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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 13:13:44
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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jreilly89 wrote: Ailaros wrote:Blacksails wrote:complaining and enjoying the game are not mutually exclusive affairs.
I don't think that's true.
If someone is complaining about something they don't like it. They may like the IDEA of it, or they may like a fictional version of it in their head, or they may like the memories they had of something in the past, but they don't like it, as it is, now. Not anymore.
It's nice to cling to the fiction that you still like something (or someone, for that matter), but it's just a fiction.
Very well said Ailaros. I think a lot of people like 40k for what it used to be or the memories they had, but I don't think you can still like something that you extensively hate in its current form.
Hardly. You can hate aspects of something but still like it in general overall. You can complain about part of a game, but still enjoy playing the game. You can even hate the game now but still like the history and the background and the story. So no, complaining and enjoyment are not mutually exclusive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 13:23:02
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Ailaros wrote:
I don't think that's true.
If someone is complaining about something they don't like it. They may like the IDEA of it, or they may like a fictional version of it in their head, or they may like the memories they had of something in the past, but they don't like it, as it is, now. Not anymore.
It's nice to cling to the fiction that you still like something (or someone, for that matter), but it's just a fiction.
I don't think that's true either.
I can criticize aspects or facets of something, and still enjoy the overall experience. My gripes with pricing, GW's business model, 40k's poor balance and vague wording can be smoothed over with the right opponent and I can still have a great time rolling dice, pushing models I enjoy around the table, and making pew-pew noises. My enjoyment doesn't invalidate or conflict with my criticisms of what the game could do to improve and how the parent company could step up, and nor does my criticism of those things take away from the pleasure I get when I'm actually rolling dice with friends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 18:17:43
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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jreilly89 wrote: Azreal13 wrote: typhus40k wrote:
Like I said in the video this is just my opinion, you can either agree or disagree, I am not trolling, I may just be blindly following GW or haven't been playing long enough to be jaded yet.
By the same measure, perhaps you haven't got enough experience to so lightly dismiss other people's opinions?
Incidentally, referring to people as being jaded is another way of dismissing what may be genuine grievances. I'm not jaded because the game isn't well balanced. Sails isn't jaded because the rules are frequently vague and poorly written, someone else isn't jaded because GW frequently charge a significant premium for those rules over other competitiors.
Jaded isn't inherently an insult. Jaded means that you go in with a base prejudice and from what I've seen on Dakka, a lot of users are jaded against GW. Whether you want to argue on if that prejudice is justified is fine, but to say people aren't jaded is a lie.
Firstly, that isn't what I said, and secondly, that isn't what it means.
Jaded means you're apathetic, bored, cynical etc about a topic, generally because you've been overexposed to it. So yes, in that sense, I am jaded about GW and some of their practices.
That has nothing to do with my point, however, which is, jaded or not, dismissing any complaints I may make because you're assuming I'm jaded without taking a look at the complaint itself and judging it on its own validity is yet again putting focus on the wrong part of the equation.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 20:01:01
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Making Stuff
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Ailaros wrote:If someone is complaining about something they don't like it.
Indeed. But complaining that you don't like certain aspects of something doesn't mean that you don't like that thing overall.
I don't like a lot of the dialogue or the ridiculous plot in Star Wars Episode 2. It's still on my frequent watch list, because despite those things, I still enjoy watching it.
It's not a binary equation. I would very strongly doubt that there is anybody out there that doesn't have at least one thing about 40K that they don't like, regardless of how much they like the game overall.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 20:29:32
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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But the whole of something is the sum of its parts. If you went out for a nice dinner, then a funny movie, and then were stabbed by a homeless person on the way home and spent the rest of the evening clinging to life in the hospital, did you have a nice night out?
You could say "I liked the move, but not the stabbing," and that's fine, but did you like your evening as a whole? No. As a whole, it was a bad evening, because you were almost murdered by a homeless person. You did not like that evening, nor would you want to repeat it.
What you'd want to repeat is a fictionalized version of that evening that included the food and movie, but not the stabbing. But it's still a fiction that you like, not a real thing.
It's the same way with people who say "I don't like what 40k has become". What they're saying is "I don't like 40k, but I did like it once when it was different". A different game, not the current one.
Of course, I'm sure you can come up with a fictional 40k where units are balanced just the way you want them, but that's what the 40k proposed rules forum is for. Wishful thinking. In fact, you can do a lot of wishful thinking - why not cut GW"s prices to the point where they pay you to play 40k? The sky's the limit when it comes to imagination.
... the imagination of a game you're coming up with in your mind. Not a real one that exists here and now that people are talking about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 20:31:56
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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There's a difference between getting stabbed and not liking an aspect of a tabletop wargame though isn't there.
