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 whembly wrote:
But, switch gears here... Trump finally released *his* healthcare plan:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

And I'm sure you'll all be shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that I think Trump's healthcare plan is extraordinarily stupid.

It’s got all the same old Republican darlings that just plain don’t worked in reality, like cross state plans and government tax breaks. And then there’s the grand daddy stupid of them all, like all the other Republican candidates, he wants to get rid of the individual mandate. Republicans, including Trump, have gone from calling for the inevitable death of ACA through a death spiral, to wanting to pull out the key element that stops that death spiral, without ever thinking through what they’re doing.

The lack of thought put in to this plan, like all Republican plans, is fething terrifying.

 sebster wrote:

The lack of thought put in to this plan, like all Republican plans, is fething terrifying.

But hey, it's not Obamacare, so that's a plus, right? Or at least, I know that's the usual Republican "logic"

 CptJake wrote:
The States should darned well be able to understand their own populations and cater to them better than the Federal One Size Fits All answer. State governments should also be a lot more accountable to the citizens of the State than the Fed gov't is. If one governor is screwing it up, recall or send him/her packing in the next election.

I don’t mind the idea of pushing more control over Medicaid to the states. But as a solution to insuring healthcare coverage for low income families, its nonsense. And while there might be potential savings in state administered programs, in either lower overheads or more efficient allocations, we’re talking maybe 10 or 20% if results are excellent. In contrast, ACA gives subsidies to tens of millions of families. Medicaid expansion simply cannot replace the ACA model that makes insurance affordable for low incomes.

Unless Trump was secretly planning on more than doubling the Medicaid budget, of course.


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 djones520 wrote:
What I'm getting from Trumps plan is that he is rewarding participation (tax credit for getting insurance) instead of punishing those who don't participate as the ACA does.

So instead of money coming in to govt, money goes out. Whatever happened to all those budget concerns that Republicans used to be so concerned about? We're not talking about distant history here, we're talking about the central element of the Republican platform in the last election. And now it's just gone, don't talk about it anyone. We're back to spending now.


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 Breotan wrote:
The Clintons are masters at letting the fires of scandal rage only for no actual crime to ever be linked directly to them. You'll recall back when Bill Clinton was President, Hillary had to sit for a deposition about her involvement with the Rose law firm and Whitewater.

Oh yes, the great and terrible plot of the Clintons to... lose money in a property investment deal. However did they manage to avoid criminal charges over... losing money in a property investment deal.

♡ my home town crowd. Can't believe the crowd is booing and heckling Trump lol.

Rubio is burning Trunp up. O.o

 LordofHats wrote:
Personally, I'm more horrified by the possibility that religion has never been what won the south, but racism with a non-racist veneer and the force is simply stronger on that front with Trump than it has been any GOP candidate in ages.

Trump's successful variation has been to remove the veneer.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
But hey, it's not Obamacare, so that's a plus, right? Or at least, I know that's the usual Republican "logic"

Yep, that's pretty much it.

Step 1 - remove Obamacare.
Step 2 - no you shut up.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
♡ my home town crowd. Can't believe the crowd is booing and heckling Trump lol.

Rubio is burning Trunp up. O.o

This debate so far:
Cruz: Great
Rubio: Solid, but raspy
Trump: Full of gak
Kasich: Wahhhhh

I'm getting more of a kick out of watching the crowd when the moderators are on. "Look ma! I'm on the Fox News show!"

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm getting more of a kick out of watching the crowd when the moderators are on. "Look ma! I'm on the Fox News show!"

That's distracting...

Did Trump seriously just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. Did I hear that right??!

 whembly wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
♡ my home town crowd. Can't believe the crowd is booing and heckling Trump lol.

Rubio is burning Trunp up. O.o

This debate so far:
Cruz: Great
Rubio: Solid, but raspy
Trump: Full of gak
Kasich: Wahhhhh

Kasich keeps giving the look of despair that sums up pretty much the zoo debates have become. I do enjoy he keeps showing his experience over the others.

I got to say grilling Trump on specifics IS his actual weakness. Man he flails when you call for coherent concepts.

Cruz: is surprisingly strong tonight

Rubio: is definitely doing Cruz's dirty work. I wonder if this is something they planned together because it looks like actual team work.

Trump: is bombing hard. For the first time I can say he is not looking strong, he is waffling and has made himself look like a goon (did you see him try to intimidate Cruz, with Cruz completely unfazed?).

Kasich: I feel bad, the guy is probably the best candidate but he can't break through.

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm getting more of a kick out of watching the crowd when the moderators are on. "Look ma! I'm on the Fox News show!"

