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2016/01/17 21:20:41
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
CLASS WARDetroit’s Teachers Want You to See These Disturbing Photos of Their Toxic SchoolsDylan Hock | January 17, 2016
Mushrooms, black mold, fecal matter, dead rodents, no heat. Detroit’s schools are just as toxic as Flint’s water.
Detroit’s students are trying to learn while breathing in black mold and sitting in classrooms filled with buckets catching toilet water leaking through the ceiling. And that’s not even the worst part.
Republican Governor Rick Snyder is not only using the financial emergency management laws to poison children in Flint; he’s doing the same thing in Detroit via the public school system, which the state has controlled for the last seven years. Darnell Earley, the same emergency manager who oversaw the changes in Flint’s water system, is currently in charge of Detroit’s public schools.
The people of Flint wanted the world to see the pictures detailing their horrifying conditions. But now, teachers and parents want the world to see these images from Detroit Public Schools under the direction of Gov. Snyder’s emergency management to get a better, broader idea of how Snyder ignores children for the sake of the bottom line:
One Detroit teacher even quit her job to work elsewhere, due to horrendous classroom conditions taking a toll on her health. Nancy Muerhoff, a kindergarten teacher at Carleton Elementary in Detroit, said water from toilets above her classroom has been leaking through her classroom’s ceiling for over three years. Her classroom is connected to a dilapidated greenhouse that hasn’t been cleaned in years. Muerhoff said her classroom has a distinct odor that gives her frequent headaches:
The door to the green house doesn’t have a doorknob, insulation, or a lock. She put bags in the doorknob hole after squirrels kept getting in to her classroom.
“I have told the building manager,” said Muerhoff. “He says, ‘Oh we have to get a contractor.’ The contractor never comes out.”
The windows in the greenhouse are covered in a black substance. She doesn’t know if it is mold or mildew. She knows it smells and isn’t clean.
CLASS WARDetroit’s Teachers Want You to See These Disturbing Photos of Their Toxic SchoolsDylan Hock | January 17, 2016
Mushrooms, black mold, fecal matter, dead rodents, no heat. Detroit’s schools are just as toxic as Flint’s water.
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Detroit’s students are trying to learn while breathing in black mold and sitting in classrooms filled with buckets catching toilet water leaking through the ceiling. And that’s not even the worst part.
Republican Governor Rick Snyder is not only using the financial emergency management laws to poison children in Flint; he’s doing the same thing in Detroit via the public school system, which the state has controlled for the last seven years. Darnell Earley, the same emergency manager who oversaw the changes in Flint’s water system, is currently in charge of Detroit’s public schools.
The people of Flint wanted the world to see the pictures detailing their horrifying conditions. But now, teachers and parents want the world to see these images from Detroit Public Schools under the direction of Gov. Snyder’s emergency management to get a better, broader idea of how Snyder ignores children for the sake of the bottom line:
(Image via YouTube screen capture)
One Detroit teacher even quit her job to work elsewhere, due to horrendous classroom conditions taking a toll on her health. Nancy Muerhoff, a kindergarten teacher at Carleton Elementary in Detroit, said water from toilets above her classroom has been leaking through her classroom’s ceiling for over three years. Her classroom is connected to a dilapidated greenhouse that hasn’t been cleaned in years. Muerhoff said her classroom has a distinct odor that gives her frequent headaches:
The door to the green house doesn’t have a doorknob, insulation, or a lock. She put bags in the doorknob hole after squirrels kept getting in to her classroom.
“I have told the building manager,” said Muerhoff. “He says, ‘Oh we have to get a contractor.’ The contractor never comes out.”
The windows in the greenhouse are covered in a black substance. She doesn’t know if it is mold or mildew. She knows it smells and isn’t clean.
Detroit Schools are so cold in the wintertime that students expect to have to wear their coats in the classroom, and those same students attempt to learn in the midst of heat exhaustion during the hotter months.