You're being very black and white with it. 'You either like all of something or you don't like it at all' is basically what you're saying, and that's not how things work in life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 20:35:17
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Killer Klaivex
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Ailaros wrote:But the whole of something is the sum of its parts. If you went out for a nice dinner, then a funny movie, and then were stabbed by a homeless person on the way home and spent the rest of the evening clinging to life in the hospital, did you have a nice night out?
Is that an appropriate analogy for 40k - having a nice evening until you get stabbed?
If so, I can see why so many people don't like it at the moment.
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Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
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"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 20:45:01
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Ailaros wrote:But the whole of something is the sum of its parts. If you went out for a nice dinner, then a funny movie, and then were stabbed by a homeless person on the way home and spent the rest of the evening clinging to life in the hospital, did you have a nice night out?
You could say "I liked the move, but not the stabbing," and that's fine, but did you like your evening as a whole? No. As a whole, it was a bad evening, because you were almost murdered by a homeless person. You did not like that evening, nor would you want to repeat it.
Or it could be a nice dinner, funny movie and missing the buss and having to wait an extra fifteen minutes. Or maybe it was raining...
'You either like everything, or none of it' is a bit of a short sighted, misguided and skewed narrative.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 21:13:38
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Fixture of Dakka
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*edit* forget it, I can't bother.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 21:15:49
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Analogies, people. They're used to refer to points being made, not something designed to start a syntax argument...
If you like parts of something but not others, then either you like something, and are being a pedantic ass by complaining about something that you already like, or else you don't like something, you just like a pretend version of something, rather than the actual reality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 21:23:55
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Or, you're a human being, and can like parts and dislike other parts of things.
It's very easy to say, "I liked the movie, but I think it would have been better if...."
That's the thing about people, they tend to want things to be better than they are, even if they currently don't have any major problems with it.
Which, if you think about it, is a great thing. It's what drives change. Otherwise wouldn't be still be playing Rogue Trader instead of 7th edition?
Mind you, not every change is for the better, and since people aren't a hive mind there are differences of opinion, but the point still stands that it's entirely possible to dislike an aspect of something without disliking the whole thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 21:28:07
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Ailaros wrote:Analogies, people. They're used to refer to points being made, not something designed to start a syntax argument...
If you like parts of something but not others, then either you like something, and are being a pedantic ass by complaining about something that you already like, or else you don't like something, you just like a pretend version of something, rather than the actual reality.
Analogies can be good or bad.
Yours was of insufficient quality and lacked enough points of comparison to work effectively.
We can all see the point you're trying to make, but your premise is flawed, it is perfectly acceptable to enjoy something overall while finding specific elements less enjoyable, or even disliking them.
It is also possible to like or dislike something to varying degrees, resulting in an aggregate "like" or "dislike" of any given composite of things without universally liking or disliking every single element.
How is that difficult to grasp?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 21:34:03
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Fixture of Dakka
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I love my car. There is also things I don't like about it. Do I give up my car because of it? No. So you can love or like something and yet criticize it so the next version will become better.
Same goes for your spouse. You can love your spouse and yet find things you don't like about them. Does that mean you leave them?
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 21:49:05
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Guess I hate Dark Souls because I don't like handing over covenant items for a couple of minutes. Even though it's my favorite video game to have come out in the past ten or so years.
Or you know I actually do like it because I'm a rational human being that knows you do not have to like EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of something to like the overall experience or product.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 22:00:43
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Ailaros wrote:Analogies, people. They're used to refer to points being made, not something designed to start a syntax argument... If you like parts of something but not others, then either you like something, and are being a pedantic ass by complaining about something that you already like, or else you don't like something, you just like a pretend version of something, rather than the actual reality.
You analogy was so wildly different that it was of no use. If you had a 3 course meal and didn't like the first course but did like the 2nd and 3rd course... you're either being a pedantic arse or you don't like the 3 course meal at all? Sorry that just sounds crazy. Just last night I had a meal where they didn't bring us one of the things I ordered, I still ate the meal, I still liked the meal, however I didn't like the part where they didn't bring me everything I ordered and I complained about it after the meal. How is that being pedantic and/or placing me in the "did not like" camp? Or Davor's car analogy, I can relate to that. I'm a classic car guy, the 2 cars I own are 1979 and 1971 models. You better believe they piss me off from time to time, but I still find them fun and I still love them. Lack of airconditioning, pathetic radios, one of them leaks when it rains, noisy, squeeky, more rattles than a billionaire's baby, but I still like them. The 1971 corvette is worth more than most modern cars I see driving around so if I didn't like it I could just sell it and buy a brand new car, but that would be boring and not as much fun. I like it, and yet I dislike the fact the poor AC and cabin noise. Seriously, shades of grey dude, they exist. Why we are even having this conversation I have no idea, the idea you have to like all of something or else you are being a pedantic arse or really don't like it is so insane I can't believe it's gone this far.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 22:05:44
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Which means you don't like the thing.
