Rumor: SM/SoB vs Tzeentch Campaign Inc. new models

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**DarkStarSabre**

Fayric wrote:
The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.

However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.

Plus the campaign boxes are all plastic. And tend to be distinctly faction specific. Storm Claw had Space Wolf kits rather than their SM counterparts. Where possible Deathstorm used BA kits rather than their SM counterparts.

There are currently no plastic SoBs which completely invalidates them as an option for this...and if they were going to go Tzeentch specific there would be Rubrics. Which are currently a finecast-plastic hybrid kit. Can't see that going in a box either.

**ClockworkZion**

Kosake wrote:
pretre wrote:
1hadhq wrote:
Kosake wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
this is probably the least credible rumour ever.

No, Plastic Thunderhawk holds that honor forever.

Actually, that honor goes to any rumor claiming plastic SOB models... sorry girls.

So plastic T-Hawk and plastic sisters as a bundle?

I'd be in.

There have been plastic SOB models (Immo), but never a plastic thunderhawk.

The rhino part of the repressor kit is probably plastic. Other than that? Can't think of any.

Immo = Immolator. Also the Exorcist is half plastic.

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DarkStarSabre wrote:
Fayric wrote:
The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.

However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.

Plus the campaign boxes are all plastic. And tend to be distinctly faction specific. Storm Claw had Space Wolf kits rather than their SM counterparts. Where possible Deathstorm used BA kits rather than their SM counterparts.

There are currently no plastic SoBs which completely invalidates them as an option for this...and if they were going to go Tzeentch specific there would be Rubrics. Which are currently a finecast-plastic hybrid kit. Can't see that going in a box either.

Arguably they could do Tzeentch, but use generic CSM and Cultists as the core. Yes, Thousand Sons are the more iconic army for Tzeentch but it's not like there aren't other warbands. I mean GW did do Crimson Slaughter over Word Bearers.

**Fayric**

Kosake wrote:
Fayric wrote:
The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.

However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.

Well, for starters, we don't have any specifics on the models. Demons across the board look pretty dated and quite ugly (not in the good sense). So even if the Tzeench part is just some redone existing units, that might be an option.
Then there are some units that are unique to starters - the deffcopters from AOBR for instance. I know there's that Gorkamorka-survivor single model, but I think it's safe to say that it's not really a viable option if you want to field more than 1 deffcopter. CSM chosen from DV. Hell, campaign boxes contained unique miniatures - that SW character, Grukk, Genestealer-Broodlord...
And speaking of limitted releases - remember that SM captain that came with orders of 100 GBP and above? That's as limitted as you can get I'd say.
And finally, as of yet, no-one said there'd be SoB models in the campaign kit so far. Talk was along the lines of SM vs Tzeench, iirc. There's surely some SM kits that GW would like to get rid of and with Nurgle and Khorne receiving some love in fantasy at the moment, that might mean that Tzeench and Slaanesh might get their new shinies in 40k, one coming with the new dex and the other with a campaign release. There would be some sense in that, when done right I guess.

Again, we're speaking about GW so any logical course of action is highly questionable.

The original rumor was specific: its a campaign, including new units and a monster (Plastic Lord of Change, New Tzeentch Daemon unit, New Tzeentch CSM unit).
That kind of release would not be a limited run, and dont fit with the other campaign boxes.
I know all models in a starter are usually uniqe, and that they have been doing sigle charachter limited releases for SM.
But to fit the campaign rumor, it had to be the start of a really large "end times" style campaign.
Actually, the rumored new models fit exactly with end times pattern: only new models for the agressor, obcenely large monster, some brand new large infantry.

**ClockworkZion**

Fayric wrote:
Kosake wrote:
Fayric wrote:
The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.

However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.

Well, for starters, we don't have any specifics on the models. Demons across the board look pretty dated and quite ugly (not in the good sense). So even if the Tzeench part is just some redone existing units, that might be an option.
Then there are some units that are unique to starters - the deffcopters from AOBR for instance. I know there's that Gorkamorka-survivor single model, but I think it's safe to say that it's not really a viable option if you want to field more than 1 deffcopter. CSM chosen from DV. Hell, campaign boxes contained unique miniatures - that SW character, Grukk, Genestealer-Broodlord...
And speaking of limitted releases - remember that SM captain that came with orders of 100 GBP and above? That's as limitted as you can get I'd say.
And finally, as of yet, no-one said there'd be SoB models in the campaign kit so far. Talk was along the lines of SM vs Tzeench, iirc. There's surely some SM kits that GW would like to get rid of and with Nurgle and Khorne receiving some love in fantasy at the moment, that might mean that Tzeench and Slaanesh might get their new shinies in 40k, one coming with the new dex and the other with a campaign release. There would be some sense in that, when done right I guess.