Students are forced to learn in the midst of black mold — where crumbling walls, floors, and ceilings drip rain on their heads and electronics. Their bathrooms are broken, and the drinking fountains are scarce. Mushrooms are literally growing from the walls. There is a mustiness in the air and people are getting sick, coming down with headaches, and finding it difficult to breathe. It’s gotten so bad, teachers have been waging sick-outs to draw attention to the matter, a protest method that Emergency Manager Earley smugly derided as “misguided.”
Drawing a parallel to Snyder’s emergency management poisoning kids to save money in Flint, former DPS student, Tracy Russell, who now works as a teacher within the district and who has three children attending DPS schools, said, “[The children of Flint] were poisoned to save a dime. So, you know, it just begs the question … we can do better. The sick-out says ‘enough is enough.’”
When Mayor Mike Duggan toured DPS schools on Tuesday in response to the sick-out protests, he saw kids with coats on in the classroom as well as a dead mouse lying in a trap right out in the open, and he called what he witnessed throughout his DPS tour “deeply disturbing.”
President of the American Federation of Teachers-Michigan, David Hecker, also saw the parallels, telling Duggan at the end of his DPS tour, “No child in Flint should have to drink lead in water and no child in Detroit should have to learn under such conditions.”
As far as Hecker is concerned, “The governor, legislature, and the emergency manager need to take action.”
Mayor Duggan also called out Gov. Snyder over the conditions of DPS schools, if timidly, stating, “Lansing needs to address these issues with urgency. We’re heading toward seven years of state takeover and test scores are low, and there’s a bigger deficit than before. After seven years of running the schools, the state needs to do something.”
Governor Snyder and EM Earley not only need to resign, they need to face legal action for their crimes — poisoning the bodies, minds, and environments of entire communities isn’t just immoral, it’s criminal.
Lots of pictures in the link showing the conditions in Detroit Public Schools. The same guy in charge of changing Flint's water is in charge of the DPS system now.
These Republican governors, just killing it.
2016/01/17 21:47:52
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Problems with Detroit's schools predate this administration but they really do need to be delt with. Still, I really don't understand why they're keeping Earley around. His decisions are as toxic as the results they bring. Snyder has to know that.
2016/01/18 01:50:57
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
If Synder was smart he would resign soon before people start calling for his head. His career is probably done at this point.
The DPS thing has been a problem for a long time which is true. I went through the DPS system 17 years ago and it was pretty bad then, it has only gotten worse with time.
2016/01/19 03:01:23
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Setting aside the general consensus that this guy is an asshat, are the Democrats really going to try and criminalize the First Amendment? I don't see how this makes them look good. In fact, I see this backfiring on them the way the government shutdown backfired on the Republicans.
2016/01/19 03:12:18
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
"Nothing" is what's going to happen from that article.
Also, while I'm sure that comment and others are the catalyst for this ill-fated waste of taxpayer dollars, they're looking into abuse of power, not being a jerk and/or racist.
The latter issue is one for the voters, not the legislature.
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2016/01/19 04:34:46
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Ouze wrote: Also, while I'm sure that comment and others are the catalyst for this ill-fated waste of taxpayer dollars, they're looking into abuse of power, not being a jerk and/or racist.
I dunno. That article certainly seemed intent on portraying this as Democrats trying to impeach the Governor mostly because they really hate him.
2016/01/19 04:42:13
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I kind of hate him but I don't think being a douchebag is an impeachable offense. I will however strongly state my opinion that he is a douchebag, and possibly gather a group of others of like mind to vote on some measure to that effect
The article is just a good reminder that Republicans aren't the only ones who waste tax payer dollars on not gonna go anywhere procedures all while embarrassing themselves just as much if not more than their political opponents
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whembly wrote: Why him saying ""I think most people know exactly what New York values are: socially liberal, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, focused on money and the media" an insult?
At worst, it's no different than Obama's "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion" thang.
Interesting contrast, especially if we look at the full text of Obama’s statement; “You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them, and they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Obama was giving a sympathetic view, and taking the blame upon his own political class – ‘they hold to side issues so dearly because we have repeatedly failed them on issues that really matter’ to paraphrase. We can debate whether that’s true or not, but it’s interesting to note how inclusive the statement is, compared to how it was spun at the time (and how you came to remember it).