You like an amalgamation of cherry-picked parts that you use to create a thing that you like.
Davor wrote:I love my car. There is also things I don't like about it. Do I give up my car because of it? No. So you can love or like something and yet criticize it so the next version will become better.
Same goes for your spouse. You can love your spouse and yet find things you don't like about them. Does that mean you leave them?
Of course not. I've had many a time where I haven't liked my wife. That doesn't mean I got divorced, but it also doesn't mean I put my fingers in my ears and pretend I like something I don't.
I love my wife, but whether I like her or not, I like her, not the IDEA of her.
SilverDevilfish wrote:Guess I hate Dark Souls because I don't like handing over covenant items for a couple of minutes.
"Not liking" and "hating" are not synonyms.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 22:26:24
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ailaros wrote:
Which means you don't like the thing.
You like an amalgamation of cherry-picked parts that you use to create a thing that you like.
Are you a robot? I'm actually serious, are you? I've never met a human being who's thinking was that binary.
It's entirely possible to dislike certain aspects of something while still liking the whole.
I don't understand why you have problems with that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 22:30:25
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You disagree with an argument, therefore the arguer is inhuman?
Hmm, something about ad hominem isn't coming across as that convincing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 22:37:43
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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No. Bad argument is bad, short sighted, skewed and narrow minded.
it means you like parts of it, and you dislike parts of it. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's got nothing to do with picking cherries, getting stabbed after dinner or liking ideas in your head; it's simple - you can like something despite it having flaws, if the rest of it makes up for them. It's the sum total that counts.
Despite what you say, things are simp,y not binary. And it's possible for the aspects you like to outweigh the aspects you don't like. Holding to, and Pursuing this false narrative of yours is pointless, petty and pedantic. Shades of grey. They exist. Get over that fact.
Ailaros wrote:
Of course not. I've had many a time where I haven't liked my wife. That doesn't bmean I got divorced, but it also doesn't mean I put my fingers in my ears and pretend I like something I don't.
I love my wife, but whether I like her or not, I like her, not the IDEA of her.
There's things about mrs deadnight that I don't like either, but it's preposterous to say that disliking those things thereforemeans I don't like Mrs deadnight, or thst I put my fingers in my ears and pretend I like something that I don't because I dislike one of two of her habits. You can dislike some things, but they don't comprise the sum total. There's the rest to consider too, And overall, she's worth it. So I happily say 'yes I like her'. But thst could be because she has a baseball bat and scares me.
Oh yeah, and again, for the record: Things aren't binary. Your argument, quite simply, is flawed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 22:54:07
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ailaros wrote:You disagree with an argument, therefore the arguer is inhuman?
Hmm, something about ad hominem isn't coming across as that convincing.
Not at all, I've disagreed with hundreds of people without thinking they were anything less.
It's just that I can only think that one of three situations is happening here, and you being a robot was my favorite. Because let's be honest, how awesome would that be?
The other two situations are that you're either being willfully ignorant just to annoy people, which is no fun at all.
Or you are the one, single person that I have ever met or heard of in all my life that honestly has no shades of grey whatsoever and really, truly believes that if you dislike any tiny, single part, you dislike the whole.
Which is not anywhere as fun as my robot theory, and might be even less likely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:06:25
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Indeed. Which is exactly why it is possible to like that think while disliking some of the parts... In the overall equation, so long as the bits you like outweigh the bits you don't like, the end result is that you like the 'whole'.
If you went out for a nice dinner, then a funny movie, and then were stabbed by a homeless person on the way home and spent the rest of the evening clinging to life in the hospital, did you have a nice night out?
A more apt analogy would be - if you enjoy eatng nice food and watching funny movies, but dislike being stabbed, would you like going out?
And the answer to that depends on whether or not the possibility of being stabbed is off-putting enough to outweigh your enjoyment of the dinner and movie.
You could say "I liked the move, but not the stabbing," and that's fine, but did you like your evening as a whole? No. As a whole, it was a bad evening, because you were almost murdered by a homeless person. You did not like that evening, nor would you want to repeat it.
Unless, of course, you think that being stabbed, while not fun, isn't that big a deal, in which case winding up in hospital is nothing more than an inconvenience, and your evening overall was enjoyable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:09:37
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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This black and white stuff is insane! It makes me think of my car...
There are a number of things I like about it- the seat heater, the fact that it's a manual, the color, the upholestry, fancy cup-holder, etc. And then there are things I don't like- the buggy electronics, weird high-mileage issues.
