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Gee Dubz says 7'. So they're 7' tall.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Gee Dubz says 7'. So they're 7' tall.

We're collecting statements that are from official sources, and they do not always agree with one another.

They also do not always agree with the fandom (which is apparent here).

Oh, well, there goes me not reading gak again. Appologies.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Oh, well, there goes me not reading gak again. Appologies.

No need to apologize. But if you have any other references of where GW said that, please post them, and I'll add them to the list.

 Ashiraya wrote:
They would have to be veeeeeery deep underground to resist melta warheads, though.

Ugh... remind me again why the Imperium even bothers with space marines?

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
They would have to be veeeeeery deep underground to resist melta warheads, though.

Ugh... remind me again why the Imperium even bothers with space marines?

Because Ashi-sis and I need something to argue about.

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
They would have to be veeeeeery deep underground to resist melta warheads, though.

Ugh... remind me again why the Imperium even bothers with space marines?

Tradition mostly. It is by the Emperor's will that his most proud sons were created and continue to exist. To dismantle the most holy institution of the Adpetus Astartes would be undoing the Emperor's most holy works. Such is Heresy in the extreme.

Btw why exactly are superhumongously large marines considered "more heroic" then 7' marines?
Isnt it more heroic if a 7' marine wins against big orks or against gazillions of foot soldies, compared a superhumongiant marine where everything looks like a baby in comparison to him? Is it more heroic to club enemies that are children sized in relation, as opposed to fighting opponents of their own or even bigger size?

Plans? In the hands of the enemy?! Those heretical texts are better off destroyed!

And the prisoners... If they are not tainted by the foul enemy's presence (an enemy so foul as to warrant Astartes instead of, say, Scions), then they will have to make the ultimate sacrifice. The situations when it is someone truly important (Lord Generals and similar) are going to be exceedingly rare.

Yeah... at this point you are just making stuff up.

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
They would have to be veeeeeery deep underground to resist melta warheads, though.

Ugh... remind me again why the Imperium even bothers with space marines?

Rule of cool.

To beat enemies that are too lethal and scary for IG and Scions to handle, and are not hiding inside the tiniest tunnels they could possibly find.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah... at this point you are just making stuff up.

Not really. This is the Imperium we're talking about. Unless you're an Inquisitor, xenophobia is going to have a massive effect on your decisions.

It's also pretty rare to have so high rank prisoners to rescue that they are beyond sacrificing, and have them in a place too small to enter.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah... at this point you are just making stuff up.

Not really. This is the Imperium we're talking about. Unless you're an Inquisitor, xenophobia is going to have a massive effect on your decisions.

It's also pretty rare to have so high rank prisoners to rescue that they are beyond sacrificing, and have them in a place too small to enter.

And who says they have to be aliens? Could be heavly armed, armored, and entrenched humans. there is PA that is human sized you know.

Also, the prisoners would be in the bunker. And why sacrifce them when you could save them, with very little losses.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


And who says they have to be aliens? Could be heavly armed, armored, and entrenched humans. there is PA that is human sized you know.

Heavily armed, PA-equipped humans considered threatening enough to send in Space Marines?

Has that even happened since the Interex in the Great Crusade?

Also, the prisoners would be in the bunker. And why sacrifce them when you could save them, with very little losses.

Just send in the Scions? PA-equipped humans are perfect targets for their hotshots.

You need Astartes against Nobz, Tyranid Warriors, Crisis Battlesuits and similar. Note that they, too, are too big to fit into said bunker.

So... you agree that 9' marines would be limited in small spaces.

I have yet to find any case of Space Marines encountering spaces that small. Surely, if they are so common and problematic you could find examples?

It appears that those tiny claustrophobic corridors filled with high-value targets simply are not a realistic situation here.

You don't force cubes into round holes when you have cylinders (Scions) around.

They don't encounter them because, "Battle-brother Leviticus sighed and muttered 'throne-forsaken doors' as he saw the heritc round the bend of the corridor he couldn't fit down." makes a really boring story.

Or.

They don't encounter these problems because they aren't 9' tall! Who would have thought it!* Human sized building should (for the most part) be able to fit a 7' tall SM.


*Me

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
They don't encounter them because, "Battle-brother Leviticus sighed and muttered 'throne-forsaken doors' as he saw the heritc round the bend of the corridor he couldn't fit down." makes a really boring story.

Or.

They don't encounter these problems because they aren't 9' tall! Who would have thought it!* Human sized building should (for the most part) be able to fit a 7' tall SM.


*Me

No, I referred to encountering buildings that would not fit them at 9', even crouching.

I am not convinced that this is a plausible Space Marine operation zone. Orks need space to fit their Nobz. Eldar hate cramped spaces as it deprives them of their greatest advantage - mobility and evasion. CSM hate it for the same reason SM do. And so on.

Who would you find hiding in this incredibly cramped space? Rebel PDF? Do you really need Space Marines to deal with rebel PDF?

