The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition

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**whembly**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Anyone else think Hillary might actually be the best for the job?

Nope. She's disqualified herself.

I mean She was the first Lady(She was very close to the president)

Means diddly squat. That's like saying Michelle Obama or Barb Bush would be a great candidate.

She was a Senator

Senators historically don't make great Presidents.... just look at the current one.

And she has been secratary of the state for 8 years.

4 years. John Kerry is the current one in Obama's 2nd term.

Foriegn policy was a disaster during Clinton's tenure. (Russia reset button, 'ghazi, Arab springs, etc...)

Not to mention the fact that the Clinton's Foundation was a means that foreign powers to participate in "pay-to-play" scheme to get favorable actions during Clinton's tenure.

I think, beyond all these senators running, she might be the best for the job.

Nah... I think she's the worst.

However, I'd may hold my nose to vote for Clinton if Trump becomes the Republican candidate. ugh... then, put me in a psych ward.

**cincydooley**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Anyone else think Hillary might actually be the best for the job?

No

I mean She was the first Lady(She was very close to the president)

So is Michelle Obama. No one thinks she should run for president.

She was a Senator

That had a history of flip flopping on issues (including gay marriage) to serve her interests.

And she has been secratary of the state for 8 years.

Or 4 years. And did nothing eventful during that tenure, except, apparently being incredibly dishonest.

**dogma**

whembly wrote:

Senators historically don't make great Presidents.... just look at the current one.

There is no consistent, historical trend tying the previous experience of a President to his success while in the highest office; good or bad.

whembly wrote:

Foriegn policy was a disaster during Clinton's tenure. (Russia reset button, 'ghazi, Arab springs, etc...)

Wait, you're trying to pin some amorphous complaint about the Arab Spring on Clinton? What? I mean, I get the general argument regarding Russia (though I would likely dispute your version of it), and I'll even grant you Benghazi (though that was a minor issue in terms of overall foreign policy), but the Arab Spring?

whembly wrote:

Not to mention the fact that the Clinton's Foundation was a means that foreign powers to participate in "pay-to-play" scheme to get favorable actions during Clinton's tenure.

That's open for debate.

**Breotan**

Well, apparently Biden isn't going to run after all. Looks like it's a farce of a primary for the Democrats until Hillary is officially nominated. Still, it means they don't have to spend as much money as the Republicans who still have to go through a meat grinder.

**Ouze**

Breotan wrote:
as the Republicans who still have to go through a meat grinder.

Anyone else hear that in Schwarzenegger's voice?

**Breotan**

Ouze wrote:
Breotan wrote:
as the Republicans who still have to go through a meat grinder.

Anyone else hear that in Schwarzenegger's voice?

It's not a tumor!

**daedalus**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Anyone else think Hillary might actually be the best for the job?
I mean She was the first Lady(She was very close to the president)
She was a Senator
And she has been secratary of the state for 8 years.
I think, beyond all these senators running, she might be the best for the job.

Nope. Gotta agree with Hulk.

Also, two of the three positions (can you really count 'First Lady'? Really?) you consider her accomplishments, she was not voted into the position, so it hardly reflects anything regarding the will of the people.

**ZergSmasher**

whembly wrote:

However, I'd may hold my nose to vote for Clinton if Trump becomes the Republican candidate. ugh... then, put me in a psych ward.

I actually kind of like Trump. Instead of pandering to the masses, he tells it like it is even when he knows the media is going to pin him to the wall for it. We need a president like that, one with brass balls who's not afraid to speak his mind. He has no realistic chance of being elected because too many people just blindly listen to the liberal media telling them who would make a better president (that is part of how Obama got elected, that and the Republicans put up some weak-ass candidates), and the media hates Trump (mostly because he's a Republican and he's super-rich).

Of course it would be cool if he got elected and we could have The Apprentice: Presidential Cabinet Edition be how he chooses his close advisors! Lol JK!