The thing is, I am completely within my rights to make complaints against these specific issues, it doesn't mean I hate the car. Maybe my overall grade of the car is lower than an absolute A+, but if it's in the range of a B or so then I'm completely fine driving it. Obviously, there is a correlation between the features of the car and how much it costs, which is one of the biggest influencing factor of the overall satisfaction. But when I put out complaints about the car, no one is going to call me out on pointing out something like the buggy electronics!
The same thing goes for 40k and is part of why I can't fathom that people would be opposed to others pointing out things they don't like about this insanely expensive hobby. The rules for the game alone are $135 at retail- just the rules! What has happened is that 40k went from a moderately-priced game in terms of army size and cost and increased exponentially in cost. You have all the people who were part of the game when it was in the more moderate range now trying to play the same game, only now it costs twice or even three times as much as it did not that long ago. The 5th edition rules of 40k were still in cycle less than three years ago, and in that time you have seen an explosion in game-supplementing costs (rulebooks, supplements/datasaltes, and the continual points-dropping of units to make them more balanced with the rest of the game, ensuring a never-ending cycle of depreciation) that aren't even part of the actual experience of playing the game.
So, I find myself loving the DE army I built a couple of years back, but the continuing costs are hitting the point of being unpalatable, and I think you're seeing that with a lot of other people as well. If 40k were to come out today for the first time, running with the costs it does now, the game would never make it. It has survived largely on its long-term playing base (mostly players who've played greater than three years). The fact that there is so much complaining, coupled with what we've seen in terms of GW's profits (with increased costs not replacing lost sales at a corresponding level), should actually be causing GW quite an alarm (and it seems to have with WHFB). That others can't understand why others are complaining just calls of willful blindness to other's concerns. And they may be inclined to say "feth them" to anyone who dare says anything bad about 40k, but eventually if the issues aren't addressed (and indeed worsened, since GW doesn't seem to be slowing down any of their trends), they may find themselves alone with the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:10:23
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Yet another thread inwhich the select few forum actives step in and agonize about the lack of substance and new angles while having nor presenting none themselves for their side either.
And a person who doesn't share their view being labeled as a white knight.
Oh. It's already offtopic and now an argument about if you can like something while hating aspects of it. Carry on then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:12:56
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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RunicFIN wrote:Yet another thread inwhich the select few forum actives step in and agonize about the lack of substance and new angles while having nor presenting none themselves for their side either.
And a person who doesn't share their view being labeled as a white knight.
Oh. It's already offtopic and now an argument about if you can like something while hating aspects of it. Carry on then.
Yes, and then another group of forum members come in antagonize that group, and we get no where. Although with the original premise of the thread (people complain about 40k unfairly), we weren't bound to get anywhere anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:16:03
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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RunicFIN wrote:Yet another thread inwhich the select few forum actives step in and agonize about the lack of substance and new angles while having nor presenting none themselves for their side either.
And a person who doesn't share their view being labeled as a white knight.
Oh. It's already offtopic and now an argument about if you can like something while hating aspects of it. Carry on then.
Good one
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:20:53
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Paramount Plague Censer Bearer
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RunicFIN wrote:Yet another thread inwhich the select few forum actives step in and agonize about the lack of substance and new angles while having nor presenting none themselves for their side either. And a person who doesn't share their view being labeled as a white knight. Oh. It's already offtopic and now an argument about if you can like something while hating aspects of it. Carry on then. Yet another post by RunicFIN about how he dislikes things on Dakka but yet he's still here. Which means you must overall like Dakka, despite not liking certain things about it, or else why would you be here? Way to hurt the argument of the person you're trying to support by existing Runic.
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My win rate while having my arms and legs tied behind by back while blindfolded and stuffed in a safe that is submerged underwater:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:25:33
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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SilverDevilfish wrote: RunicFIN wrote:Yet another thread inwhich the select few forum actives step in and agonize about the lack of substance and new angles while having nor presenting none themselves for their side either.
And a person who doesn't share their view being labeled as a white knight.
Oh. It's already offtopic and now an argument about if you can like something while hating aspects of it. Carry on then.
Yet another post by RunicFIN about how he dislikes things on Dakka but yet he's still here.
Which means you must overall like Dakka, despite not liking certain things about it, or else why would you be here?
Way to hurt the argument of the person you're trying to support by existing Runic.
He doesn't like us though, so he can't like Dakka. That's how it works! He likes some fictional Dakka where we aren't on it or something...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:28:22
Subject: Re:40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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Stoic Grail Knight
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In my version of Dakka, Kroothawk still posts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/15 23:37:56
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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I suspect he still is.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 01:12:51
Subject: 40k and complaining- FNP Wargamers, Five Ups
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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So... that took a turn for the weird
I think we're done here.
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