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In other words- which Primarch would the Chaos Gods have seen as the least corruptible?*

There's an argument that could, in theory, be made that those aren't the same, but I don't think it's one that holds water.

*At the time immediately before Horus fell

Ferus Manus. If the rumours about his hands being Living Metal are true, that's a built-in anti-warp-taint device right there.

Rogal Dorn. He seems to have been made with the same attributes as the Custodes and his loyalty to the Emperor is placed above all else.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Rogal Dorn. He seems to have been made with the same attributes as the Custodes and his loyalty to the Emperor is placed above all else.

His pain fetish though could have put him over the edge. Too much masochism and he could have fallen to Slaanesh before he vanished into thin air.

Also, I'd have to say a tie between Sanguinius and Vulkan. Vulkan is a genuine humanitarian and the fire in his belly burns for one purpose and that purpose only- the protection of the meek. The only way I could see him falling to Chaos is if he believed he found definite proof that civilian life would be better under Chaos then under the Emperor, and there's a fat chance of that ever happening. As for Sanguinius, he's SPEEESSS Jesus.

Dorn. At the weekender they said he was pretty much incorruptible.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Rogal Dorn. He seems to have been made with the same attributes as the Custodes and his loyalty to the Emperor is placed above all else.

His pain fetish though could have put him over the edge. Too much masochism and he could have fallen to Slaanesh before he vanished into thin air.

True, but his pain isn't about pleasure it's about penance and correcting failure. But ok, it could go the other way, if Dorn was a lesser Primarch

 Wyzilla wrote:
his belly burns for one purpose and that purpose only- the protection of the meek.

Lies! This has been replaced with wanting to kick Curze in the nuts!

And doesn't Vulkan have a similar fetish as Dorn, but on the end of a Branding Rod?

 Wyzilla wrote:


Vulkan is a genuine humanitarian and the fire in his belly burns for one purpose and that purpose only- the protection of the meek. The only way I could see him falling to Chaos is if he believed he found definite proof that civilian life would be better under Chaos then under the Emperor

He could be forced in such a situation quite easilly with inquisition and other legions obliterating regular humans like no big deal. When such stuff happens, you start asking yourself: "Is it really that great in here?". He could feel bitter and even desperate. Viola. You've got a place for Chaos to set it's roots exploiting this uncertainty.

Going with the Angel. Seems to have real faith in humanity, not just the Emperor. Also, seeing his children fall to a maddening disease that may have been brought on by his own possible warp taint, just drove him to fight against chaos that much more.

Also again, Sanguinius is a pretty cool guy, and doesn't affraid of nothin'.

Here's a spanner to throw into your noggin-works.

What if the lest corruptible was Horus?
What if the Chaos Gods recognised that Horus was the least corruptible and most capable of holding the Imperium together and so they 'went for the head' expecting the rest of the body to fall? After all, Horus was the favoured son most like his Father the Emperor.


Thinking about it... Put each Primarch in Horus' position before they knew about the effects of chaos - would any of them done any better? They're all deeply flawed.




Just as planned...

The Chaos Gods themselves at least thought that Sanguinius could have been corrupted. Horus thought otherwise, but there was speculation by those around him that he was actually afraid the Chaos Gods would replace him with Sanguinius.

I think it was Erebus who thought Sanguinius would fall. Lorgar was pretty sure he wouldn't, so if Lorgar was sure I doubt the Chaos gods thought he would fall.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think it was Erebus who thought Sanguinius would fall. Lorgar was pretty sure he wouldn't, so if Lorgar was sure I doubt the Chaos gods thought he would fall.

In Fear to Tread the Slaanesh greater daemon made it clear that the original plan for Signus Prime was to corrupt Sanguinius, so at least some of the gods thought he could be turned. Horus changed the plan and ordered Ka'bandha to kill Sanguinius, claiming that trying to turn him was just a waste of time. Erebus and I think one other person thought he might have been just trying to secure his own position more than anything.

Corax, he cares more about helping people than anything that could lead them to fall to chaos. Corax was also the only Primarch who hated Horus with a passion. This was due to Horus trying to take control of his legion and the assault on gate 42, where Horus and Perturabo used the Raven Guard as cannon fodder.

 Orblivion wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think it was Erebus who thought Sanguinius would fall. Lorgar was pretty sure he wouldn't, so if Lorgar was sure I doubt the Chaos gods thought he would fall.

In Fear to Tread the Slaanesh greater daemon made it clear that the original plan for Signus Prime was to corrupt Sanguinius, so at least some of the gods thought he could be turned. Horus changed the plan and ordered Ka'bandha to kill Sanguinius, claiming that trying to turn him was just a waste of time. Erebus and I think one other person thought he might have been just trying to secure his own position more than anything.