**BlaxicanX**

Why do people think that being blunt somehow makes up for being an idiot?

**Ouze**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Why do people think that being blunt somehow makes up for being an idiot?

Yeah, he's saying stupid things, but listen to how confidently he says stupid things, and doesn't care who tells him how stupid they are! He's got my vote

**A Town Called Malus**

ZergSmasher wrote:
whembly wrote:

However, I'd may hold my nose to vote for Clinton if Trump becomes the Republican candidate. ugh... then, put me in a psych ward.

I actually kind of like Trump. Instead of pandering to the masses, he tells it like it is even when he knows the media is going to pin him to the wall for it. We need a president like that, one with brass balls who's not afraid to speak his mind. He has no realistic chance of being elected because too many people just blindly listen to the liberal media telling them who would make a better president (that is part of how Obama got elected, that and the Republicans put up some weak-ass candidates), and the media hates Trump (mostly because he's a Republican and he's super-rich).

Of course it would be cool if he got elected and we could have The Apprentice: Presidential Cabinet Edition be how he chooses his close advisors! Lol JK!

Actually, having a president who just "speaks his mind" would be disastrous for your country if that persons mind lacks the intellectual power of an average potato. What'll you do when he accidentally calls the Chinese president a racial slur, or something like that?

An honest imbecile is still an imbecile.

**AlmightyWalrus**

As someone who almost doesn't parttake of US news media at all, if the US wants to lose its status as world hegemon and shoot itself in the foot, Trump is the man to elect. The man's a walking parody of right-wing politics.

**Jihadin**

Ouze wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Why do people think that being blunt somehow makes up for being an idiot?

Yeah, he's saying stupid things, but listen to how confidently he says stupid things, and doesn't care who tells him how stupid they are! He's got my vote

Ditto. So tired of of career politicians and the stupid "status quo"

**kronk**

My Uncle "tells it like it is". He's 55, unemployed, racist, alcoholic, and lives with my grandmother.

I would not find it refreshing for him to be involved in politics in any manner.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

kronk wrote:
My Uncle "tells it like it is". He's 55, unemployed, racist, alcoholic, and lives with my grandmother.

I would not find it refreshing for him to be involved in politics in any manner.

He's got the vote, so technically he is involved in politics

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Jihadin wrote:
Ouze wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
Why do people think that being blunt somehow makes up for being an idiot?

Yeah, he's saying stupid things, but listen to how confidently he says stupid things, and doesn't care who tells him how stupid they are! He's got my vote

Ditto. So tired of of career politicians and the stupid "status quo"

It has been said that society gets the leaders it deserves, which explains why the UK and the US are in such a mess

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AlmightyWalrus wrote:
As someone who almost doesn't parttake of US news media at all, if the US wants to lose its status as world hegemon and shoot itself in the foot, Trump is the man to elect. The man's a walking parody of right-wing politics.

Here in Scotland, Trump is about as popular as Obama at an NRA convention.

Why? Because he tried to build a golf course, which involved kicking people of land they didn't want to sell to him.

Trump got nasty, but one old guy stood his ground and made Trump look like an idiot.

You should look it up.

I'm surprised Hollywood never made it into a film.

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A Town Called Malus wrote:
ZergSmasher wrote:
whembly wrote:

However, I'd may hold my nose to vote for Clinton if Trump becomes the Republican candidate. ugh... then, put me in a psych ward.

I actually kind of like Trump. Instead of pandering to the masses, he tells it like it is even when he knows the media is going to pin him to the wall for it. We need a president like that, one with brass balls who's not afraid to speak his mind. He has no realistic chance of being elected because too many people just blindly listen to the liberal media telling them who would make a better president (that is part of how Obama got elected, that and the Republicans put up some weak-ass candidates), and the media hates Trump (mostly because he's a Republican and he's super-rich).

Of course it would be cool if he got elected and we could have The Apprentice: Presidential Cabinet Edition be how he chooses his close advisors! Lol JK!

