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2015/02/16 18:02:40
Subject: Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
(CNN)The family of a Mexican national fatally shot by police in Pasco, Washington, has filed a $25 million claim against the city alleging that three officers killed the unarmed man "execution style."
Antonio Zambrano-Montes, 35, was shot by police Tuesday after he allegedly hurled rocks at vehicles and Pasco officers.
The city and the police department weren't commenting on the claim, Pasco City Manager Dave Zabell said Saturday.
The case is attracting attention because a video posted on YouTube shows Zambrano running across a street with police in pursuit before he was fatally shot. The shooting has sparked local protests and anger at what some say is another example of police brutality and excessive force against an unarmed man who is a minority.
Zambrano-Montes' widow, Teresa De Jesus Meraz Ruiz, 32, and the couple's two minor daughters accused three Pasco officers in "the murder" of Zambrano-Montes, according to the claim filed Friday.
One officer, Ryan Flanagan, "has a prior history of official misconduct in civil rights matters," the claim alleges. The other two officers are Adam Wright and Adrian Alaniz, the claim said.
The three officers are on paid administrative leave; Zabell said the city wouldn't comment on the accusations against them.
Flanagan is a nine-year veteran; Wright, a firearms instructor with eight years' experience; and Alaniz, an officer with two years on the job, officials said.
Mexican diplomat concerned
Meanwhile, the Mexican consul in Seattle, Eduardo Baca, wrote a letter Thursday to Police Chief Robert Metzger expressing "deep concern over the unwarranted use of lethal force against an unarmed Mexican national by police officers."
Baca asked for a thorough investigation "in accordance with the Vienna Convention on Consular Affairs provision, to which both Mexico and the United States are parties."
Read consul's letter
On Friday, Metzger wrote a letter to Baca stating that the Pasco department and other law agencies are investigating "the circumstances surrounding the incident."
When a Tri-City Special Investigations Unit completes its inquiry, the report will be forwarded to the Franklin County Prosecutor's Office, Metzger wrote.
Police have alleged that Zambrano-Montes was throwing rocks at cars and trucks when he was confronted by officers. Officers attempted "voice commands and low level force," and used a Taser, police said, but those efforts were unsuccessful.
Read chief's reply
After two officers were struck with rocks -- at least one of them as large as a softball -- police said the officers resorted to deadly force.
Didn't understand English
Zambrano-Montes's family have told reporters he wouldn't have been able to understand the commands.
"He didn't understand English and they were talking to him in English," one cousin said. "Why not get a Hispanic officer?"
The incident began, according to the claim, on Tuesday about 5 p.m. when Zambrano-Montes was suspected of throwing rocks.
A very brief encounter occurred between Zambrano-Montes and police, "during which the officers may have tried to taser" him, the claim said.
Zambrano-Montes separated from the officer and walked away from them in the crosswalk, the claim said.
"He had his back to the officers," the claim said. "At this point, the officers started shooting at Mr. Zambrano-Montes.
"After Mr. Zambrano-Montes reached the other side of the street and got on the sidewalk, he continued to walk away from the officers with his hands out where they could be seen, again showing that he had no knife, no gun or nothing else in his hands that would cause a threat to the three officers who were then lined up on the sidewalk behind ... Antonio Zambrano-Montes," the claim alleges.
"As Mr. Zambrano-Montes turned toward the officers, all three officers fired multiple rounds, killing Antonio Zambrano-Montes on the sidewalk in front of numerous businesses," the claim alleges.
"At the time that he was shot and killed, execution style, by the three officers named herein, in broad daylight, and with no knife or firearm in his hands, and for the conduct of throwing rocks at an earlier time, Mr. Zambrano-Montes posed no danger to the three officers, such that they were justified in the use of deadly force..." the claim said.
The claim accuses the police of assault, battery, intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress, wrongful death and civil rights violations.