Again, we're speaking about GW so any logical course of action is highly questionable.

The original rumor was specific: its a campaign, including new units and a monster (Plastic Lord of Change, New Tzeentch Daemon unit, New Tzeentch CSM unit).
That kind of release would not be a limited run, and dont fit with the other campaign boxe.
I know all models in a starter is usually uniqe, and that they have been doing sigle charachter limited releases for SM.
But to fit the campaign rumor, it had to be the start of a really large "end times" style campaign.
Actually, the rumored new models fit exactly with end times pattern: only new models for the agressor, obcenely large monster, some brand new large infantry, and perhaps.

It does fit one kind of campaign box: starter boxes.

That would mean that we'd be seeing a replacement for Dark Vengence, which isn't impossible but I'm not assuming it to be the case here.

**MajorWesJanson**

Kosake wrote:

The rhino part of the repressor kit is probably plastic. Other than that? Can't think of any.

The Immolator is entirely plastic.

**pretre**

Kosake wrote:
pretre wrote:
1hadhq wrote:
Kosake wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
this is probably the least credible rumour ever.

No, Plastic Thunderhawk holds that honor forever.

Actually, that honor goes to any rumor claiming plastic SOB models... sorry girls.

So plastic T-Hawk and plastic sisters as a bundle?

I'd be in.

There have been plastic SOB models (Immo), but never a plastic thunderhawk.

The rhino part of the repressor kit is probably plastic. Other than that? Can't think of any.

Immo part is plastic.

**drbored**

I'm really sick of seeing all of these 'BUT THE CAMPAIGN BOXES ARE -insert excuse here-' posts.

I have a very strong feeling that by 'Campaign' they mean the type of campaign that the Orks and Space Wolves were a part of.

That sort of Campaign is EXACTLY the kind of thing that Sisters of Battle could be released in. In fact, I'll bet that if this rumor is true, here's how it's going to go down:

Step 1. GW releases Tzeentch Models alongside Book 1 of Campaign. Book 1 details Tzeentch vs. Space Marines.
Step 2. GW releases second book that introduces Sisters of Battle as combatants.
Step 3. GW releases new Sisters of Battle range and completes campaign.

This process covers SEVERAL months, just like the Orks vs. Space Wolves release did, with Orks getting a new Codex and models at the beginning of the campaign, and Space Wolves getting a new Codex and models at the end of it.

It A) Explains why we have details of the Tzeentch models and B) explains why we don't have solid Sisters rumors because that part of the campaign is further out by several months.

Voila. Can we stop nitpicking about the 'campaign boxes' and all that? Let's call those 'Starter Sets' so we don't get confused, alright?

**dracpanzer**

SeanDrake wrote:
The hopes and dreams of SoB players destined to be crushed every time they talk themselves into thinking there going to get a release.

It's amusing to watch at first but after a couple of years it starts to get sad.

Too true, and i have played Sisters from day one! Though it may be helpful to note that a lot of Sisters players have called foul on these rumors. Doesn't seem likely to me, not that I really care. I still have the 50 plus Sisters I bought the day they were released and about five times that I've collected since.

I for one am pretty happy with the codex (repentia/penengines/celestians aside) and obviously the models. I would rather not suffer through a new Codex nerf/buff if it just makes things worse. New models without an interesting new unit does nothing for me. In other words, I could care less if Sisters get plastics so long as the codex/army remains the same.

A new look for the army just for IP protection would just tick me off. If GW doesn't want to advance the storyline, then I don't have to tag along with any retcons just to have a lighter army case. Also, I am completely fine with the grimdark boobplate, not because its practical or safe or smart, it isn't.

It is an obvious attempt to blatantly show compliance with the decree passive. Which is the entire point of the army in the first place.

**ClockworkZion**

drbored wrote:
I'm really sick of seeing all of these 'BUT THE CAMPAIGN BOXES ARE -insert excuse here-' posts.

I have a very strong feeling that by 'Campaign' they mean the type of campaign that the Orks and Space Wolves were a part of.

That sort of Campaign is EXACTLY the kind of thing that Sisters of Battle could be released in. In fact, I'll bet that if this rumor is true, here's how it's going to go down:

Step 1. GW releases Tzeentch Models alongside Book 1 of Campaign. Book 1 details Tzeentch vs. Space Marines.
Step 2. GW releases second book that introduces Sisters of Battle as combatants.
Step 3. GW releases new Sisters of Battle range and completes campaign.

