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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 00:40:34
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So.... You are painting along, and things are going sort of ok....
And then as you get to the fifth or sixth miniature, you notices that the first three have mistakes in their skin-tones, and a few belts or portions of their props (bits).
The mistakes are not hideous, but neither are they completely inobvious.
The question is:
What do you do about them?
Do you go back and correct them?
Or do you just leave them?
What if correcting them means re-painting most of the miniature?
MB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 00:42:16
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Depending on just how bad, i go back and fix it
because OCD.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 01:45:30
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
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I would probably press on. After I am completely done with the unit (or whatever) if I still feel like it looks hideous I'll go back and fix it. However, this comes from a guy where a completing a whole unit without getting side tracked is a real achievement!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 01:51:30
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Desubot wrote:Depending on just how bad, i go back and fix it
because OCD.
I think the OCD won out in my case as well.
This episodes also released a major flaw in my painting attempts.
I am trying to paint like I am still 20 - 30, when I could easily paint 20 - 30 miniatures in a sitting to a very high standard.
I need to slow my ass down, and work on just 1 - 4 miniatures at a time (basically, one "Element" or "Base" for DBA/HotT/Hoplon, or FoG).
I can then pay attention to doing the major portions of the miniatures RIGHT (re: correctly), and not be overwhelmed by the:
I have 3,000 unpainted miniatures (admittedly, 1,200 of them are a 6mm Sci-Fi Infantry Battalion) that need to be finished (all of them LotR figures from either GW, Mithril, or Thunderbolt Mountain - Mostly GW, but I do have 400 Orcs/Goblins and Wood Elves from Thunderbolt Mountain. They were my sworn last miniatures purchases until I get at least two LotR armies painted).
But.... Given today's discovery, I think 4 minis a day is completely do-able, and will be enough work to get me to bring my game up, yet not so much to overwhelm me.
But... I decided.... Go back and fix those mistakes, and then FINISH just the first four of the miniatures to the basic basing standard (have the base ready for paint, but wait until I have the entire unit ready to have their bases done) before moving on to others.
MB Automatically Appended Next Post: Coldhatred wrote:I would probably press on. After I am completely done with the unit (or whatever) if I still feel like it looks hideous I'll go back and fix it. However, this comes from a guy where a completing a whole unit without getting side tracked is a real achievement! 
CURSES!
Now you have given my OCD conflicting goals!!!
Fortunately.... I went back and fixed them already, but getting the unit finished by the end of February is a goal I have.
It is nine bases/elements (for FoG, or DBA/HotT/Hoplon - where minis are based 3 to 4 each on a 60mm or 80mm frontage - the "official" frontage for the games is 60mm, but that was adopted when miniatures were all actually 25mm tall, and not 30mm - 35mm. I have decided that I am going to push to have the standard changed to 80mm for 30mm miniatures, because no one really makes 25mm figures any more, and all of the WHFB/WAB players have their figures on 20mm square bases, which is an 80mm frontage for the proper number figures on an FoG, or DBA/HotT/Hoplon element standard).
I currently have one base finished, and the goal is to do one a day (one base, not one figure).
But I am going to have to be careful, because now I have conflicting OCD standards (fix a mistake/finish the unit)
MB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 02:33:33
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Lol yeah some times the noticing of things happen after an army is done, where by i dump it in a striping solution and start again.
Iv had to repainted my armies at least 3 times each :/
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 09:08:39
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Calculating Commissar
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If I can fix it without a re-do I'll do that. If I need to start again I'll probably not bother, which is why my Sly Marbo has proper crazy cross eyes. Life is too short and I paint too slow
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 09:16:52
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Krazed Killa Kan
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A great way to fix smaller shading mistakes is glazing.
Glaze back over the area with a glaze of the base, or neutral, color. This will help bring the shading back towards the mid level.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 10:31:08
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Personally, I'd leave it. When you have a couple of hundred Orcs on the table, multi-based as well, no one is really going to notice that the third guy from the left of the seventeenth unit hasn't got his bely buckle painted.