Compare that to Cruz’ comment, which asserts a single culture on a city, and then claims that one individual must have that culture because he is from that city. Which is basically the culture war myth boiled down in to its most pure, most vacuous form.
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whembly wrote: God forbid that I say something bad to your Obamy-poo.
No, it is simply a matter of factual accuracy. Obama’s statement was actually nothing like you claimed, and when put against Cruz’ comment the contrast is quite telling.
It’s a shame you’ve tried to drag it down to ‘your side/my side’, because that’s the most boring way to look at politics.
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LordofHats wrote: So you're telling me that the GOP damns, bemoans, demonizes, and outright insults college kids every election cycle, and even when it's not an election cycle because by god "they're complaining about racism on campus how will they ever function in the real world", and I'm supposed to believe that College grads vote majority Republican?
The more you know.
Sort of. College grads vote Republican over all because college grads average significantly higher incomes, and people with higher incomes are much more likely to vote Republican. End of the day economic interests drive voting habits more than any other factor - people who earn high incomes favour the party that makes noise about lowering taxes.
However, if you control for income and then look at college education the relationship flips. Take 100 people who earn the same amount and divide them in to college graduates and not. The college graduates will have a much higher % of democrats than the non-college graduates.
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dogma wrote: Not just the far right, pretty much the entirety of the right. Iran is a country which is easy to demonize, and taking an aggressive stance against it is an easy way to establish hawk cred.
Yeah, and if Iran wasn’t so easy they’d pick someone else. To look like a big, strong alpha who’ll take on anyone to protect America, then you need to find a country to be aggressive towards. If there isn’t a serious rival, then you make one.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2016/01/19 14:15:47
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Here's a quick update of what happened in the British Parliament's debate on the question of banning Donald Trump from entering the UK, for any American dakka member who might be interested.
Although there was universal consensus amongst MPs that Trump is a "buffoon" and an "idiot," Parliament decided that Trump posses no threat to the British public, and banning him would go against British values of democracy and free speech...
Plus the unspoken agreement that it would be embarrassing for Britain if we ban a man who ends up becoming the president of the USA
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/01/19 15:14:27
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/01/19 15:29:23
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
motyak wrote: Wasn't it something along the lines of "we should answer him with that age old British response, the most dry and sarcastic of ridiculule"
And that as well.
It's not for any non-American to lecture Americans how to vote, but if America does vote Trump, and he wants payback, I say this to the USA:
Bring it on!
Nobody has invaded the British isles for a 1000 years. We've seen off Napoleon and Hitler, but then again, Bieber took over
and root beer. I'll never forgive America for that
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/01/19 16:34:50
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
and root beer. I'll never forgive America for that
If all you get are the major brands, then I can understand the sentiment. In such an instance the only proper response is to add whiskey...lots of whiskey.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2016/01/19 17:05:37
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Although there was universal consensus amongst MPs that Trump is a "buffoon" and an "idiot," Parliament decided that Trump posses no threat to the British public, and banning him would go against British values of democracy and free speech...
Wait, Arent there already people who have been banned from Britain because they are exercising free speech. Like the WestBoro Babptist
5000pts 6000pts 3000pts
2016/01/19 17:34:31
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
The US legal definition of free speech doesn't line up 100% with other countries - for example, Canada has more regulations on what they define as "hate speech" which would be protected speech here. So your concept of what the Westboro Baptist Church does as being protected speech - "free speech" - wouldn't necessarily translate elsewhere and is not a good premise to start from.
So there's talk that Palin is going to endorse Trump today/soon then ?
.. Kiss of death for him there then or not ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/01/19 18:01:27
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok thn, but is banning trump goes against their ideas of democracy & Free Speech why is it ok for other people to be banned?
Because other people are not running for the presidency of the world's most powerful nation!
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/01/19 20:44:59
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
reds8n wrote: So there's talk that Palin is going to endorse Trump today/soon then ?
