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 DarthOvious wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
The Stormfang's big gun has it's barrel at the end of the hull, so nothing is in the way.

The Stormwolf has 2 lascannons way back on the hull. Again, the firing arc isn't difficult to figure out, it's just anti-air only, basically.

The Hellfrost Cannon?

Do you not think the hull gets in the way of firing it forward with it's blast profile?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Stormwolf-Assault-Craft

... No? Why would it? The guns are above the hull.

Oh, you want to fire down? Yeah, the hull gets in the way. How does that make the arc difficult to determine?

rigeld2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
The Stormfang's big gun has it's barrel at the end of the hull, so nothing is in the way.

The Stormwolf has 2 lascannons way back on the hull. Again, the firing arc isn't difficult to figure out, it's just anti-air only, basically.

The Hellfrost Cannon?

Do you not think the hull gets in the way of firing it forward with it's blast profile?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Stormwolf-Assault-Craft

... No? Why would it? The guns are above the hull.

Oh, you want to fire down? Yeah, the hull gets in the way. How does that make the arc difficult to determine?

I don't think he meant it was difficult to determine, just that it's a pain in the backside. Basically the whole flyer has a problem shooting at things on the ground not far in front of it because not only does the Hellfrost Cannon have difficulty looking down, the Lascannons also can't fire either in such a circumstance.

 DarthOvious wrote:
I don't think he meant it was difficult to determine, just that it's a pain in the backside. Basically the whole flyer has a problem shooting at things on the ground not far in front of it because not only does the Hellfrost Cannon have difficulty looking down, the Lascannons also can't fire either in such a circumstance.

It's not a pain in the backside. His statement was:

You want to talk about firing arcs? Just try to figure out the arcs for the Space Wolves' Stormfang or Stormwolf ships.

They're trivial to figure out. The fact that people don't like being limited is an entirely different discussion.

rigeld2 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
I don't think he meant it was difficult to determine, just that it's a pain in the backside. Basically the whole flyer has a problem shooting at things on the ground not far in front of it because not only does the Hellfrost Cannon have difficulty looking down, the Lascannons also can't fire either in such a circumstance.

It's not a pain in the backside. His statement was:

You want to talk about firing arcs? Just try to figure out the arcs for the Space Wolves' Stormfang or Stormwolf ships.

I am interpretating the term figure out here to mean "Why in the heck are they like that?" Rather than working out the actual firing arc from the rules.

They're trivial to figure out. The fact that people don't like being limited is an entirely different discussion.

It did come up in this thread as well due to the discussion on house ruling firing arcs.

rigeld2 wrote:
Or... fold a piece of paper in half at the corner - bam, 45 degree angle.

That is the best way to do firing arcs.

The amount of time someone has asked me, "how do i know 90* Firing arcs?", or "where is your Front Facing?"
And you just hold up a Codex in front of the model, corner touching the gun or over the mid-point....

Books have 90 degrees corners, because they are rectangular lol