So I say, head down and carry on regardless. You can always go back later, but I wouldn't let it get in the way of making tangible progress.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 13:59:26
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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All good points.
For the miniatures in question, I just re-painted their skin/flesh, and this allowed me an excuse to put some more contrast into the armor and loincloths that were looking a bit flat.
Overall, though, the experience caused me to put the brakes on things and only work on a couple/few miniatures at a time.
This way I can do wet-to-dry blending, which produces the smoothest shading, and helps to eliminate chalky shading.
I also have put tags on the paints that tend to create a chalky appearance when drybrushing, so that I can remember to dilute them a bit with some retarder before doing any drybrush work with them.
I figure that four miniatures a day is a decent number.
That gives me roughly 120/month, meaning that I can get two armies done every three months.
For the Ral Partha miniatures, which are smaller (The 1979 Ral Partha Fantasy Collectors Lesser Goblins only stand about 20mm tall, when standing fully erect, and most are squatting at about 17mm) I can probably get 8 - 10 done a day.
And for the Thunderbolt Mountain Wolf Riders, 2 a day (meaning one week to finish them - I have two finished already, and a total of 16 of them). Although I need to buy another 2, and convert them into a Command Group for the Wolf Riders (In Middle-earth, the Wolf Riders seem to always exist in separate commands, with their own leaders). Pretty much the same with the Rohirrim (2 - 3 a day). Eventually I need to do dismounted stands for the Rohirrim, and a foot Levy (which would be poorer Éotheod who cannot afford horses, and only fight within the Riddermark, and not with the Éoherë itself).
As for the rest of the GW miniatures, or my 15mm and 6mm Sci-Fi... Or my 15mm historical and fantasy miniatures.... I will have to wait until I get to them to see.
Generally, with 15mm and 6mm, I am more tolerant of minor mistakes, since I do not put nearly the amount of detail in that I do on a 30mm figure.
That and I have about 2,500 total 6mm miniatures, after counting them last night. 1,200 of those are the full Battalion of 6mm Imperial Guard (both new and Original Epic 40k Guard figures) - although the TOE isn't for Imperial Guard, although by omitting and adding bases here and there, it can certainly be used as such. But it has some heavily converted figures (I made actual Mortar Teams, Anti-Tank guns, pulled by converted German WWII trucks, Howitzers and Guns that look like 88's, but have auto-loaders to increase their ROF, and I converted the IG on bikes to make them into flying Grav-bike scouts).....
I think I am going to sell the GW Epic Eldar and Tyranids, though (save for the Termegants, and a few other of the Nids to which I am partial). They are not going to be painted for years, and I have decided that I no longer like the Eldar...
So.... All things considered.... This will reduce my obsession over mistakes, and I can move on to other painting problems.
Like how to get contact cement off a styrene miniature (some fool glued some Rohirrim I got from eBay onto their horses with contact cement, and THEY are all crooked!!!!).
MB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/11 18:55:50
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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I have a "fixing the mistakes" step as part of my painting for all my miniatures. So I usually paint in batches of 5 plus, and I always paint characters in the batch with the rest of the troops. That way, the various shading and so on looks pretty uniform across the army.
What I also do is really plan and test out my shading beforehand, and if I'm doing a large number of troops I try to ensure it doesn't involve any mixing of paints. That helps me to avoid serious mistakes in shading and so on. If I make one, I would tend to ignore it and move on mostly though! For me getting the army or unit done is the most important thing, and minor variations or mistakes don't drive me too crazy. But I think that is a big part of the reason why I will never be more than an average painter.
I'm happy enough with that though- painting is generally something I do to relax, not something I'm looking to push myself on big time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/12 13:29:10
Subject: Fear of the paint brush, part deux (mistakes, and what to do with them)
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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"Carry on regardless" followed by "I'll fix it later" never gets done.
I have all sorts of stuff I meant to do, but by then, it's in a box and out the way. So many models don't have heads for similar reasons.
:(
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