.. Kiss of death for him there then or not ?
I wouldn't vote for Trump anyway, but I freely admit she's the sole reason I didn't vote for McCain.
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2016/01/19 23:01:53
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
reds8n wrote: So there's talk that Palin is going to endorse Trump today/soon then ?
.. Kiss of death for him there then or not ?
It's an endorsement, so no. Now if he were to nominate her as his running mate then that would be a different story.
Yah know what? Feth it, lets make her his running mate. Just burn everything to the ground. America can finally have what it always wanted, actual crazy people in charge.
2016/01/19 23:11:15
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
In 1936 Senator Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a charismatic and power-hungry politician, wins the election as President of the United States on a populist platform, promising to restore the country to prosperity and greatness, and promising each citizen $5,000 a year. Portraying himself as a champion of traditional American values, Windrip easily defeats his opponents, Senator Walt Trowbridge and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Though having previously foreshadowed some authoritarian measures in order to reorganize the United States government, Windrip rapidly outlaws dissent, incarcerates political enemies in concentration camps, and trains and arms a paramilitary force called the Minute Men, who terrorize citizens and enforce the policies of Windrip and his "corporatist" regime. One of his first acts as president is to eliminate the influence of the United States Congress, which draws the ire of many citizens as well as the legislators themselves. The Minute Men respond to protests against Windrip's decisions harshly, attacking demonstrators with bayonets. In addition to these actions, Windrip's administration, known as the "Corpo" government, curtails women's and minority rights, and eliminates individual states by subdividing the country into administrative sectors. The government of these sectors is managed by "Corpo" authorities, usually prominent businessmen or Minute Men officers. Those accused of crimes against the government appear before kangaroo courts presided over by "military judges". Despite these dictatorial (and "quasi-draconian") measures, a majority of Americans approve of them, seeing them as necessary but painful steps to restore American power. Others, those less enthusiastic about the prospect of corporatism, reassure themselves that fascism cannot "happen here", hence the novel's title.
Open opponents of Windrip, led by Senator Trowbridge, form an organization called the New Underground, helping dissidents escape to Canada in manners reminiscent of the Underground Railroad and distributing anti-Windrip propaganda. One recruit to the New Underground is Doremus Jessup, the novel's protagonist, a traditional liberal and an opponent of both Corpoism and communist theories, which Windrip's administration suppresses. Jessup's participation in the organization results in the publication of a periodical called The Vermont Vigilance, in which he writes editorials decrying Windrip's abuses of power. Shad Ledue, the local district commissioner and Jessup's former hired man, resents his old employer and eventually discovers his actions, having him sent to a concentration camp. Ledue subsequently terrorizes Jessup's family and particularly his daughter Sissy, whom he unsuccessfully attempts to seduce. Sissy does, however, discover evidence of corrupt dealings on the part of Ledue, which she exposes to Francis Tasbrough, a one-time friend of Jessup and Ledue's superior in the administrative hierarchy. Tasbrough has Ledue imprisoned in the same camp as Jessup, where inmates he had sent there organize his murder. Jessup escapes, after a relatively brief incarceration, when his friends bribe one of the camp guards. He flees to Canada, where he rejoins the New Underground. He later serves the organization as a spy in the Northeastern United States, passing along information and urging locals to resist Windrip.
In time, Windrip's hold on power weakens as the economic prosperity he promised does not materialize and increased numbers of disillusioned Americans, including Vice President Perley Beecroft, fleeing to both Canada and Mexico. He also angers his Secretary of State, Lee Sarason, who had served earlier as his chief political operative and adviser. Sarason and Windrip's other lieutenants, including General Dewey Haik, seize power and exile the president to France. Sarason succeeds Windrip, but his extravagant and relatively weak rule creates a power vacuum in which Haik and others vie for power. In a bloody putsch, Haik leads a party of military supporters into the White House, kills Sarason and his associates, and proclaims himself president. The two coups cause a slow erosion of Corpo power, and Haik's government desperately tries to arouse patriotism by launching an unjustified invasion of Mexico. After slandering Mexico in state-run newspapers, Haik orders a mass conscription of young American men for the invasion of that country, infuriating many who had until then been staunch Corpo loyalists. Riots and rebellions break out across the country, with many realizing that the Corpos have misled them.
