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harkequin wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
I feel that he can't change is Warlord Trait before the game starts. Infiltrators would be chose at deployment, and that is before the start of the first turn, yes?

He is only allowed to pick a new one from the second turn onward, the issue is if he can repick his starting one.

So Turn 1 : Zealot
Turn 2 : reserves reroll
Turn 3 : zealot

You may only pick each one once, but you dont pick zealot at the start, you start with it.

Misunderstood you, then. Sorry.

That's actually something I've never thought about. Seeing as he never picked it in the first place, I can see that.

Super handy stuff there...

I would say he did pick it because he does have it. Just because it is a forced pick doesn't mean its not a pick. But I am always welcomed for a ruling

 Akar wrote:

6- Triarch Stalker bonus to BS vs. Invisible units?

When has this ever come up? The rule specifically states it doesn't work with Snap Firing, which is what Invis causes you to do.

How do you guys run Tomb Blades? I've only ever run them with Gauss but at a recent event I attended every other Necron player was using the Particle blast weapon. Makes me think I might be missing something.

Qlanth wrote:
How do you guys run Tomb Blades? I've only ever run them with Gauss but at a recent event I attended every other Necron player was using the Particle blast weapon. Makes me think I might be missing something.

I prefer the Gauss with Ignores Cover for hunting vehicles or light infantry. The Particle Beamer is alright, and I plan on running a squad of 10 someday. My goal first is to get 10 with Tesla and run them with the +1 Cover and just have them grab objectives.

I have three built with Tesla in case I want three to stay on a home objective.

Gauss with ignores cover. Tesla broke my heart.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Akar wrote:
6- Triarch Stalker bonus to BS vs. Invisible units?

When has this ever come up? The rule specifically states it doesn't work with Snap Firing, which is what Invis causes you to do.

My bad, it was in my notes. It's written on an ITC mission, so it was probably meant for that and not the general rules. Funny, because I stopped playing any ITC stuff a long time ago.

Qlanth wrote:
How do you guys run Tomb Blades? I've only ever run them with Gauss but at a recent event I attended every other Necron player was using the Particle blast weapon. Makes me think I might be missing something.

I run 10 with Ignore Cover and Particle Beamers and Vanes. Not being dependent on Rapid Fire to get multiple hits the Blasts will usually hit a few models, which is more reliable than having Tesla. Easier to react to enemy movement or keep in range of Triarch Stalkers if you have them around. Often they'll just force my opponent to spread out, making it easier to clear everything within 24" and stall Assaults. The 'Ignore Cover' on an AP- weapon is to force Armor Saves, so still works well on Stealth stuff or Ravenwing. The S6 is good for inflicting ID on low T units like Scarabs or Admech Infiltrators. I've even used it go glance vehicles up to AV12 when there is a lack of targets. You can still Turbo-boost if you absolutely need to have an objective.

While I have no issue running them all the time, I really only recommend them in a Decurion. With Vanes and the +1 RP, you rarely need to 'jink' to survive which is where the drawback is. Even if you are forced to 'jink', I've found it's only in your favor since whatever your opponent is using to do that isn't hitting something else. Having MTC means I have free reign on mobility in Terrain w/o Penalty. Compared to the Gauss TB's that are usually in the open going after an objective or getting the best angle on their target.

Necron FAQ is up, and wow, I must say...


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RIP Conclave.