Ah okay yeah. But Lorgar knew it wasn't going to work anyway, he says about it in Betrayer.

Rogal Dorn, he places his trust in the Emperor above all else, and he even smashed his sword failing to protect the Emperor. This makes him have the most willpower against chaos.

@ImaGeek

Its rather easy in life to say things like that after the event. Its not very honest from Lorgar I would say The boy doesn't see further than his nose and even then...

I would say that only Ferrus Manus, Sanguinous and Vulkan had truly character. They were the only ones with at least a shred of humanity and rationality in them. Their loyalty to the Emperor was not only due to their bloodbond and they were the only ones who had a very clear plan for themselves and their Legion. Russ and Dorn were to blind to their own faults to be difficult to corrupt.

It was before, or while it was going on at least. And from the sounds of it he'd warned Erebus before not to waste his time with it.

Lion El'Johnson. His loyalty to the Emperor is absolute, he lacks true ambition, and there is nothing he truly desires beyond service to the Emperor.

Sanguinius also ranks there, but I'm not sure due to the Red Thirst.

I don't believe any of them were completely incorruptible, but if I had to say least corruptible I would have to say Vulkan or Corax.

3 Lion El Johnson pawns, attempting to cover up the truth.

 Wulfmar wrote:
Here's a spanner to throw into your noggin-works.

What if the lest corruptible was Horus?
What if the Chaos Gods recognised that Horus was the least corruptible and most capable of holding the Imperium together and so they 'went for the head' expecting the rest of the body to fall? After all, Horus was the favoured son most like his Father the Emperor.


Thinking about it... Put each Primarch in Horus' position before they knew about the effects of chaos - would any of them done any better? They're all deeply flawed.




Just as planned...

What? Sanguinius is the most like the Emperor in every way, aside from the wings. He's go the Emperor's looks, close combat prowess, foresight, etc.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Here's a spanner to throw into your noggin-works.

What if the lest corruptible was Horus?
What if the Chaos Gods recognised that Horus was the least corruptible and most capable of holding the Imperium together and so they 'went for the head' expecting the rest of the body to fall? After all, Horus was the favoured son most like his Father the Emperor.


Thinking about it... Put each Primarch in Horus' position before they knew about the effects of chaos - would any of them done any better? They're all deeply flawed.




Just as planned...

What? Sanguinius is the most like the Emperor in every way, aside from the wings. He's go the Emperor's looks, close combat prowess, foresight, etc.

His point still stands though, Horus was the favored son. That is, mostly, the basis for why I don't think any of them are incorruptible.

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Lion El. If not the least, I think he would be one of the least susceptible to Chaos.



Ambition =\= immediate fall to Chaos. Besides, Guilliman had just as much ambition as Lion El

 Orblivion wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Here's a spanner to throw into your noggin-works.

What if the lest corruptible was Horus?
What if the Chaos Gods recognised that Horus was the least corruptible and most capable of holding the Imperium together and so they 'went for the head' expecting the rest of the body to fall? After all, Horus was the favoured son most like his Father the Emperor.


Thinking about it... Put each Primarch in Horus' position before they knew about the effects of chaos - would any of them done any better? They're all deeply flawed.




Just as planned...

What? Sanguinius is the most like the Emperor in every way, aside from the wings. He's go the Emperor's looks, close combat prowess, foresight, etc.

His point still stands though, Horus was the favored son. That is, mostly, the basis for why I don't think any of them are incorruptible.

Oh, yeah, NOBODY is incorruptable. You get the right people/daemons in the right place for the right amount of time, and just about anybody would fall to Chaos. The biggest issue that I have with the Horus Heresy is that when the Chaos Gods (who are supposedly tens of millions of years old) somehow went about it in a completely idiotic manner. I mean, seriously, all that they would have to do is get people like Erebus and the Slaaneshi Daemon in Fulgrim with all of the Primarchs. Then, what you have to do is have a few of them die in battle, and a few of them revealed as traitors and executed; allowing for the roughly half-and-half result on the Legions.


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As far as incorruptibility in Primarchs, I'd rank it:
1.) Sanguinius
2.) Rogal Dorn
3.) Omegon
4.) Fulgrim
5.) Leman Russ

 dusara217 wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Here's a spanner to throw into your noggin-works.

What if the lest corruptible was Horus?
What if the Chaos Gods recognised that Horus was the least corruptible and most capable of holding the Imperium together and so they 'went for the head' expecting the rest of the body to fall? After all, Horus was the favoured son most like his Father the Emperor.


Thinking about it... Put each Primarch in Horus' position before they knew about the effects of chaos - would any of them done any better? They're all deeply flawed.




Just as planned...

