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Now I know there was, in 6th an FAQ stating that you could not shoot passengers embarked on an open topped vehicle. I cannot find this mentioned anywhere in 7th.
If you cannot shoot passengers embarked on an open topped transport, this raises the possibility once more of a useful lucius drop pod.
Since the dread doesn't have to dosembark on the first turn, then it is still embarked on an open topped transport, requiring you to destroy the pod before you target the dread. Against any blast attacks it would also still get the shrouded cover save against due to the lucius' benefits. Obviously this goes against true LoS, so would require the proviso that you cannot target passengers in an open topped vehicle (which I can't find - have the small rulebook for any page references), if that proviso does not exist though, what is stopping us shooting at orks in a trukk for example?
Am I wide off the mark here? The rules state the dread is clearly still embarked.

Im not entirely sure what your question is, but yea the dread can stay embarked, shoot out and not be shot back at (with the exception of templates).

The shrouded bit is weird as it relies upon counting the doors as a sort of terrain that people can stand on to get shrouded, which is a bit weird conceptually.

Is there's some nasty template weapon, it could shoot the dread... that's about it

Yeh so it cannot be targeted until either a) it disembarks or b) the pod is destroyed?
Because I have seen 2 threads recently where it has been said the lucius is useless as the dread will still be targeted. It confused me so I went to look up the rules to show they were incorrect... but I cannot find the 'not shoot at embarked passengers' rule anywhere in the rulebook! I know in 6th it was in the faq, but surely GW have correted this oversight in the 7th ed rulebook?

I.. no. You dont put the model on the table until it is disembarked. There is no line of sight, so it cannot be targeted.

Just because you CAN fit the model in the pod, doesn't mean its actually there for rules purposes.

I'd think it'd be more like they need to find permission to target a passenger.

Open Topped makes no difference. You have no permission to select an embarked model as a target. Strictly speaking, nothing says you have to put the Dread physically inside the Lucius Pattern Drop Pod. What the rules actually tell you to do is set the embarked unit (the Dread) aside and make a note of which Transport it is embarked upon. Kind of hard to draw line of sight to a model that isn't actually on the table.

The fact that you can physically put the Dread inside the Lucius Pattern is more of a "hey, isn't that neat" sort of thing than anything impacting the rules.

Ahhh that would make sense. Not very cinematic mind if you know you're playing against a rules lawyer, as I imagine TFG would say (if you do place it) that it could be seen so can be shot at as there are no rules preventing you from shooting at it (apart from the fact it's not actually 'deployed' yet). Surprised it's not in the rulebook.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Ahhh that would make sense. Not very cinematic mind if you know you're playing against a rules lawyer, as I imagine TFG would say (if you do place it) that it could be seen so can be shot at as there are no rules preventing you from shooting at it (apart from the fact it's not actually 'deployed' yet). Surprised it's not in the rulebook.

Yeah, but the Dread isn't on the table. If anyone pulls that, tell him you can shoot at his models in reserves because your models can see them sitting in his case off to the side. (Joking! Don't do this)

Haha basilisk range finally makes sense!

yup, the only thing that can hit your dread is a template weapon which means he is pretty safe. on the other hand, i had a trukk boyz squad get flamered by sisters once......the only upside is the trukk blew up and killed half the sisters as well :-)

 Lobukia wrote:
I'd think it'd be more like they need to find permission to target a passenger.

Exactly correct 40k is a permissive based game if you cannon fine permission to do an action then you cannot perform the action.

I believe what he is looking for is the "No Escape" portion of template rules. With rule all you'd need is a weapon with high enough S to glance/pen the dread.

As far as what I have read that is the only way to fire at a unit that is embarked in building or Open-Topped Vehicle.

Wait does No escape even state what facing is hit?

 Desubot wrote:
Wait does No escape even state what facing is hit?

“No Escape: If a Template weapon hits a building’s Fire Point or an Open-topped vehicle and there is a unit embarked inside that building or vehicle, then in addition to any other effects that unit suffers D6 hits, resolved at the Strength and AP of the weapon. These hits are Randomly Allocated. ”

So what is the shrouded part of the pod? Is the pod it'self shrouded?

Things which are shrouded: The drop pod, the dreadnought if it disembarks and stays on the doors and any unit that is shot at by line of sight that passes through or over the pod.
The turn it comes down only.

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Which does make the lucius really good at providing a deployable cover screen.

 CronikCRS wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Wait does No escape even state what facing is hit?

“No Escape: If a Template weapon hits a building’s Fire Point or an Open-topped vehicle and there is a unit embarked inside that building or vehicle, then in addition to any other effects that unit suffers D6 hits, resolved at the Strength and AP of the weapon. These hits are Randomly Allocated. ”

So what facing does it hit?

No way of knowing, so i would randomise.

Since the rule says that the hits are randomly allocated, I would also randomise it.

when the Drop pod comes down you should state which way the dread inside is facing that way you don't have to worry about it later on.