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So I was tinkering with this list, trying to get an effective non marked csm list. I was wondering what the good people of Dakka thought?

Warpsmith w/ Burning Brand

2 squads of CSM w/ 2x flamers and rhino each. Aspiring champs have lighting claw

2 chaos vindicators with siege shields and demonic possession

Chaos Predator w/ twin linked Lascannon and lascannon sponsons

Chosen w/ 4 plasma guns and rhino

3 hellbrutes/ with multi-melta, power fist and heavy flamer in murderpack formation (IWND and deepstrike)

How do you think this list will hold up? There are almost no flyers in my local Meta so I never really have to worry about them.

I've used the Mayhem Pack before at 1,500 (The 3x Helbrutes) and found that having 20% of your army showing up late by default is really inefficient. You have to ask yourself - What does you more good...having 3 Helbrutes that possibly won't show up until T5? Or 2 Maulerfiends and 10 Cultists from the start of the game.

If I were you, I'd swap out the Flamers on the Chaos Marines for the Plasma Guns you are currently running with the Chosen, and just don't run the Chosen as a unit. Use the extra Chosen as Aspiring Champions for your CSM squads because Lightning Claws suck in that application.

If you want to take 3 Helbrutes, just take 3 Helbrutes and forget the Mayhem Pack, at least at 1,500 points.


As for your HQ, I get that you want to use the Warpsmith to repair your vehicles, but he needs a bodyguard or he's going to get Roflstomped. Maybe take the points you threw into Chosen and buy him a Cultist bodyguard? Also, the Burning Brand is a lot better on a model with a bike and he can't ride one so...probably want to drop that IMO.

What do you mean by using Chosen as CSM?

The Warpsmith was gonna ride with the chosen originally.

I would take Maulerfiends in a second but all my heavy slots are taken up by the vindicators and predator. Is there another unit you would recommend for tank busting?

I agree with you on the Burning Brand, I just didnt know what to give the warpsmith.

There is a formation in the new Siege of Vraks book that lets you have up to 4 heavy supports, with 1 HQ and 2 Elites being mandatory, it has some special rules that could fit an Iron Warrior theme pretty well.

^Thanks for the tip. Im gonna look into it

I would drop the Burning Brand on the Warpsmith and the Helbrutes, run this as Crimson Slaughter, throw in a Forgefined (w/1 Ectoplasma Launcher), and give the chosen The Ravagers rule for 10 pts to give them preferred enemy

Abzapp wrote:
What do you mean by using Chosen as CSM?

The Warpsmith was gonna ride with the chosen originally.

I would take Maulerfiends in a second but all my heavy slots are taken up by the vindicators and predator. Is there another unit you would recommend for tank busting?

I agree with you on the Burning Brand, I just didnt know what to give the warpsmith.

The Burning Brand is an excellent option, when you think about it. He's always going to have 4 attacks base at minimum thanks to those tendril things, so a hand taking up a range weapon is an excellent idea.


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GrafWattenburg wrote:
There is a formation in the new Siege of Vraks book that lets you have up to 4 heavy supports, with 1 HQ and 2 Elites being mandatory, it has some special rules that could fit an Iron Warrior theme pretty well.

I plan to research into this as well. Plus you'd be able to have up to four Sicarans or Vindicators, and that's just cool.

Take 4 sicarans.