-Obelisk firing arcs are fixed by being labeled as Sponsons. Neat. Gravity Pulse forces DT-immune dudes to take it anyway. Also neat.
-Conclave of the Burning One can only use a Transcendent C'tan. It is now pretty freaking terrible. The T-C'tan is the worst of the trio and you were usually using it to get the Nightbringer into Gaze of Death/Assault range. Maybe there's something to be made by using it as a footslogging formation to boost the durability of the T-C'tan... but it's still bad.
-On the other hand, they did clarify that Gaze of Death is broken and can shoot into/out of combat and can't be Flicker Jump'd, so we'll see what happens there. Foot C'tan still aren't good.
-Wraiths and C'tan attack at I1 when charging through cover, despite treating it as open ground per the question right afterwards. Great. Almost makes me want to skip on Coils.
-Night Scythes can carry Praetorians for realsies now, which is nice.
-Only 1 Spyder per Harvest. Now everyone can stop fighting about this.
-You keep Adaptive Subroutines until your next Movement Phase, even if you leave the Spyder. Which means teleporting Orikanstar with Harvest Wraiths is clarified to be super strong.
-Hunters from Hyperspace > Gargantuans, which we all assumed anyway.
-Retribution Phalanx Scarabs that respawn can't charge the turn they come back, which weakens it a bit, though it's still pretty good for what it does.


Some good, some bad. I feel kinda apathetic to this one - most of this was already assumed, there were some nerfs but nothing that makes me want to scream like Drop Pod sharing did for Skitarii players, and no buffs that were big enough to make me want to build something new. Might use the Obelisk a bit more, now that some of the bigger questions are cleared up. Might test the new Conclave a couple times to see what the T-C'tan can do, but I'm not expecting much considering how bad the model is compared to the Nightbringer. I'll probably run a Harvest Orikanstar a few times to see how busted it is.

Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

 krodarklorr wrote:
Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

From what I understand, sponson just means "can rotate but is blocked by the vehicle". I don't know what that means for vertical firing, but if they consider it able to move horizontally I think it would make sense to move vertically as well. Overall, it's a buff either way.

Requizen wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

From what I understand, sponson just means "can rotate but is blocked by the vehicle". I don't know what that means for vertical firing, but if they consider it able to move horizontally I think it would make sense to move vertically as well. Overall, it's a buff either way.

If it's blocked by the hull, that's awesome. You could get 3 of them firing at one target. Mmmmm

Yeah, my Obelisk might come out of retirement for a bit. I don't think it's tournament worthy (though there was that one dude at LVO), but it's still pretty solid.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

From what I understand, sponson just means "can rotate but is blocked by the vehicle". I don't know what that means for vertical firing, but if they consider it able to move horizontally I think it would make sense to move vertically as well. Overall, it's a buff either way.

If it's blocked by the hull, that's awesome. You could get 3 of them firing at one target. Mmmmm

No, Sponson means what the gun can physically see. And since the obilisk guns can't physically move that means its 45 degrees

 CrownAxe wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

From what I understand, sponson just means "can rotate but is blocked by the vehicle". I don't know what that means for vertical firing, but if they consider it able to move horizontally I think it would make sense to move vertically as well. Overall, it's a buff either way.

If it's blocked by the hull, that's awesome. You could get 3 of them firing at one target. Mmmmm

No, Sponson means what the gun can physically see. And since the obilisk guns can't physically move that means its 45 degrees

I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but i believe you are thinking of Hull Mounted. Sponsons imply some degree of movement.

Requizen wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

From what I understand, sponson just means "can rotate but is blocked by the vehicle". I don't know what that means for vertical firing, but if they consider it able to move horizontally I think it would make sense to move vertically as well. Overall, it's a buff either way.

If it's blocked by the hull, that's awesome. You could get 3 of them firing at one target. Mmmmm

No, Sponson means what the gun can physically see. And since the obilisk guns can't physically move that means its 45 degrees

I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but i believe you are thinking of Hull Mounted. Sponsons imply some degree of movement.

Hull mounted mean 45 degrees because its stuck their

Sponsons mean whatever the gun physically sees (which is the the diagram for the leman russ's sponsons are only about 90 degrees because the guns can't physically rotate backwards)

 CrownAxe wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Also, you can jump back into Night Scythes. That's pretty cool.

But yeah, isn't a sponson mounted weapon, like, 180" or something? I've literally never used one, so yeah. I want to use my Obelisk again.

From what I understand, sponson just means "can rotate but is blocked by the vehicle". I don't know what that means for vertical firing, but if they consider it able to move horizontally I think it would make sense to move vertically as well. Overall, it's a buff either way.