Police-involved shootings
The claim said the incident was the third fatal shooting by a Pasco officer "in a very short period of time," and accused the city of "retaining officers who had a proven history of violation of civil rights against the Latino/Hispanic community" and "allowing and fostering overt racial (animus) towards the Hispanic/Latino community within the Pasco Police Department."
Zambrano-Montes's shooting death was the fourth fatal officer-involved shooting in Pasco in the past seven months, said city spokesman Jon Funfar. One of those shootings, however, involved a deputy from Benton County, although Pasco is in Franklin County, Funfar said. According to the Tri-City Herald, officers were cleared in the other three shootings.
The coroner said his office would conduct a separate inquest in the Zambrano-Montes case with six community members, once the law enforcement investigation is complete.
The family's attorney, George Trejo, said supporters were scheduled to march Saturday from a park to City Hall and the police department.
On Wednesday, about 100 protesters marched outside Pasco City Hall, with some chanting "It was only a rock," CNN affiliate KEPR reported.
The shooting comes in a period of strained police-community relations following the police-involved deaths last summer of Eric Garner, 43, on Staten Island in New York and Michael Brown, 18, in Ferguson, Missouri.
The medical examiner ruled Garner's July 17 death a homicide due to compression of his neck and chest when he was taken down by an officer using a chokehold. His death sparked street protests, a review of police procedures and calls for a federal civil rights investigation. A grand jury declined to prosecute Officer Daniel Pantaleo in the case.
A few weeks later, Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson shot Brown after an altercation in the street.
The death of Brown, who was unarmed, thrust into the forefront the issue of law enforcement's use of deadly force. A grand jury declined to prosecute Wilson, a decision that led to national demonstrations.
Again, no weapon. These cops were in so much danger!
2015/02/16 18:07:30
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Medium of Death wrote: The video he turns round with his arms facing forward at hip height. Could have been a gun for all the pursuing officers knew.
If he didn't want to get shot maybe he shouldn't have thrown rocks at police cars or ran away from the police.
"After Mr. Zambrano-Montes reached the other side of the street and got on the sidewalk, he continued to walk away from the officers with his hands out where they could be seen, again showing that he had no knife, no gun or nothing else in his hands that would cause a threat to the three officers who were then lined up on the sidewalk behind ... Antonio Zambrano-Montes," the claim alleges.
You should read more. Also, throwing rocks does not give somebody the right to use deadly force. I expected this argument, but holy gak, first post?
sirlynchmob wrote:I thought you were going with the cops in madison AL, who paralyze a man. But at least this cop got arrested and needs bail money.
Madison, AL– Madison police officer Eric Parker is facing charges of third-degree assault after brutally attacking a 57-year-old man who could not understand the officer’s instructions due to a language barrier. and was left hospitalized on the morning of Friday, February 6.
The run in with Parker left this innocent man hospitalized on the morning of Friday, February 6.
The Indian citizen, Sureshbhai Patel, had just come to the United States about a week prior to the incident to help his son, Chirag Patel, and his wife care for their new baby. Sureshbhai Patel was staying with them at their new house in Madison so Chirag could pursue his master’s degree in electrical engineering. Each morning, the grandfather would take a walk, which apparently threatened one of the neighbors.
The neighbor called the police and described the gentleman as, “a skinny black guy, he’s got a toboggan on, he’s really skinny.” The Zimmerman-like neighbor told the operator that he was following him, as he was supposed to be on his way to work. However, he was apparently so threatened with this peaceful grandfather out taking a morning stroll, that he didn’t want to leave his wife home alone.
Eric Parker and his trainee Andrew Slaughter arrived at the scene around 8 am. What happened next, left this innocent man paralyzed. The attack was caught on dash cam.
Medium of Death wrote: The video he turns round with his arms facing forward at hip height. Could have been a gun for all the pursuing officers knew.
If he didn't want to get shot maybe he shouldn't have thrown rocks at police cars or ran away from the police.