General Emmanuel [see forum posting rules], among Haik's senior officers, defects to the opposition with a large portion of his army, giving strength to the resistance movement. Though Haik remains in control of much of the country, civil war soon breaks out as the resistance tries to consolidate its grasp on the Midwest. The novel ends after the beginning of the conflict, with Jessup working as an agent for the New Underground in Corpo-occupied portions of southern Minnesota.
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2016/01/20 01:48:02
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Plus the unspoken agreement that it would be embarrassing for Britain if we ban a man who ends up becoming the president of the USA
The EU, UK and the USA all banned Narendra Modi from entering their countries after Modi's role in either encouraging or ignoring some race riots (I can't remember). He rose up through the political ranks, becoming a lot more moderate along the way (I think, Indian politics isn't really my thing). The EU and the UK both saw the writing on the wall and removed their bans, but the US kept there's up until he won national elections and became PM. Then they tried to cancel the ban as quietly as possible and invited Modi for a visit
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Because other people are not running for the presidency of the world's most powerful nation!
See my Modi example above. Keeping the wheels of diplomacy well greased will take precedence over other things like protesting or limiting hate speech.
The US quite rightly banned Modi, because Modi traded in some really hateful bigotry and played some kind of role in race riots that got people killed. He ended up Prime Minister of India, and they got rid of the ban. Because maintaining a decent relationship with the elected leader of the world's biggest democracy was much more important than making a stand against racial intolerance.
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reds8n wrote: So there's talk that Palin is going to endorse Trump today/soon then ?
.. Kiss of death for him there then or not ?
I kind of suspect it's more a case of her trying to regain prominence by attaching herself to Trump, rather than any kind of effort to actually increase his chance of winning the primary.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2016/01/20 02:11:51
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
@Easy E, I literally spent more time looking for the name of the guy whose name has been censored by Dakka than it took to read that entire Wiki page. I read right past it twice before realizing 'duh' XD
reds8n wrote: So there's talk that Palin is going to endorse Trump today/soon then ?
.. Kiss of death for him there then or not ?
It's an endorsement, so no. Now if he were to nominate her as his running mate then that would be a different story.
I'd meant more that she doesn't exactly pick the winning side too often, but point taken.
.. Although I recall Trump saying something about her maybe being involved in some position .. department of energy or something ?
-- mind you he said he will, apparently, make Apple make all their products in the USA, which is a bold step for a small govt. free market reigns kinda guy.
So lots of GOP types have said this is either irrelevant or shows something about Palin.
same day -- of course -- her son "Track" -- ?? -- was arrested on a domestic violence charge.
One appreciates you cannot choose one's family, and there's no shortage of awkward/awful people related to politicians, but might have been an idea to maybe do this on a different day.
But it's no doubt the work of the evil liberal media.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/01/20 11:11:11
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
But it's no doubt the work of the evil liberal media.
She's already started blaming the media for furor over Trump's comments regarding McCain's service record, while also referring to herself as as a member of the group "non-politicians":
Palin wrote:"We're watching career politicians throw away our kids' future through bankrupting public budgets and ripping open our porous borders which, obvious to all us non-politicians, puts us at great risk."
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2016/01/20 21:09:28
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Uh oh, Obama is talking about Flint in MI. A rather smart party based PR move I think.
Synder I think single handedly has lost MI for the Republicans before anything has even started. Democrats should be able to mobilize enough voters based in the bitterness of Flint, which has Dems and Repubs, and Detroit to ruin any chance for a Republican candidate.
Not even because any Republican candidate is to blame for Synder's strong desire to make terrible decisions. Just they will be able to point in his direction and paint everyone the same.
Then again....Michigan hasn't voted Republican sense 1988. So probably wasn't going to happen anyways.