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My current list does not have Dante, Priests, Sanguinary guard, scouts, assault squads, or Stormravens. Interesting.

I think the my earlier quote of 135 was for the gunslinger sarge. The 115 pt squad is superior, but I"m still not sure if I can justify it.

This is my current list.

Dante

Priest with valour's edge, angel's wings, pistol

5x sanguinary guard with fist, banner, inferno pistol

10x death co with jump packs and 2x fists

10x death co with jump packs and 2x fists

Frag Dread in a pod

5x scouts with ccw and combi melta

5x scouts with ccw and combi melta

Stormraven with melta, assault cannon and hurricanes

Stormraven with melta, lascannon and hurricanes

Martel732 wrote:
My current list does not have Dante, Priests, Sanguinary guard, scouts, assault squads, or Stormravens. Interesting.

I think the my earlier quote of 135 was for the gunslinger sarge. The 115 pt squad is superior, but I"m still not sure if I can justify it.

I'd be really curious to see that list, Martel

 Mulletdude wrote:

 Voidwraith wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Its very, VERY strong. Frag dreads with heavy flamers in pod rock in at 165 points, which is fantastically cheap. Our sternguard are 10 points cheaper than the vanilla equivalents as well. But the real kicker is in fast attack.

A 5 man assault marine squad with 2 melta guns and a combi melta is 115 points, which is criminally inexpensive.

Pretty sure you can gunsling 2 inferno pistols for 4 melta shots per assault squad as well, if you're feeling froggy.

Just looking at Death Company, Drop podded melta assault squads, and tank hunting Stormravens, there's a lot to like about the BA codex.

How are you managing the tank hunting on a storm raven?

Tank Hunting Stormraven being one armed with TL Lascannon and TL Multi-melta.

It's my bad for ignoring the fact that there is a USR called Tank Hunters. I'll try to toss that Stormraven loadout label out the window...

Well, you could give it legacy of mars so it'd actually have tank hunter...
Wouldn't be too terrible on an assault cannon Raven

 Walnuts wrote:
Well, you could give it legacy of mars so it'd actually have tank hunter...
Wouldn't be too terrible on an assault cannon Raven

This... is actually an insanely good idea.

Hah, yeah, it's a little redic from a fluff perspective since there's no way a storm raven could have been around during any of the legacy battles, BUT, if I didn't have a mars legacy sicaran on autoinclude in all my lists I would totally run a mars storm raven with a typhoon missile launcher and assault cannon.

So what do you guys like to put in a stormraven?
Ive been considering assault termies and mephy personally, but ive heard all sorts, from ccw scouts to a full kitted out squad and dread.

Here Are Some Easy Steps:

1. Dante is awesome, take him
2. Dante performs best when he is attached to sanguinary guards
3. Attach a priest to Dante and the sang guard, he makes Dante even more survivable and gives the guard something to fall back on. WS7 Dante and WS5 Guard are also awesome. Give the priest a bolt pistol, the angel's wing and valour's edge.
3. Fast Tri-Las Preads are your friend, as are Stormravens. A Baal Pread will do if you want dakka and a Sicaran is even better for dakka or anti-vehicle firepower
4. Melta Assault squads are an excellent fast attack choice
5. Furioso dreadnoughts are excellent, they are best in drop pods, but stormravens are fine
6. Fill up your second HQ slot with a librarian, mephiston is an excellent combination with Dante, but a ML2 Termie Librarian with a Storm Shield will do and is more survivable
7. The Baal Strike Force is better than the CAD, everyone gets +1 initiative and your transports still get obsec
8. Take a minimum of 2 tac squads and run them either 5 man in las/plas razorbacks (if you can afford the points) with plasma, or 10 man in drop pods with a combi-flamer/flamer/heavy flamer deal
9. Death Company are great, either take 2 8-man units of them with jump packs and at least 1 thunder hammer or forget them and take some TH/SS Termies to back up the Libby. If you want to buff DC, replace the libby with Astorath.

With the Dante/Guard/Priest combo these are the stats for Dante on the charge with his axe:
WS7, BS5, S7, T4, I8, W4, At6, Ld10, Sv: 2+ 4++

For even more cheese, give your libby a jump pack and stick him with Dante. It's risky, because that's a very expensive unit. However, if you roll on sanguinary discipline, you can give Dante +D3A & +D3I (I don't recommend this for a competitive list)

Martel732 wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
I havent even been running that unit in a pod and i still love it. 5 dudes with 3 meltas that come in on a rerollable 3+ reserve and only scatter d6 is super awesome for 115 points, and if they live then its just gravy. Jump around the table, slag tanks and beat up weak or injured units.