"After Mr. Zambrano-Montes reached the other side of the street and got on the sidewalk, he continued to walk away from the officers with his hands out where they could be seen, again showing that he had no knife, no gun or nothing else in his hands that would cause a threat to the three officers who were then lined up on the sidewalk behind ... Antonio Zambrano-Montes," the claim alleges.
*Throw Rocks at officers*
*SURPRISED when attacked by Officers*
When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
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2019/04/16 18:29:11
Subject: Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers*
*SURPRISED when attacked by Officers*
When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
Holy crap, did anybody read anything?
"He didn't understand English and they were talking to him in English," one cousin said. "Why not get a Hispanic officer?"
2015/02/16 18:32:49
Subject: Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers*
*SURPRISED when attacked by Officers*
When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
Holy crap, did anybody read anything?
"He didn't understand English and they were talking to him in English," one cousin said. "Why not get a Hispanic officer?"
So... while he's throwing rocks, they're supposed to call dispatch, find an officer who can speak spanish, and wait around for a half hour for him to drive over from wherever he's currently located to handle the situation? When the situation pretty much consists of "stop throwing large rocks at people with guns"?
Yeah, that's going to get my sympathy.
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2015/02/16 18:40:02
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Your just anti-police baiting like you do in every thread. You haven't even watched the clip of him leading up to him getting shot.
Criticism of the police can be justified but i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
I also think the language barrier is BS. If you're in another country and the police shout and point guns at you it would probably be prudent to put your hands up or lie down.
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Cops might have screwed up on this one, though I'll wait till more info comes out before I accuse someone of murder.
As MoD said, if you watch the video, it seems like the dude turns toward the cops and reaches for his belt. Then again, it's hard to see, so I'm not sure. In any case, it's sad the man is dead.
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers*
*SURPRISED when attacked by Officers*
When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
Holy crap, did anybody read anything?
"He didn't understand English and they were talking to him in English," one cousin said. "Why not get a Hispanic officer?"
Did you? It said in the article that the man had had encounters with the police in the past and was arrested on at least one occasion. Do you honestly believe that, upon encountering 3 police officers during a similar situation to the one in which he was previously arrested, this man didn't understand protocol?
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2015/02/16 18:49:14
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Medium of Death wrote: Your just anti-police baiting like you do in every thread. You haven't even watched the clip of him leading up to him getting shot.
Criticism of the police can be justified but i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
I also think the language barrier is BS. If you're in another country and the police shout and point guns at you it would probably be prudent to put your hands up or lie down.
It's sad when this is considered the norm. Where cops can freely execute people by fireing squads and it is deemed as not only the norm, but the rational thing to do. It's sad how many people think the police escalating the violence when it's not called for, is now the norm and accepted.
2015/02/16 18:57:17
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
These bloodthirsty cops were out for blood. They chose this poor man out of the crowd, while he was just throwing softball sized rocks at passing vehicles. Then this 35 year old man came upon an insurmountable language barrier and could not overcome it, so sensibly decided to smash the barrier with more rocks. The cops, looking to fill their kill-quota, then exhausted all non-lethal techniques available, to cover their butts in the inevitable shitstorm that follows a police shooting, lethal or nonlethal. They even put themselves in front of the flying rocks, thrown by a 35 year old man, to justify their use of force. They then used lethal force.
Did I miss anything?
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2015/02/16 19:02:56
Subject: Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Medium of Death wrote: Your just anti-police baiting like you do in every thread. You haven't even watched the clip of him leading up to him getting shot.
Criticism of the police can be justified but i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
I also think the language barrier is BS. If you're in another country and the police shout and point guns at you it would probably be prudent to put your hands up or lie down.
It's sad when this is considered the norm. Where cops can freely execute people by fireing squads and it is deemed as not only the norm, but the rational thing to do. It's sad how many people think the police escalating the violence when it's not called for, is now the norm and accepted.
Firing squads by the po po is the norm?
