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Does the Lucky Stickk allow reroll SAG scatter dice? I'm thinking no, but hoping for yes.

I think the question is: what constitutes a failed to hit roll with scatter die? An arrow on the Scatter die? Missing the targeted model? Missing the targeted unit? Missing all units? Scattering off the table? Has the question ever come up before?

It has.. I remember thinking it's a gray area.. I would ask ahead before doing it. The argument on one side was "anything that hits the ground is not a miss" the other was "but anything that isn't a direct hit on the scatter dice is a Miss".

I did that with the SAG like two weeks ago my friend had no problem letting me roll anything that scatters again.

You need to look at the rule for re-rolling blast weapons.

If you have the ability to re-roll a To Hit dice, you can re-roll a scatter. There are no "failed to hit on a scatter", you just get a straight up re-roll.

Ammo Runts also do this, there are far more usefull places for the Stikk to go.

 grendel083 wrote:
You need to look at the rule for re-rolling blast weapons.

If you have the ability to re-roll a To Hit dice, you can re-roll a scatter. There are no "failed to hit on a scatter", you just get a straight up re-roll.

Ammo Runts also do this, there are far more usefull places for the Stikk to go.

but you can only use the stikk if the hit roll 'failed'

If you're right and there isn't a "failed to hit on a scatter", can you use the stikk? Why?

jcress410 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
You need to look at the rule for re-rolling blast weapons.

If you have the ability to re-roll a To Hit dice, you can re-roll a scatter. There are no "failed to hit on a scatter", you just get a straight up re-roll.

Ammo Runts also do this, there are far more usefull places for the Stikk to go.

but you can only use the stikk if the hit roll 'failed'

If you're right and there isn't a "failed to hit on a scatter", can you use the stikk? Why?

Read. The. Rules. For. Re-rolling. Blast. Weapons.
It's really not a difficult concept.

rigeld2 wrote:

jcress410 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
You need to look at the rule for re-rolling blast weapons.

If you have the ability to re-roll a To Hit dice, you can re-roll a scatter. There are no "failed to hit on a scatter", you just get a straight up re-roll.

Ammo Runts also do this, there are far more usefull places for the Stikk to go.

but you can only use the stikk if the hit roll 'failed'

If you're right and there isn't a "failed to hit on a scatter", can you use the stikk? Why?

Read. The. Rules. For. Re-rolling. Blast. Weapons.
It's really not a difficult concept.

The rules do not address the question in the thread.
Read. The. Thread. Before. Being. Snarky.

The stikk only lets you reroll failed to hit. The blast rules cover situations where "a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit".

The question in the thread is; do you have the ability to reroll a blast with the stikk. I am leaning toward no because there's no such thing as a failed to-hit with a blast.

There are scatter rolls that result in zero hits, is there a part of the rules you're reading that indicates these kinds of rolls are "failed" ?

Do you have the ability to reroll, if you have the ability to reroll a miss?

(Answer is yes)
The stikk gives you the ability to re-roll a miss. That is the ability to re-roll that the "a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit" is requiring you to have.

jcress410 wrote:
The rules do not address the question in the thread.
Read. The. Thread. Before. Being. Snarky.

I did read the thread.

The stikk only lets you reroll failed to hit. The blast rules cover situations where "a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit".

The question in the thread is; do you have the ability to reroll a blast with the stikk. I am leaning toward no because there's no such thing as a failed to-hit with a blast.

If that's your position, the Prescience doesn't allow you to reroll blasts. Neither does literally any other reroll ability save Twin-Linked. Please at least be consistent.

jcress410 wrote:
The stikk only lets you reroll failed to hit.

You'll find that every single re-roll ability is the same, they all say re-roll failed to hit rolls.
Prescience is re-rolls failed to hit rolls, twin-link the same - re-roll failed to hit rolls etc.

As far as I know, the only re-roll ability that just grants a straight re-roll (hit or miss) is the Ork Ammo-Runt.

From Codex Orks:

In addition, the bearer can choose to re-roll any failed To Hit or To Wound rolls or saving throws that they make.

It is as rigled2 and the others have stated.

rigeld2 wrote:

jcress410 wrote:
The rules do not address the question in the thread.
Read. The. Thread. Before. Being. Snarky.

I did read the thread.