Is someone infiltrating your cramped underhive? Oh no! Send the Scions. Oh, the infiltrators were Lictors and tore apart the Scions? Well, Lictors are significantly larger than Marines, so in they go.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
They would have to be veeeeeery deep underground to resist melta warheads, though.

Ugh... remind me again why the Imperium even bothers with space marines?

Rule of cool.

What’s so cool about a super soldier, who failed to reach his target cause he couldn’t fit through a simple manhole? What you and I define as “Cool” is highly different.

 Ashiraya wrote:
To beat enemies that are too lethal and scary for IG and Scions to handle, and are not hiding inside the tiniest tunnels they could possibly find.

Enemies too lethal for the IG and Scions to handle? Did GW release a new 9th none-imperial army without my noticing it?

 Redcruisair wrote:
What’s so cool about a super soldier, who failed to reach his target cause he couldn’t fit through a simple manhole? What you and I define as “Cool” is highly different.

The setting as a whole runs on the rule of cool. It prevents Titans from breaking apart at the hip. It completely discards the problems of the Leman Russ' lack of suspension. It prevents situations of SM failing to get through doors.

Besides, I dunno about you, but I can bend/kneel/crouch down pretty far. The SM has armour, but he is also more agile than I am. If they absolutely have to squeeze themselves in, they can. It won't look pretty, but it won't make their bolts less likely to explode you. The entire issue seems overblown.

If we assume the bunker is 7'6" or so to its roof (which it needs to be if those 7'-7'6" Marines of yours are so unhindered by it as you say) then they barely need to kneel, and not even entirely, to fit in.

 Redcruisair wrote:

Enemies too lethal for the IG and Scions to handle? Did GW release a new 9th none-imperial army without my noticing it?

Consider this amendment then;

Enemies too lethal for IG and Scions to effectively handle.

Daemons who make less brainwashed, hypno-indoctrinated, psycho-conditioned warriors insane.

Eldar who run faster than a normal human's sword-arm can follow.

And so on.

Imperial structures are huge. Just look at the doors on your average Imperial terrain kit and compare it to a Guardsman. They must be like 10 feet tall.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Imperial structures are huge. Just look at the doors on your average Imperial terrain kit and compare it to a Guardsman. They must be like 10 feet tall.

GW also said that the tabletop is out of scale, specifically that the Guardsmen are too large.

Considering those structures are a cathedral and a factory, I don't think that counts . Yes, there are a lot of giant structures, but not all structures. Height would be the biggest issues. especially since cutting the height of a building is an easy way to cut costs.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Considering those structures are a cathedral and a factory, I don't think that counts . Yes, there are a lot of giant structures, but not all structures. Height would be the biggest issues. especially since cutting the height of a building is an easy way to cut costs.

Not only that, actually.

It's also a 'Basilica Administratum' and a 'Sanctum Imperialis'.

You know what those are right? A fancy bureaucratic building, and what amounts to another cathedral. I doubt the entire imperium is rich enough to all live in buildings of that proportion (or, if they are, the imperium is lot better of then I thought ).

Well, their bunkers have similarly massive doors too so... that tells me that the Imperium has some seriously huge doors and corridors. At least for it's state made structures, anyway.

Actual stuff made by the main imperium, I'd say yes. Municipal stuff,or xenos stuff, not necessarily.

Everything is oversized in the Imperium outside of underhives. We see this everywhere. It's part of its sci-fi-gothic design.

Besides, I dunno about you, but I can bend/kneel/crouch down pretty far. The SM has armour, but he is also more agile than I am. If they absolutely have to squeeze themselves in, they can. It won't look pretty, but it won't make their bolts less likely to explode you. The entire issue seems overblown.

Agility doesnt give you the ability to fit through openings that are smaller then you! It's obvious you have never worn body armor with equipment i ncluding a backpack... You cant reduce your heigth and shoulder width at the same time.
And even if you can, you can't fight in such a stance. If one guy dies in that stance he blocks the way for all others.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Is someone infiltrating your cramped underhive? Oh no! Send the Scions. Oh, the infiltrators were Lictors and tore apart the Scions? Well, Lictors are significantly larger than Marines, so in they go.

Except lictors, genestealers and termagants, raveners, etc are alot more flexible then marines. You know, something that is dangerous does not always have to be something that is enormous or breathing...Is sizethe only thing you connect with dangerous? If that's a case id say you have a distinct lack of imagination or knowledge of 40k

I have yet to find any case of Space Marines encountering spaces that small. Surely, if they are so common and problematic you could find examples?

Because they are not 9' tall in the first place, for exactly this reason - as stated in overwhelmingly many sources with yet one explicit source to name 9'.

 Keep wrote:
Agility doesnt give you the ability to fit through openings that are smaller then you!

Luckily Space Marines won't have to fight in your made-up environments because, well, you've made them up.

Otherwise I agree there would be a problem.

Actually, XV15 and XV25 stealth suits are not much bigger than normal tau. And they are pretty damn strong, with armour as good as PA, but lighter. Not as tough though, they are still just normal tau underneath.