask for clarification on the rules then. Because if you start with say...

Overlord
2 units of Warriors
3 Wraiths
3 Tomb Blades

Then that can only be organized into a CAD. But later you might add...

1 Tomb Spyder
3 Scarabs
1 unit of Immortals

And now you can organize that into a Decurion Detachment with a Harvest formation as the auxilary. It's all from the codex and you're not 'removing' anything from the list. You're just re-organizing the detachment.

So unless they specifically say you can't change how your units are organized in the detachment, I don't see how it conflicts with their rules.

However, back to your question... I wouldn't include lychguard. Expensive and slow and melee... all attributes of a really bad unit. It takes other things such as veil to give them mobility in order to shore up their major weakness. Instead, you could take a unit of Immortals in order to start with a Reclamation Legion formation right off the bat. That way, you can add other formation later in order to form the Decurion Detachment. This will also avoid any conflicts with the rules about changing you list from a CAD to Decurion by shuffling some units around.

I think your best bang for the buck would be to take a min Canoptek Harvest and min Destroyer cult at 850 and then max them out at 1250


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Zimko wrote:
You might want to ask for clarification on the rules then. Because if you start with say...

Overlord
2 units of Warriors
3 Wraiths
3 Tomb Blades

Then that can only be organized into a CAD. But later you might add...

1 Tomb Spyder
3 Scarabs
1 unit of Immortals

And now you can organize that into a Decurion Detachment with a Harvest formation as the auxilary. It's all from the codex and you're not 'removing' anything from the list. You're just re-organizing the detachment.

So unless they specifically say you can't change how your units are organized in the detachment, I don't see how it conflicts with their rules.

However, back to your question... I wouldn't include lychguard. Expensive and slow and melee... all attributes of a really bad unit. It takes other things such as veil to give them mobility in order to shore up their major weakness. Instead, you could take a unit of Immortals in order to start with a Reclamation Legion formation right off the bat. That way, you can add other formation later in order to form the Decurion Detachment. This will also avoid any conflicts with the rules about changing you list from a CAD to Decurion by shuffling some units around.

Maybe someone could post the Tourney rules in question?

Sure thing, here are the rules as posted:



Lots of questions were posted and answered. For instance, they will be allowing Start Collecting! formations. Decurion style detachments ARE allowed so long as they meet all other rules. No allied detachments allowed. Missions will be Maelstrom and a special homebrew mession from the TO in round 3.

I posted the question about reorganizing and I'll be at the store tonight anyway so I'll see if they have an answer about that.

You might also check to see if the Draft FAQ is legal. If it's not, then the Conclave of the Burning One looks especially tasty, since GMCs and SHVs are not allowed.

col_impact wrote:
You might also check to see if the Draft FAQ is legal. If it's not, then the Conclave of the Burning One looks especially tasty, since GMCs and SHVs are not allowed.

No supplement formations allowed unfortunately

Qlanth wrote:
No non-codex formations with the single exception of Start Collecting! formations.

Go with that, then. From The Sands We Rise is incredibly useful in restricted settings... provided you have everything necessary to field it.
(actually, we should probably get a list of everything you've got available to use so we know what you're working with).

When and Where is this Tournament? Sounds like a ton of fun.

Honestly, you'd be just fine running a CAD if you're running Maelstrom missions straight out of the book. Szeras or Zahndrekh as your WL and you're set.

 Akar wrote:
When and Where is this Tournament? Sounds like a ton of fun.

Honestly, you'd be just fine running a CAD if you're running Maelstrom missions straight out of the book. Szeras or Zahndrekh as your WL and you're set.

Tournament is on July 30th at Flatland Games in Wixom, Michigan. Not too far out of Detroit. Great FLGS and the proprietor is a great guy too.


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 skoffs wrote:

Qlanth wrote:
No non-codex formations with the single exception of Start Collecting! formations.

Go with that, then. From The Sands We Rise is incredibly useful in restricted settings... provided you have everything necessary to field it.
(actually, we should probably get a list of everything you've got available to use so we know what you're working with).

Currently:



So basically, no Destroyers, no C'tan. I plan on filling the Destroyer gap first to be able to field the Destroyer Cult. But, I'm not going to manage that before the event.

Dang it... If it were closer...

With what you have here is what I'd run.

 Akar wrote:
Dang it... If it were closer...

With what you have here is what I'd run.

Spoiler:

CAD
----- 850 -----
Zahndrekh or Szeras
18 Warriors (Zahndrekh/Szeras goes here)
Immortals (8 if Zahndrekh, 10 if Szeras)
5 Tomb Blades (G, SV, N)
5 Wraiths
----- 1050 -----
ADD 15 Warriors
----- 1250
ADD 15 Warriors

I'd run a similar list, but I'd have Tesla Immortals (Yes TESLA!) and Flayed Ones instead of Wraiths. At the 1250 point it'd become a Decurion if it's allowed, and if not, it's still a pretty solid CAD. I've been using Szeras and a full unit of Warriors in smaller games and he is great. Having that RP bubble and 'Immortal Hubris' gives your opponent a tough nut to crack.

I dig it! To be honest I'm a little hesitant to roll with Decurion since its such a low point game and stuff like Wraithknights and spamming Riptides won't be possible. I don't want to be That Guy but I do still want to put up a decent fight and get to know some folks in the local community.

BTW I tried out the 9x Lychguard unit with Obyron in an 850 pt game last night and it worked pretty well... but I think everyone here was right. My opponent (Tau) misplayed pretty bad in a few key points which let the Lychguard and Obyron wipe up a Broadside, unit of pathfinders, two units of fire warriors, and an ethereal before he conceded. By the end of the game I had almost nobody left in the unit. The key was he forgot to detach the Ethereal from a unit of Firewarriors which ended up giving me 5 VPs. Prior to that I was down by 3 VPs. So I ended up winning by one VP. I don't think I'll roll with anything like that again unless we're playing a lot more points.