What? Sanguinius is the most like the Emperor in every way, aside from the wings. He's go the Emperor's looks, close combat prowess, foresight, etc.

His point still stands though, Horus was the favored son. That is, mostly, the basis for why I don't think any of them are incorruptible.

Oh, yeah, NOBODY is incorruptable. You get the right people/daemons in the right place for the right amount of time, and just about anybody would fall to Chaos. The biggest issue that I have with the Horus Heresy is that when the Chaos Gods (who are supposedly tens of millions of years old) somehow went about it in a completely idiotic manner. I mean, seriously, all that they would have to do is get people like Erebus and the Slaaneshi Daemon in Fulgrim with all of the Primarchs. Then, what you have to do is have a few of them die in battle, and a few of them revealed as traitors and executed; allowing for the roughly half-and-half result on the Legions.


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As far as incorruptibility in Primarchs, I'd rank it:
1.) Sanguinius
2.) Rogal Dorn
3.) Omegon
4.) Fulgrim
5.) Leman Russ

But the Chaos Gods didn't want to destroy the Imperium, just shake things up.

Second, wasn't Sanguinius the next favorite for Chaos Primarch?

 jreilly89 wrote:
But the Chaos Gods didn't want to destroy the Imperium, just shake things up.

Second, wasn't Sanguinius the next favorite for Chaos Primarch?

See my posts above

 jreilly89 wrote:
Lion El. If not the least, I think he would be one of the least susceptible to Chaos.


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 dusara217 wrote:

 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Lion El'Johnson. His loyalty to the Emperor is absolute, he lacks true ambition, and there is nothing he truly desires beyond service to the Emperor.

Sanguinius also ranks there, but I'm not sure due to the Red Thirst.

Are you fething slowed? *deep breaths* *deep breaths*

By the end of Fallen Angels, the Lion was already jockeying for position; he wanted to be Warmaster. The Lion wanted with a desperate want of wantness to be Warmaster, and he clearly thought that he was better than his brothers. While nobody can question his loyalty to the Emperor, the Lion's ambition is powerful and pulsating; much like a human heart.

Ambition =\= immediate fall to Chaos. Besides, Guilliman had just as much ambition as Lion El

As i recall, you said, and I may be wrong here,"he lacks true ambition, and there is nothing he truly desires beyond service to the Emperor". In case you think I'm lying, the quote is right above this text. In case you think I changed the text, check your original post.


Also, ambition does not mean immediate fall to Chaos, but it IS a good foothold for corruption; a foot in the door if you will.

 dusara217 wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Lion El. If not the least, I think he would be one of the least susceptible to Chaos.


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 dusara217 wrote:

 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Lion El'Johnson. His loyalty to the Emperor is absolute, he lacks true ambition, and there is nothing he truly desires beyond service to the Emperor.

Sanguinius also ranks there, but I'm not sure due to the Red Thirst.

Are you fething slowed? *deep breaths* *deep breaths*

By the end of Fallen Angels, the Lion was already jockeying for position; he wanted to be Warmaster. The Lion wanted with a desperate want of wantness to be Warmaster, and he clearly thought that he was better than his brothers. While nobody can question his loyalty to the Emperor, the Lion's ambition is powerful and pulsating; much like a human heart.

Ambition =\= immediate fall to Chaos. Besides, Guilliman had just as much ambition as Lion El

As i recall, you said, and I may be wrong here,"he lacks true ambition, and there is nothing he truly desires beyond service to the Emperor". In case you think I'm lying, the quote is right above this text. In case you think I changed the text, check your original post.


Also, ambition does not mean immediate fall to Chaos, but it IS a good foothold for corruption; a foot in the door if you will.

Uh, wrong guy...

Don't get me wrong, I agree about the foothold, but Lion El was not the only one with Ambition or Pride

 dusara217 wrote:

 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Lion El'Johnson. His loyalty to the Emperor is absolute, he lacks true ambition, and there is nothing he truly desires beyond service to the Emperor.

Sanguinius also ranks there, but I'm not sure due to the Red Thirst.

Are you fething slowed? *deep breaths* *deep breaths*

By the end of Fallen Angels, the Lion was already jockeying for position; he wanted to be Warmaster. The Lion wanted with a desperate want of wantness to be Warmaster, and he clearly thought that he was better than his brothers. While nobody can question his loyalty to the Emperor, the Lion's ambition is powerful and pulsating; much like a human heart.

Actually, that information is taken from "The Primarch's", where a Great Demon of Tzeentch has nothing to offer Lion, and makes reference to his ambition being limited (Warmaster), rather then some of the other Primarchs who's goal was power for the sake of power. Lion was quite content to serve under the Emperor, and did not feel the need to constantly expand his power (hence 'true ambition').

Hope that clears it up.