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I'm doing a slight bit of change to the terminator librarian with staff model. I like the model, but I want an axe on it. Going through bits, I have another librarian I haven't assembled with an axe, but it'd be a little difficult since I can't just swap arms (different sized shoulders) and I'd have to work around the cables going to the weapon.

I also came across spare halberds of caliban that deathwing champions get, and it's the exact same size as the staff. If I cut the head off the staff and the halberd and swap them, would that be an acceptable "counts as axe"? I can even cut the point off the halberd if people don't like that. I just thought it'd be kind of fluffy since the halberd head matches the "dark angels look".

So should I just do the halberd swap, or would opponents prefer I do the whole axe arm swap?


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Sounds good enough. Just tell people it's Force Axe before hand to make it absolutely clear.

i'm not hot on 7th ed, but in 6th a halberd was counted as an axe.


yeah, BRB: p61 third paragraph, fourth line; "... if it's an axe or halberd, it's a power axe;..."

I don't see any problem with it even if you don't cut the top. I would do only the halberd swap. would look cooler/unique than more simpler the arm swap.

If you want to be sure there is no issue with people you don't know just make it clear that your librarian has force axe.

Halberds are axes, just polearm size axes. The confusion most people have are Grey Knight Nemesis Force Halberds, which are technically Glaives, not Halberds. But whatever. Suffice it to say, yes, a Halberd is an Axe in 40k (unless special rules say otherwise).

SJ

Consistency. If that weapon is a counts-as force axe all the time then it's fine; if you claim it's a force axe on one model and a Halberd of Caliban or a thunderhammer or something on another model you're in trouble.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Consistency. If that weapon is a counts-as force axe all the time then it's fine; if you claim it's a force axe on one model and a Halberd of Caliban or a thunderhammer or something on another model you're in trouble.

And if he does use Halberds he could just trim down the staff part and/or cut off the spike to make it more visually distinct.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Consistency. If that weapon is a counts-as force axe all the time then it's fine; if you claim it's a force axe on one model and a Halberd of Caliban or a thunderhammer or something on another model you're in trouble.

And if he does use Halberds he could just trim down the staff part and/or cut off the spike to make it more visually distinct.

I don't have a deathwing champion right now (the only model that can take the halberd), but I might take the tip off the librarians halberd just in case I run a champion down the road.

And to be fair, IIRC the only difference rules wise is that the halberd hits at initiative (no, I wouldn't try to say my librarian can also do that).


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Can I safely assume that people will recognize this as an axe now? I might try to putty some stuff on, I was thinking a collar of sorts around the head and a counterweight at the base, but this is essentially what it'll look like.

any opponent who would quibble about this isn't an opponent you want to be playing against in the first place

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any opponent who would quibble about this isn't an opponent you want to be playing against in the first place

An opponent that would quibble about this is an opponent that has no clue what an Axe is, let alone a Halberd.

SJ

Seems just fine. The terminator librarian from Space Hulk has a double-headed force axe the size of a halberd. People are way too hung up on being strict in 40k in the last few years, it's seriously stifling all the creativity.

Page 178 says explicitly that halbreds are axes.

And in the future, so long as your army list is printed and you point it out to your opponent before the game, it's find. Also rule-of-cool: if it looks awesome then it should pass.