The stikk only lets you reroll failed to hit. The blast rules cover situations where "a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit".

The question in the thread is; do you have the ability to reroll a blast with the stikk. I am leaning toward no because there's no such thing as a failed to-hit with a blast.

If that's your position, the Prescience doesn't allow you to reroll blasts. Neither does literally any other reroll ability save Twin-Linked. Please at least be consistent.

I'm not sure its my position, but it is one reading.

I'm just trying to figure out how we know a blast has 'failed' in order to be eligible for a re-roll. Thats the part I can't find in the rules.

Is it zero hits?

It is "Yes", because the rules do not require you to have a "good enough" ability to reroll; just an ability to reroll.

DLS gives a reroll, therefore this works on the to-hit

jcress410 wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how we know a blast has 'failed' in order to be eligible for a re-roll. Thats the part I can't find in the rules.

They don't Hit/Miss, they have a different mechanic.

That's why blasts have a rule, that says if you have the ability to re-roll a to hit roll, you can re-roll the blast.

Re-rolling failed to hit rolls, is an ability to re-roll.

jcress410 wrote:
I'm not sure its my position, but it is one reading.

I'm just trying to figure out how we know a blast has 'failed' in order to be eligible for a re-roll. Thats the part I can't find in the rules.

Is it zero hits?

Do you have the ability to re-roll hits? It's a yes or no question - "sometimes" isn't a valid answer.

While trying not to pour oil over the "Re-roll To Hit and Blast weapons" debate, I can point out that there is only 1 rule that "defines" what a "failed To Hit" is for Blasts:

Twin-linked

If a shooting weapon has the twin-linked special rule, (...) it re-rolls all failed To Hit rolls.

Twin-linked Blast Weapons
If the scatter dice does not roll a hit, you can choose to re-roll the dice with a Twin-linked Blast weapon. If you choose to do so, you must re-roll both the 2D6 and the scatter dice.

So you could technically conclude that the Lucky Stickk allows you to "re-roll both the 2D6 and the scatter dice" if "the scatter dice does not roll a hit".

And now i'm out before i get lynched...

 BlackTalos wrote:
While trying not to pour oil over the "Re-roll To Hit and Blast weapons" debate, I can point out that there is only 1 rule that "defines" what a "failed To Hit" is for Blasts:

Twin-linked

If a shooting weapon has the twin-linked special rule, (...) it re-rolls all failed To Hit rolls.

Twin-linked Blast Weapons
If the scatter dice does not roll a hit, you can choose to re-roll the dice with a Twin-linked Blast weapon. If you choose to do so, you must re-roll both the 2D6 and the scatter dice.

So you could technically conclude that the Lucky Stickk allows you to "re-roll both the 2D6 and the scatter dice" if "the scatter dice does not roll a hit".

And now i'm out before i get lynched...

Leave me out of this

anyway, I agree with your conclusion since I'm here.

 BlackTalos wrote:
While trying not to pour oil over the "Re-roll To Hit and Blast weapons" debate, I can point out that there is only 1 rule that "defines" what a "failed To Hit" is for Blasts:

Twin-linked

If a shooting weapon has the twin-linked special rule, (...) it re-rolls all failed To Hit rolls.

Twin-linked Blast Weapons
If the scatter dice does not roll a hit, you can choose to re-roll the dice with a Twin-linked Blast weapon. If you choose to do so, you must re-roll both the 2D6 and the scatter dice.

So you could technically conclude that the Lucky Stickk allows you to "re-roll both the 2D6 and the scatter dice" if "the scatter dice does not roll a hit".

And now i'm out before i get lynched...

That does not define a non hit roll as a failed to hit though. It is a leap to say the two are linked.

That's just how Twin-Linked works with blasts. It never says "this is a failed To Hit".
It doesn't define anything.

Under blast weapons, it states that any ability to reroll to hit allows you to reroll both the scatter dice and however many d6 you rolled for scatter. Heck, tactical doctrine only gives re rolls of ones but it lets thunderfire cannons reroll their scatter dice.

Edit: though I suppose the lucky stick, if it's worded as 'reroll misses' might strictly be different, as its worded... Differently.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Edit: though I suppose the lucky stick, if it's worded as 'reroll misses' might strictly be different, as its worded... Differently.

That's how almost every re-roll ability is written.