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2015/02/16 19:05:55
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Guy throws rocks as large as softballs at cars, trucks, and then police. He then gets shot. I don't see the problem here. He could've killed multiple people! Thank god he was removed from the gene pool.
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2015/02/16 19:07:46
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Medium of Death wrote: Your just anti-police baiting like you do in every thread. You haven't even watched the clip of him leading up to him getting shot.
Criticism of the police can be justified but i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
I also think the language barrier is BS. If you're in another country and the police shout and point guns at you it would probably be prudent to put your hands up or lie down.
It's sad when this is considered the norm. Where cops can freely execute people by fireing squads and it is deemed as not only the norm, but the rational thing to do. It's sad how many people think the police escalating the violence when it's not called for, is now the norm and accepted.
It's sad when this is considered the norm. Where cops can freely execute people by fireing squads and it is deemed as not only the norm, but the rational thing to do. It's sad how many people think the police escalating the violence when it's not called for, is now the norm and accepted.
Medium of Death wrote: Your just anti-police baiting like you do in every thread. You haven't even watched the clip of him leading up to him getting shot.
Criticism of the police can be justified but i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
I also think the language barrier is BS. If you're in another country and the police shout and point guns at you it would probably be prudent to put your hands up or lie down.
It's sad when this is considered the norm. Where cops can freely execute people by fireing squads and it is deemed as not only the norm, but the rational thing to do. It's sad how many people think the police escalating the violence when it's not called for, is now the norm and accepted.
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2015/02/16 19:26:46
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Medium of Death wrote: Your just anti-police baiting like you do in every thread. You haven't even watched the clip of him leading up to him getting shot.
Criticism of the police can be justified but i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
I also think the language barrier is BS. If you're in another country and the police shout and point guns at you it would probably be prudent to put your hands up or lie down.
I am not anti-police baiting. I am pointing out the fact that the police decided to use deadly force against a man who was unarmed. I like that you say that "criticism of the police can be justified" but then attempt to bash me for criticizing them. I did watch the clip. In the clip, he was attempting to flee, clearly with nothing in his hands then turned around.
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers*
*SURPRISED when attacked by Officers*
When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
Holy crap, did anybody read anything?
"He didn't understand English and they were talking to him in English," one cousin said. "Why not get a Hispanic officer?"
So... while he's throwing rocks, they're supposed to call dispatch, find an officer who can speak spanish, and wait around for a half hour for him to drive over from wherever he's currently located to handle the situation? When the situation pretty much consists of "stop throwing large rocks at people with guns"?
Yeah, that's going to get my sympathy.
3 men cannot stop 1 man from throwing rocks without firing a weapon at him. Clearly, this is a calm and normal reaction. I mean, they could have tried to subdue the man, since it is 3 on 1. Then they could have called for an Officer who speaks spanish to come and talk him while he is in custody. But screw that, he is 30 minutes away! Lets smoke him!
2015/02/16 19:32:44
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
It's sad when this is considered the norm. Where cops can freely execute people by fireing squads and it is deemed as not only the norm, but the rational thing to do. It's sad how many people think the police escalating the violence when it's not called for, is now the norm and accepted.
Do you have any evidence for the claims you make?
Did you not read the post I replied to?
i don't really see anything that went terribly wrong here. The outcome isn't surprising.
This guy clearly see's the police actions as the norm, and accepts it's outcome. And as you need further evidence, I would guess you also see this as the norm and acceptable. You two clearly prove the claims I made.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm all for exposing officers who were in the wrong, but I'm not sure this one is right. Language barrier or not, don't throw rocks at cops is pretty self explanatory. Go to somewhere like Madrid or Bangkok and throw rocks at the cops. Call me after you're arrested or worse.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers* *SURPRISED when attacked by Officers* When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
So throwing rocks at police is now a valid reason for being shot to death? You guys are barbaric. Even Iran has better human rights than that. Throwing rocks at police is of course a sure way to get fined or arrested, but killed?