This process covers SEVERAL months, just like the Orks vs. Space Wolves release did, with Orks getting a new Codex and models at the beginning of the campaign, and Space Wolves getting a new Codex and models at the end of it.

It A) Explains why we have details of the Tzeentch models and B) explains why we don't have solid Sisters rumors because that part of the campaign is further out by several months.

Voila. Can we stop nitpicking about the 'campaign boxes' and all that? Let's call those 'Starter Sets' so we don't get confused, alright?

Orks and Space Wolves still had a campaign set, but there is nothing that says that has to come at the start of a campaign, and the campaign could still be CSM vs SM with the Sisters on the side (like they where in Shield of Baal) but ending with an actual plastic release for Sisters.

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dracpanzer wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
The hopes and dreams of SoB players destined to be crushed every time they talk themselves into thinking there going to get a release.

It's amusing to watch at first but after a couple of years it starts to get sad.

Too true, and i have played Sisters from day one! Though it may be helpful to note that a lot of Sisters players have called foul on these rumors. Doesn't seem likely to me, not that I really care. I still have the 50 plus Sisters I bought the day they were released and about five times that I've collected since.

I do get REALLY tired of that mentality too. Just because some rumors have been bad in the past (and when you go back and look there haven't been that many instances of "plastic sisters" rumors as the hyperbole states, and each time they've been around the time of a release which has been on point thus far for when it comes out) doesn't mean all rumors are automatically false or that we should reject every possibility without at least considering what is being said. This isn't 40k and as such a closed mind is not a virtue.

dracpanzer wrote:
I for one am pretty happy with the codex (repentia/penengines/celestians aside) and obviously the models. I would rather not suffer through a new Codex nerf/buff if it just makes things worse. New models without an interesting new unit does nothing for me. In other words, I could care less if Sisters get plastics so long as the codex/army remains the same.

A new look for the army just for IP protection would just tick me off. If GW doesn't want to advance the storyline, then I don't have to tag along with any retcons just to have a lighter army case. Also, I am completely fine with the grimdark boobplate, not because its practical or safe or smart, it isn't.

It is an obvious attempt to blatantly show compliance with the decree passive. Which is the entire point of the army in the first place.

I'd like for some things to get fixed on the codex honestly, but if the book doesn't change too much I'm not going to be upset. What we need most is new models. I don't doubt we could end up with tighter rules anyways (I mean 7th has been the edition of the most balanced codexes to date) but I'm not going to rely on that being a thing that'll change too much beyond the usual trappings of formations and a different detachment of some kind.

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Just found this through some digging around and nearly choked on my cereal:

Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable.

I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong.

Here's some bits of info:

- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.

- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.

- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.

Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:

Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.

Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.

Adeptus Mechanicus.

30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.

Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.

Then WFB 9th rules.

Horus Heresy releases

Mark 9 Power armoured marines.

WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.

Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).

This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.

So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.

**1hadhq**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Kosake wrote:

The rhino part of the repressor kit is probably plastic. Other than that? Can't think of any.

The Immolator is entirely plastic.

And there we have a plastic SoB.

Ok, just the upper body parts...

ClockworkZion wrote:

Just found this through some digging around and nearly choked on my cereal:

Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable.

I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong.

Here's some bits of info:

- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.

- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.

- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.

Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:

Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.

Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.

Adeptus Mechanicus.

30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.

Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.

Then WFB 9th rules.

Horus Heresy releases

Mark 9 Power armoured marines.

WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.

Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).

This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.

So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.

WHFB stuff I can see. An apoc can't last forever so 9th ed may come.
But 30k rules? Mk9 PA without a dex ?
FW isn't done with 30k yet ....
New PA begs the question if thats a variant of a unit or a general new Mark.? 9 Companies equipped with non-Mk9 PA per Chapter, plus specialists, so upgrading so many marines doesn't seem easy. A 1000 chapters to supply...
Am not saying I would be against a new Mk, but either a codex or some other publication to go with it would be there?

C: Ecclesiarchy however, yes please.
OTOH, a SoB dex, + 30k + Ad-Mech + WHFB9th, sounds like too much competition for the girls...

They may offer SoB to people with already emtpied pockets...and blame the Product instead of their own failure if this does not work.

Quick question: A restart of WHFB would happen most likely when? At games-day? Close to summer holidays?

**pretre**

Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...

**Wonderwolf**

pretre wrote:
Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...

Finally some sense.

On the other hand, Harlequins pretty much invalidated the Lords of Wargaming-claim that all (!) 25mm bases will transition to 32mm. Their first wrong rumour?