If your opponent is using bubblewrap, what good does this unit do?The range on melta sucks.

I hear a lot about this bubble wrapping. Does this happen in your meta a lot? If so then scare the daylights out of them with triple Vindicators. If they are bubble wrapping then you'll get their tanks and bubble wrap with the same shot. If they then use the fact that you have Vindicators to not bubble wrap round their vehicles instead then you have a clear pathway to strike their vehicles with your melta squads and you can use the Vindicator on something else instead.


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InsTincT_OP wrote:
So what do you guys like to put in a stormraven?
Ive been considering assault termies and mephy personally, but ive heard all sorts, from ccw scouts to a full kitted out squad and dread.

I wonder how well Assault Termies with Lightning Claws do now. With S5 and I5 on the charge with shred on those bad boys I'm wondering how effective they are.

Natpri771, thats practically my list haha.
So guys, how much sucess have you had in your games so far?

I don't own triple vindicators, and even if I did, I don't think it's a very good solution, as there is no way to make it ignore cover. That is a lot of effort just to make drop melta suicide guys work. The bubblewrap also doesn't work against lascannons and MM. The nice thing about bubblewrap is that it's a set up-time decision.

Martel732 wrote:
I don't own triple vindicators, and even if I did, I don't think it's a very good solution, as there is no way to make it ignore cover. That is a lot of effort just to make drop melta suicide guys work. The bubblewrap also doesn't work against lascannons and MM. The nice thing about bubblewrap is that it's a set up-time decision.

Are they using the bubblewrap to claim a cover save against any incoming shots? From what I remember vehicles need to be at least 25% covered from LoS in order to gain a cover save, so he better have a lot of troops in front of it for that.

Tell me what the typical bubblewrap that you face against is. I would like to know. Most armies usually only get 10 men squads, perhaps 20 men squads in order to wrap a tank with. And if they using multiple squads of theirs to bubblewrap a single tank with then they are in trouble if they come up against any massive blasts or apocalyptic blasts from any superheavies.

I run a list similar to what I suggested and it's actually doing pretty well. I killed Abaddon in a challenge (with some help from a Libby)
I find Dante is pretty much in auto include in <1500pts lists. So what I like to do for competitive lists in start with a Baal Strike Force detachment and Dante, then build up from there. I think the main mistakes people make when building BA lists are trying to make heavy mech lists and making their list too anti-vehicle focused. Blood Angels are not a heavy mech army, they are a fast moving assault force. If you want to do heavy mech lists with a marine army, then play Iron Hands.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyj-fJXd9A
This is an example of what I'm talking about (I know it's with the old codex, but it still applied then). It would make a hell of a lot of a difference for him to get assault canons on his stormravens and to kit out his troops better. I could think of many better ways to spend the massive point drain that is the land raider. His list is too anti-vehicle focused and he tries to make a heavy mech list. If you look at some of his batreps, there is not a lot of victories.

What about the typhon super heavy, martel?

If that thing drops a 7" S10 AP1 blast that ignores cover, has AV14 all around, 6HP for 350pts, seems like it would be a pretty good choice to take care of vehicles and mobs of infantry at the same time, and if you're not using Dante, the fact that it's a lord of war isn't much of a liability.

InsTincT_OP wrote:
So what do you guys like to put in a stormraven?
Ive been considering assault termies and mephy personally, but ive heard all sorts, from ccw scouts to a full kitted out squad and dread.

I think if taking an assault vehicle Corbulo is a solid choice to ride in it as he lacks access to jp/bike.

Send him with either TH/SS termies and maybe a power armour librarian for quickening buffs, or even Vanguard Vets if you want a bigger squad.

When using a Stormraven a s a transport you're handicapping yourself jn some ways as you've turned the focus from gunboat to transport, which I would then keep cheap (no sponsons), consider laz/MM loadout, and don't be afirad to jink the turn you arrive as it doesn't affect disembarking and you'll want to deliver your goods. Also consider flat outing once you've dropped off so you can hide before you start zooming again.