Actually, having a president who just "speaks his mind" would be disastrous for your country if that persons mind lacks the intellectual power of an average potato. What'll you do when he accidentally calls the Chinese president a racial slur, or something like that?

An honest imbecile is still an imbecile.

But on the other hand, a smart guy who bores people to death isn't preferable, either. The USA can ill afford another Gerald Ford

**AlmightyWalrus**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
As someone who almost doesn't parttake of US news media at all, if the US wants to lose its status as world hegemon and shoot itself in the foot, Trump is the man to elect. The man's a walking parody of right-wing politics.

Here in Scotland, Trump is about as popular as Obama at an NRA convention.

Why? Because he tried to build a golf course, which involved kicking people of land they didn't want to sell to him.

Trump got nasty, but one old guy stood his ground and made Trump look like an idiot.

You should look it up.

He's rather desperate to stop the wind turbine park Vattenfall is planning on building off the coast of his gold paradise apparently.

**Tannhauser42**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It has been said that society gets the leaders it deserves, which explains why the UK and the US are in such a mess

As George Carlin put it:
"Everybody complains about politicians.
Everybody says they suck. But where do
the people think these politicians come from?
They don't fall out of the sky.
They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.
They come from american parents and american families, american homes,
american schools, american churches, american businesses and american universities.
and they're elected by american citizens.
This is the best we can do, folks.
This is what we have to offer.
It's what our system produces
Garbage in, garbage out!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens,
you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It has been said that society gets the leaders it deserves, which explains why the UK and the US are in such a mess

As George Carlin put it:
"Everybody complains about politicians.
Everybody says they suck. But where do
the people think these politicians come from?
They don't fall out of the sky.
They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.
They come from american parents and american families, american homes,
american schools, american churches, american businesses and american universities.
and they're elected by american citizens.
This is the best we can do, folks.
This is what we have to offer.
It's what our system produces
Garbage in, garbage out!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens,
you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

I miss George Carlin - he died too soon...

**ZergSmasher**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It has been said that society gets the leaders it deserves, which explains why the UK and the US are in such a mess

As George Carlin put it:
"Everybody complains about politicians.
Everybody says they suck. But where do
the people think these politicians come from?
They don't fall out of the sky.
They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.
They come from american parents and american families, american homes,
american schools, american churches, american businesses and american universities.
and they're elected by american citizens.
This is the best we can do, folks.
This is what we have to offer.
It's what our system produces
Garbage in, garbage out!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens,
you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

I miss George Carlin - he died too soon...

Indeed...RIP George!

**hotsauceman1**

kronk wrote:
My Uncle "tells it like it is". He's 55, unemployed, racist, alcoholic, and lives with my grandmother.

I would not find it refreshing for him to be involved in politics in any manner.

My family says
"Telling it like it is" is just another way of saying "IM AN ASS"

**whembly**

Is this the beginning of the Trump decline?
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2291

Carson is now leading Trump by 9%.

Still waaaaaaaaay too early. For point of reference, at this time in 2011, Hermane Cain was leading the pack.

**jasper76**

Is today's Benghazi hearing designed to make Clinton look presidential?

**whembly**

jasper76 wrote:
Is today's Benghazi hearing designed to make Clinton look presidential?

wait... wut?

Sadly, these types of hearings almost never result in criminal prosecutions. It isn’t their purpose. However, this committee's work has been instrumental in getting the facts out into the open over this debacle, which hopefully creates an avenue to change flawed procedures and improve security at diplomatic posts.

It also has put a sort of albatross around Hillary’s neck and led, in part, to the email scandal that is currently weighing down her Presidential campaign.

However, I'm sure I'll get warned for contributing to any 'ghazi topics in this thread(even tho there's a political slant)... so, anyone what to startup a new thread?