**Motograter**

I`d sooner believe the 30k starter box rumour than this one

**Mathieu Raymond**

It might just be that there will be decorative bases that include dead SoB in some box set.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Sisters do not die. They just retire to the side of the Emperor (cannot remember if it was the left or right side). And sometime they Celestine back to kick some heretic asses!

**WrentheFaceless**

pretre wrote:
Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...

This source is more reliable than the sources saying there will be SoB?

**Dentry**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:It might just be that there will be decorative bases that include dead SoB in some box set.

Spectacular.

WrentheFaceless wrote:
pretre wrote:
Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...

This source is more reliable than the sources saying there will be SoB?

Total Rumors: 21 True ; 0 False ; 1 Partially True/Vague

**H.B.M.C.**

Here's some bits of info:

- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.

- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.

- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.

Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:

Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.

Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.

Adeptus Mechanicus.

30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.

Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.

Then WFB 9th rules.

Horus Heresy releases

Mark 9 Power armoured marines.

WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.

Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).

This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.

This looks like a classic example of taking stuff we do know, mixing it in with existing rumours, and presenting it as a genuine list of things to come. The world's salt reserves run dry at the very thought of this.

**ClockworkZion**

pretre wrote:
Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...

More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed". That's not exactly a "it's not going to happen" as it could equally mean "it's going to suck".

**Dentry**

ClockworkZion wrote:
pretre wrote:
Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...

More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed". That's not exactly a "it's not going to happen" as it could equally mean "it's going to suck".

Or that it wont be happening soon.

Unfortunately, I'm also one of those people waiting for (plastic) Sisters.

**H.B.M.C.**

ClockworkZion wrote:
More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed".

That's the default setting for Sisters players, so... no change?

**drbored**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed".

That's the default setting for Sisters players, so... no change?

Yep, no change.

My only hope now is if he means 'disappointed' will be like.. Not a full Codex release like Dark Eldar, but more a mini-dex sort of thing like Harlequins and Militarum Tempestus.

I'd still be ok with that if only we can get a plastic Battle Sisters box.

**ClockworkZion**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed".

That's the default setting for Sisters players, so... no change?

If you listen only to the grumbling on certain boards, yes.

But the thing is "disappointed" is such a loose term in this context that it could mean anything from "no update" to "new codex, no models" to "new codex, new models but everything you know and love has been chucked into the bin for a more generic and less flavorful faction".

**Azreal13**

I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.

**ClockworkZion**

Azreal13 wrote:
I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.

In the realm of rumors I disagree. There are plenty of vague claims that we take to mean one thing when something else has been meant (and was later clarified to be that different thing) and has lead me to only accept specific claims not general ones.

**Azreal13**

There was no other response you could give.

**drbored**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.

In the realm of rumors I disagree. There are plenty of vague claims that we take to mean one thing when something else has been meant (and was later clarified to be that different thing) and has lead me to only accept specific claims not general ones.

OK but look at it this way, if you accept the idea that Sisters of Battle are going to be pushed further down the road (or will just never be updated), then when something DOES come out, you can be super excitedly surprised.

In my desperation, I sent an e-mail to GW customer service. They've got nothing useful of course, but maybe the letter will get to the design team or something as just another tally of people complaining that Sisters aren't getting their update.

The guy did tack on a nice: "Please keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about and their time will come one day!" though, which was appreciated.

**Nvs**

The idea of a 30k campaign coming out at the same time they release a new, future mark of power armor is counter productive.

I could see GW doing something for the HH (hopefully it's a smaller scale game with balanced rules that would actually fit in the tournament scene...), but I seriously doubt a total effort to do warhammer 30k.

**ClockworkZion**

drbored wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.

In the realm of rumors I disagree. There are plenty of vague claims that we take to mean one thing when something else has been meant (and was later clarified to be that different thing) and has lead me to only accept specific claims not general ones.

OK but look at it this way, if you accept the idea that Sisters of Battle are going to be pushed further down the road (or will just never be updated), then when something DOES come out, you can be super excitedly surprised.

In my desperation, I sent an e-mail to GW customer service. They've got nothing useful of course, but maybe the letter will get to the design team or something as just another tally of people complaining that Sisters aren't getting their update.

The guy did tack on a nice: "Please keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about and their time will come one day!" though, which was appreciated.

I approach all rumors the same way: they're fake until proven real. But I still like to entertain rumors.

And I already accepted Sisters as not a May release, I've even posted that myself. So, no, I don't need to be sold on that.

But again, "disappointed" is a vague statement, especially regarding Sisters players. When it comes to how GW treats us we're pretty much always disappointed, the question is how we're going to be disappointed this time.

**pretre**

And they just shot down HH plastics...