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 DarthOvious wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I don't own triple vindicators, and even if I did, I don't think it's a very good solution, as there is no way to make it ignore cover. That is a lot of effort just to make drop melta suicide guys work. The bubblewrap also doesn't work against lascannons and MM. The nice thing about bubblewrap is that it's a set up-time decision.

Are they using the bubblewrap to claim a cover save against any incoming shots? From what I remember vehicles need to be at least 25% covered from LoS in order to gain a cover save, so he better have a lot of troops in front of it for that.

Tell me what the typical bubblewrap that you face against is. I would like to know. Most armies usually only get 10 men squads, perhaps 20 men squads in order to wrap a tank with. And if they using multiple squads of theirs to bubblewrap a single tank with then they are in trouble if they come up against any massive blasts or apocalyptic blasts from any superheavies.

They are just using it to control where drop pods land. Once the pods are down, they stop wrapping.

There is no "typical" bubblewrap. It depends on the board and your list and what you want to expose to drop podded squads and what you don't. For example, I myself use rhino and razor hulls to make is so melta can't drop my predator.


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 Walnuts wrote:
What about the typhon super heavy, martel?

If that thing drops a 7" S10 AP1 blast that ignores cover, has AV14 all around, 6HP for 350pts, seems like it would be a pretty good choice to take care of vehicles and mobs of infantry at the same time, and if you're not using Dante, the fact that it's a lord of war isn't much of a liability.

Bubblewrap is not the only reason I'm skeptical of BA as a drop list. Enemy assault elements are another major concern.


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 Walnuts wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
My current list does not have Dante, Priests, Sanguinary guard, scouts, assault squads, or Stormravens. Interesting.

I think the my earlier quote of 135 was for the gunslinger sarge. The 115 pt squad is superior, but I"m still not sure if I can justify it.

I'd be really curious to see that list, Martel

1850 pts

Mephiston
Level 2 libby w/jump pack

Tac squad plasma combiplasma, las.plas razor
Tac squad plasma combiplasma, las.plas razor

10 x DC, jump packs, 2X powerfist, level 2 libby joins and manifests sangunius

9 X sternguard, rhino, Mephiston joins this squad

3 X MM attack bikes

5 X bikers, combi-grav, 2 X grav

Fast tri-las pred

Fragnought, meltagun, drop pod, deathwind launcher

InsTincT_OP wrote:
So what do you guys like to put in a stormraven?
Ive been considering assault termies and mephy personally, but ive heard all sorts, from ccw scouts to a full kitted out squad and dread.

I ran a storm raven with a sanguine wing the last game I played, so it had to be loaded with ten sternguard with free combi-meltas. I also stuck Mephiston and an Order Malleus Inquisitor with a demon and empyrian brain mines, which is a model that I personally think is a bargain for 50pts. If meph casts force, the inquisitor benefits from it as well, and empyrian brain mines have a 33% chance per turn of disabling a Knight, and a 66% chance of disabling Necrons (which is what I was fighting).

I also had the storm raven carrying Cassor the Damned, which is a model that's sort of looked down upon as being way worse than a furioso due to being more expensive but only armor 12, and I get it, but he's also a character, so can issue challenges and is thus way less vulnerable to power fists, and he's a troop choice. Also against necrons / eldar / dark eldar, armor 13 vs armor 12 is only a slight buff.

I ran meph with divination, hoping he'd get perfect timing, but knowing he'd at least end up with that power that lets his squad re-roll missed to hits, which you can see how potent that'd be on the sternguard.

It might sound risky loading up a storm raven with that much nonsense, but in my meta there is a 0% chance of me fighting anything with interceptor, so I can sort of act with impunity. Also most interceptor weapons are super weak, so I'd like to see one shoot down a jinking storm raven.

Anyway, Cassor killed a squad of warriors and survived, the storm raven killed a monolith and a few warriors and was shot down last turn of the game, the mephstar killed two squads of warriors, a squad of praetorians, and his lord, and survived.

That was the first game I ever played with a storm raven and I could not have been more pleased with it.


If I played in a meta where I thought I had a high chance of it getting shot down, then I'd probably load it with 5 melee scouts, because that's 15 S5 attacks on the charge, against a vehicle 10 will hit, and 3 will damage, so your wimpy 55 pt scout squad could charge a wave serpent and kill it, which I LOVE.

But you still have to hover the Raven, in which case it's dead.