**streamdragon**

whembly wrote:
It isn’t their purpose. However, this committee's work has been instrumental in getting the facts out into the open over this debacle, which hopefully creates an avenue to change flawed procedures and improve security at diplomatic posts.

R kool-aid is strong with this one.

These things have never been about "open facts". You want proof? How about the party line vote by Rs to continue to hide transcripts? The one that was done today, right after Gowdy complained about cherry-picking transcripts. So they vote to ... cherry pick transcripts.

This isn't and has never been about facts. It's about a political crap smearing, that's all.

**whembly**

streamdragon wrote:
whembly wrote:
It isn’t their purpose. However, this committee's work has been instrumental in getting the facts out into the open over this debacle, which hopefully creates an avenue to change flawed procedures and improve security at diplomatic posts.

R kool-aid is strong with this one.

These things have never been about "open facts". You want proof? How about the party line vote by Rs to continue to hide transcripts? The one that was done today, right after Gowdy complained about cherry-picking transcripts. So they vote to ... cherry pick transcripts.

This isn't and has never been about facts. It's about a political crap smearing, that's all.

Erm... hide what transcripts?

**jasper76**

whembly wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
Is today's Benghazi hearing designed to make Clinton look presidential?

wait... wut?

Sadly, these types of hearings almost never result in criminal prosecutions. It isn’t their purpose. However, this committee's work has been instrumental in getting the facts out into the open over this debacle, which hopefully creates an avenue to change flawed procedures and improve security at diplomatic posts.

It also has put a sort of albatross around Hillary’s neck and led, in part, to the email scandal that is currently weighing down her Presidential campaign.

However, I'm sure I'll get warned for contributing to any 'ghazi topics in this thread(even tho there's a political slant)... so, anyone what to startup a new thread?

You should watch the hearing. The GOP members of the committee seem as though they are having incredible difficulty with basic comprehension, the Democrats seem like sycophants...the only one looking good is Clinton.

**cincydooley**

jasper76 wrote:
Is today's Benghazi hearing designed to make Clinton look presidential?

Are you gaking me?

She's coming across as flippant and dismissive. She's had this "entitled to the presidency" air about her for over a year. She's the antithesis of presidential.

I don't agree with most of what Sanders has to say, but is take him over her 8 days a week.

At least has some integrity.

**whembly**

Apparently Jim Jordan just obliterated Clinton...

Providing newly released emails that the State was forced to turn over recently... on 9/12, Clinton publically blamed that youtube video, but on the SAME day Clinton emailed her family that it was an al Queada affliate and not the video. She also called the Egyption president Morsi at the time to say that it wasn't the video either.

O.o

Clinton wasn't prepared for that.

**jasper76**

cincydooley wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
Is today's Benghazi hearing designed to make Clinton look presidential?

Are you gaking me?

She's coming across as flippant and dismissive. She's had this "entitled to the presidency" air about her for over a year. She's the antithesis of presidential.

I don't agree with most of what Sanders has to say, but is take him over her 8 days a week.

At least has some integrity.

Eye of the Beholder, I guess. I have no special love of Clinton, but her performance here is going to end up as awesome PR.

**whembly**

O.o

WESTMORELAND: Just to follow up on one thing about Ambassador Stevens. You got a lot of e-mails from Sidney Blumenthal. And you say that Mr. Blumenthal was a friend of yours. And he had your personal e-mail address.

You say Chris Stevens was a friend of yours. He asked numerous of times for extra protection. Now, if I had been Mr. Stevens — and I think anybody out there — anybody watching this would agree.

If I had been Mr. Stevens and I had had a relationship with you, and I had requested 20 or more times for additional security to protect not only my life but the people that were there with me, I would have gotten in touch with you some way.

I would have let you know that I was in danger, and that the situation had deteriorated to a point, I needed you to do something. Did he have your personal e-mail?

CLINTON: Congressman, I — I do not believe that he had my personal e-mail.

O.o

That'll sting...