That's distracting...

Did Trump seriously just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. Did I hear that right??!

That's what you and everybody with a brain heard. What Trump supporters heard was "I have big...hands"

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm getting more of a kick out of watching the crowd when the moderators are on. "Look ma! I'm on the Fox News show!"

That's distracting...

Did Trump seriously just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. Did I hear that right??!

....yes

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm getting more of a kick out of watching the crowd when the moderators are on. "Look ma! I'm on the Fox News show!"

That's distracting...

Did Trump seriously just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. Did I hear that right??!

That's what you and everybody with a brain heard. What Trump supporters heard was "I have big...hands"

You're not wrong. It's like:

Trump: Wall...
Trumpikins: SEE ME DADDY, PLZ NOTICE ME!!!
Trump: Planned Parenthood is great!
Trumpkins: huh?
Trump: Wall...
Trumpkins: WE LOVE YOU DADDY!!!


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 BrotherGecko wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I'm getting more of a kick out of watching the crowd when the moderators are on. "Look ma! I'm on the Fox News show!"

That's distracting...

Did Trump seriously just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. Did I hear that right??!

....yes

Seriously.... fething off the rails.


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Trump: Trump U got A ratings.
Rubio: That’s false.
Trump: You’re a liar. And Insults and stuff.
Kelly: We looked it up. It was a D-

Flat out lying.


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Trump is in full-blown panic mode now.

Yah he is crumbling...wow!

Please...please...mighty grilled cheesus...let this be the moment that "the peeple" turn against Drumpf.

O man...

Ted Cruz: “Learn not to interrupt, Donald. Count to ten, Donald. Count to ten."

Buuuuurrn.

As the kids today say.....savage as don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n

lol

Heh... it's like:

Trump: no man can defeat me

Megyn: I AM NO MAN

Has the anticipated implosion begun?

CNN Headline = Trump defends size of his penis.

Wtf?

What a circus. This is how they behave when they know people are watching?

Cruz/Rubio has had a good night tonight. So has Kasich, surprisingly. Trump's defecated all over himself & stage, but his fans will call it chocolate.

 sebster wrote:
And while there might be potential savings in state administered programs, in either lower overheads or more efficient allocations, we’re talking maybe 10 or 20% if results are excellent. In contrast, ACA gives subsidies to tens of millions of families. Medicaid expansion simply cannot replace the ACA model that makes insurance affordable for low income

You haven't considered the cost savings from eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse from Medicaid, which account for approximately 1400 dollars per every 3 cents spent on healthcare.

 whembly wrote:
Cruz/Rubio has had a good night tonight. So has Kasich, surprisingly. Trump's defecated all over himself & stage, but his fans will call it chocolate.

They think Trump is being picked on and the other candidates are refusing to answer questions unlike their hero.

At least that is what I'm hearing through my social media lol.

Cruz referred to "the Hellery decision," which is an awesome Freudian slip.

 whembly wrote:
O man...

Ted Cruz: “Learn not to interrupt, Donald. Count to ten, Donald. Count to ten."

Buuuuurrn.

Is that seriously a thing that was said? In a presidential debate? Because I'm pretty sure someone running for highschool class president would be told off for a juvenile approach if he used that line.

What the actual feth is happening to the Republican party?

 sebster wrote:

 whembly wrote:
O man...

Ted Cruz: “Learn not to interrupt, Donald. Count to ten, Donald. Count to ten."

Buuuuurrn.

Is that seriously a thing that was said? In a presidential debate? Because I'm pretty sure someone running for highschool class president would be told off for a juvenile approach if he used that line.

What the actual feth is happening to the Republican party?

That's Trump. Watch the debate man... it's golden!

 Ouze wrote:
You haven't considered the cost savings from eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse from Medicaid, which account for approximately 1400 dollars per every 3 cents spent on healthcare.

Oh yes, I forgot about all those non-partisan waste surveys that found fraud and waste accounted for 99.8% of all medicaid spending. I might have those numbers reversed, but looking them up would only mean the argument stops working, so let's go with it as it is. Onwards to state based medicaid as the answer to everything!


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 whembly wrote:
That's Trump. Watch the debate man... it's golden!

Wait, Cruz said 'count to ten' or Trump did?

Cruz did, several times

Rubio: You endorse Putin.
Trump: No I don't. But he likes me. We should get along.

O.o

Cruz did.

 motyak wrote:
Cruz did, several times

Sorry I wasn't clear seb...

Two times by my count...

one time he scolded Trump to "Breathe".

Trump is such a baby.