Martel732 wrote:

1850 pts

Mephiston
Level 2 libby w/jump pack

Tac squad plasma combiplasma, las.plas razor
Tac squad plasma combiplasma, las.plas razor

10 x DC, jump packs, 2X powerfist, level 2 libby joins and manifests sangunius

9 X sternguard, rhino, Mephiston joins this squad

3 X MM attack bikes

5 X bikers, combi-grav, 2 X grav

Fast tri-las pred

Fragnought, meltagun, drop pod, deathwind launcher

Thanks Martel, I love that list and already own most of the elements to it, will be very strongly considering this for future lists!

I'm counting on not having to defend against air attacks.

Mephy gets biomancy or divination depending upon opponent.

I'm still refining my Dante/dual Stormraven list. I really hate reserves, so I'm having trouble getting to look the way I want.

Martel732 wrote:
But you still have to hover the Raven, in which case it's dead.

Not necessarily. I had a game where my 3 Stromravens survived. Plus you could elect to use the skies of fury rule if you don't want to hover but drop a squad of for shooting purposes.

 DarthOvious wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
But you still have to hover the Raven, in which case it's dead.

Not necessarily. I had a game where my 3 Stromravens survived. Plus you could elect to use the skies of fury rule if you don't want to hover but drop a squad of for shooting purposes.

That's true, but the five scout scheme requires a hover. Sometimes doable, sometimes not.

Martel732 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
But you still have to hover the Raven, in which case it's dead.

Not necessarily. I had a game where my 3 Stromravens survived. Plus you could elect to use the skies of fury rule if you don't want to hover but drop a squad of for shooting purposes.

That's true, but the five scout scheme requires a hover. Sometimes doable, sometimes not.

It requires one turn of hover, and that's after at least one turn of zooming + shooting to full effect.

If you zoom in, shoot four weapons at something big, drop to hover, shoot 3 more weapons at something big, dump the scouts, have them blow up something big, and then jink, shoot, you've done some serious work at that point, you can get shot down
and if you don't, go back to zooming the following turn.

Interesting list, Martel.

Im kind of tickled that the actual BA tactics thread is dead and this one is doing well. I also feel like we've made more progress on this thread, lol.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Interesting list, Martel.

Im kind of tickled that the actual BA tactics thread is dead and this one is doing well. I also feel like we've made more progress on this thread, lol.

I started with Mephy and naked Sternguard because I like that unit a lot and went from there. Obviously, this list has weaknesses, but it's really hard to build out of the BA codex and not have weaknesses.

Part of the philosophy is to be able to hit at range and delay melee contact if I need to. Being fast is cool like that. I can also drive everything super fast right at a list like Tau.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Interesting list, Martel.

Im kind of tickled that the actual BA tactics thread is dead and this one is doing well. I also feel like we've made more progress on this thread, lol.

Haah, I was thinking the same thing

Honestly i think BA is one of the few armies that can actually make an assault list work, just because we have a few really hyper efficient and powerful CC units. We just have to focus on those units.

Take my list, for example. 20 death company is just too hard for a lot of armies to deal with before enough of them reach enemy lines. The sanguinary guard are almost impervious to small arms fire, and with dante they have someone who can actually tank wounds. The fragnought is the perfect distraction carnifex, and the ravens provide ranged anti tank firepower. Even the scouts pose a threat if not dealt with, and have extremely versatile deployment options.

What this equates to is a list that gives the opponent too much stuff to shoot at. If they choose the death co or guard ( and you have made adequate use of cover) then the scouts start popping tanks or assaulting weak units, and the fragnought vaporises a unit a turn. If you deal with the more immediate threats, suddenly your army is getting torn to shreds by a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics. All the whole the 2 ravens (who now come in reliably on turn 2) buzz around cracking open problem targets and stripping hull points off of knights.

Not sure I'd count on two ravens to kill a significant amount of armor.

I don't really settle on lists as such. I usually rotate around a bit. At the moment I'm using the triple Stormraven formation with some drop pod units. Ideas for future includes a bike list with lots of bikes, captain on a bike with a shield and a priest on a bike. Lots of drop pods so I can do a drop pod list. Some more melta assault squads, even though I already have some so I can do lot of drop pods with lots of melta and I also want to sort out some Vanguard units all with power weapons so I can do the other formation.

My biggest surprise is that I have been playing Blood Angels since 3rd edition and I find myself in a position where I need to buy A LOT of Blood Angels stuff. It's crazy.