I'm all for exposing officers who were in the wrong, but I'm not sure this one is right. Language barrier or not, don't throw rocks at cops is pretty self explanatory. Go to somewhere like Madrid or Bangkok and throw rocks at the cops. Call me after you're arrested or worse.
I am pretty sure no one has been killed in Madrid for throwing stuff at police at least since the dictator Franco died.
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2015/02/16 20:04:23
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
Rocks can kill people, you know. And it wasn't the rock throwing either that got him shot I believe. It was how he reached for his waistband.
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2015/02/16 20:09:29
Subject: Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers*
*SURPRISED when attacked by Officers*
When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
So throwing rocks at police is now a valid reason for being shot to death? You guys are barbaric. Even Iran has better human rights than that.
Throwing rocks at police is of course a sure way to get fined or arrested, but killed?
Assaulting a police officer or any private citizen can result in acts of lawful self defense that leave the person who committed the assault dead. That's been true for a few centuries here in the US. The onus is not on the cops or private citizen who is being assaulted with thrown rocks to resolve the situation peacefully, the onus is on the rock thrower to not assault people with lethal implements. You can be killed or incapacitated by a thrown rock, it's a clear cut case of somebody presenting a reasonable imminent threat of bodily harm which gives anyone, cop or citizen, the lawful right to defend himself/herself with lethal force.
If somebody chooses to play stupid games (such as chucking rocks at people/cops) they tend to win stupid prizes (such as being shot to death).
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2015/02/16 20:17:02
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
TheCustomLime wrote: And it wasn't the rock throwing either that got him shot I believe. It was how he reached for his waistband.
That is an even better reason. So as soon as someone gets his hands near his waist you can kill him? Ridiculous. You can not kill someone on the possibility he just might be about to take out a gun in front of a whole lot of police guys aiming weapons at him. It is especially slowed since he was running away and clearly trying to avoid confrontation. From all this shootings, I gather US police are little better than murderous armed thugs that can shoot anyone on sight and get away with it. This does not happen in other countries. Police should only shoot when they can actually see a gun, not on the suspicion a suspect might possibly be reaching for one.
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Throw Rocks at officers* *SURPRISED when attacked by Officers* When an officer tells you to get down, you get down, hands behind head, if the arrest is unlawful, you fight it later.
So throwing rocks at police is now a valid reason for being shot to death? You guys are barbaric. Even Iran has better human rights than that. Throwing rocks at police is of course a sure way to get fined or arrested, but killed?
Assaulting a police officer or any private citizen can result in acts of lawful self defense that leave the person who committed the assault dead. That's been true for a few centuries here in the US. The onus is not on the cops or private citizen who is being assaulted with thrown rocks to resolve the situation peacefully, the onus is on the rock thrower to not assault people with lethal implements. You can be killed or incapacitated by a thrown rock, it's a clear cut case of somebody presenting a reasonable imminent threat of bodily harm which gives anyone, cop or citizen, the lawful right to defend himself/herself with lethal force.
So hitting someone in the face or throwing a rock at someone is in the US a legal ground for killing someone? I have a hard time believing that, but if it is true, the US truly wins an award for the single-most barbaric place on earth (after North Korea). And where are the borders to it? What exactly constitutes a "reasonable threat of bodily harm"? I think that would be rather subjective.
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2015/02/16 20:20:36
Subject: Re:Jumping the Gun, another police brutality thread
TheCustomLime wrote: Rocks can kill people, you know. And it wasn't the rock throwing either that got him shot I believe. It was how he reached for his waistband.
Reaching for your waistband has been shown time and time again to be a criminal offense. Especially when there is no weapon there and said person does not draw a weapon, which can clearly be seen. Now, the "hindsight 20/20" argument is going to get thrown around. Then, somebody will mention that if they had waited another 2-3 seconds or waited until they saw a weapon, a human being would be alive. But, alas, he was a fool who deserved to die. For throwing rocks.
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