If it's blocked by the hull, that's awesome. You could get 3 of them firing at one target. Mmmmm

No, Sponson means what the gun can physically see. And since the obilisk guns can't physically move that means its 45 degrees

I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but i believe you are thinking of Hull Mounted. Sponsons imply some degree of movement.

Hull mounted mean 45 degrees because its stuck their

Sponsons mean whatever the gun physically sees (which is the the diagram for the leman russ's sponsons are only about 90 degrees because the guns can't physically rotate backwards)

So basically the FAQ did nothing to clear it up because we're back to "can the gun actually rotate or not" lol.

Oh well. I think if they had intended for it to "not rotate" they would have said to treat it as Hull-Mounted, but I can see your argument. Hopefully they clarify with the final FAQs.

Sponson mouted means it turns as far as vechicle hull allows for it. Something about 270 degree in horizontal arc for necron Obelisk.
I'm dissapointed that it had to be clarified for this one guy - CorwnAxe

 Xyxel wrote:
Sponson mouted means it turns as far as vechicle hull allows for it. Something about 270 degree in horizontal arc for necron Obelisk.
I'm dissapointed that it had to be clarified for this one guy - CorwnAxe

Except the hull doesn't allow for it to rotate at all, and the only tracks on it go up and down.

Sponson does nothing to clarify it at all.

Haha, so many pages...

Anyway, time to pick them apart!
What needs to be clarified?
What did they leave out?

harkequin wrote:

 Xyxel wrote:
Sponson mouted means it turns as far as vechicle hull allows for it. Something about 270 degree in horizontal arc for necron Obelisk.
I'm dissapointed that it had to be clarified for this one guy - CorwnAxe

Except the hull doesn't allow for it to rotate at all, and the only tracks on it go up and down.

Sponson does nothing to clarify it at all.

Nothing rotates when it is glued though.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

harkequin wrote:

 Xyxel wrote:
Sponson mouted means it turns as far as vechicle hull allows for it. Something about 270 degree in horizontal arc for necron Obelisk.
I'm dissapointed that it had to be clarified for this one guy - CorwnAxe

Except the hull doesn't allow for it to rotate at all, and the only tracks on it go up and down.

Sponson does nothing to clarify it at all.

Nothing rotates when it is glued though.

Nothing rotates when its one solid piece, you physically cannot assemble it to rotate.

There is only one argument for the 270 arc RAW , and that's tracing LoS from the sphere, and assuming the oddly barrel shaped part of it , is not in fact the barrell.
Assuming the barrell is the barrell, then each one has a 45^ arc, like a demolisher cannon, and if a demolisher cannon was a pintle, it wouldn't change anything, same here. It was a really silly FAQ, and hopefully it gets clarified by the final draft.

The weapon is called a Tesla Sphere and the Draft FAQ tells us its sponson-mounted and not hull-mounted. The issue has been settled.

harkequin wrote:
It was a really silly FAQ, and hopefully it gets clarified by the final draft.

Well, I certainly hope you've commented as such on the FB page, then.
The more comments they get about something, the more likely they are to give it further attention.

It was one of the first comments for that page.

I find a few things to be a bit bizarre in the Necron Draft FAQ.

1) The T. C'tan is the only one that can be used in the Conclave when it is the only C'tan that makes no mention of it being a "shard". The Conclave Formation specifies "C'tan Shard"

2) Units can re-embark into a Night Scythe. It's nifty and all to be able to do this, but no amount of stretching the actual written rules in the Necron codex can possibly allow this. This really needs to be an errata.

3) Resolving the Retribution Phalanx's return to play ability as a Deep Strike. No amount of stretching the actual written rules for the Retribution Phalanx comes up with a Deep Strike ability.

Yeah the deep strike thing is weird. Does that also mean they have be deployed as a big pile in base contact?


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I just realized they never gave a clarification on what happens if you add scarabs to the unit in a retribution phalanx and they die and come back?