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Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

Sorry your upset that the tournament organizers are focusing on making sure that the top priority is making sure the tournament is actually well run and not getting some person on the internet a army list, providing video to the event , and constantly updating you with information as to every nuance that happens.

Check your privilege.

Afaik the twitch stream isn't live yet. Round 7 is at 10am pst.

Also the tournament is going very well. The last thing someone organizing a tournamnet should care about is people sitting at home and worry more about the people who are there and paid to be there.

Last year he posted the final lists and standings when they had time after it was over. No one at home in entitled to instant status updates or free live feeds. It's kinda absurd to call the tournament a cluster fak because you feel the need for someone there to hand feed you instant updates. the idea of people acting like they are entitled to free handouts annoys me.

Also according to the last podcast they are using i house software to make easier uploads for the ITC format. It was taking them a lot of time to calculate results from the various events and put them into the ITC rankings.

 DarkLink wrote:
I had a librarian, 2 5 man terminator squads, 3 dreadknights, and 2 imperial knights. Fun list, but it needs a fire raptor. Can't kill FMCs. I figured going in I couldn't make top 8, but I got about as close as possible without running SM allies instead.

Yeah raptor is good but how are you sqeesing it in ? Drop a dreadknight ?

Hollismason wrote:
Sorry your upset that the tournament organizers are focusing on making sure that the top priority is making sure the tournament is actually well run and not getting some person on the internet a army list, providing video to the event , and constantly updating you with information as to every nuance that happens.

Check your privilege.

I thought I clicked a dakka link, but clearly I'm on a tumblr blog. Holy gak.

As far as it goes all tournaments get this criticism and the fine gents running lvo made it clear all this information was going to be available. Instead people are having to dig for it.

As someone who judges and helps with multiple gets am I allowed to comment or is my privilege going to get in the way?

maaksel wrote:
Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

wow what a rant

Looking from outside in, everything seems fine. All people in the GT who have posted on different forum seems to report that they enjoy themeselves and that the GT is running smooth.

That they use a another program that torrent should be a none-issue. And i'm shure we will get reports and lists later.

gungo wrote:
Afaik the twitch stream isn't live yet. Round 7 is at 10am pst.

Also the tournament is going very well. The last thing someone organizing a tournamnet should care about is people sitting at home and worry more about the people who are there and paid to be there.

Last year he posted the final lists and standings when they had time after it was over. No one at home in entitled to instant status updates or free live feeds. It's kinda absurd to call the tournament a cluster fak because you feel the need for someone there to hand feed you instant updates. the idea of people acting like they are entitled to free handouts annoys me.

So other large GT's do this. It's not hard. It really isn't. Focusing on the idea that "when they had time after it was over", just speaks more volumes about how unprepared they truly are. Could have literally had a volunteer doing this for them, with a software that was of no cost to them. People do these things for fun, and to help out. It wasn't taken advantage of, because once again, someone wanted to be the king of their sand castle.

Stop making excuses for them. It was poorly planned and executed from the start, with an hour delay due to pairings.

maaksel wrote:
Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

holy crow dude, check your privilaged-ass at the door. They don't owe you anything or have any obligation to you or any of us, we aren't supporting them in any way shape or form. Their obligation is to those local who traveled and payed to be there. You sitting in your recliner looking at a monitor isn't paying anything so deserves nothing.

SGnewton wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Sorry your upset that the tournament organizers are focusing on making sure that the top priority is making sure the tournament is actually well run and not getting some person on the internet a army list, providing video to the event , and constantly updating you with information as to every nuance that happens.

Check your privilege.

I thought I clicked a dakka link, but clearly I'm on a tumblr blog. Holy gak.

As far as it goes all tournaments get this criticism and the fine gents running lvo made it clear all this information was going to be available. Instead people are having to dig for it.

As someone who judges and helps with multiple gets am I allowed to comment or is my privilege going to get in the way?

I'm obviously the only person that wanted this information as well. Not to mention the hand created lists being passed out with scores that are actually sortable in a logical way. I must have some nerve wanting information that was promised to be done live and online. Such a jerk.


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AHAHAHAHHAA. So because you helped players who actually went to the event playtest their list against you they owe you something?? And because you purchased a frontline product that means you are owed anything else besides that product itself??? Seriously you must be a sheltered kid to think either of those translates to any obligation they have to you or anyone else not actually present at the event. This isn't any "white knight" behavior, just a casual observer who is pointing out your hypocrisy.

If these things are so easy to do why don't you spend the time and money to fly down yourself and work for free doing all this stuff you are demanding? Probably because most people have jobs and obligations, and those who have payed/traveled to be there do so to compete, not volunteer their time and money to satiate a bunch of demanding donkey-caves on the internet for free.

I have bought two frontline gaming mats and play against other tournament players who went there. Therefore, I expect my carrier pigeon with up to date info any moment now.

Ok probably time to reign this thread back into actual LVO updates, not "what I think should have happened at the LVO"

Maaksel, I understand your desire to see more of the event next time. Might I suggest actually going next year if you feel this way? I myself was unable to attend this year and would have enjoyed more updates, but this is a new thing for the Frontline crew (and relatively new for 40k in general, even though it has been pioneered by some).

Everyone else, perhaps we can understand some of where he is coming from instead of ripping apart the destination he has arrived at? Round seven is about to start and I have some Lictors to root for


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 Iechine wrote:
I have bought two frontline gaming mats and play against other tournament players who went there. Therefore, I expect my carrier pigeon with up to date info any moment now.

Oh sweet baby Jesus. If I knew it came with a carrier pigeon, I would have bought at least four by now. Waiting for the bio alien theme though...


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Also FYI the stream just sent out a live notification

Reecius posted like 15 minutes ago on his website he will be posting the army lists. The championship rounds hasn't even started yet.

Frontline gaming promised NOTHING but a live feed of the championship round and to eventually post the army lists.

You ranting about how you expect army lists to be publicly posted already and how poorly run the tournament is already proven to be baseless and wrong.

loar wrote:

maaksel wrote:
Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

holy crow dude, check your privilaged-ass at the door. They don't owe you anything or have any obligation to you or any of us, we aren't supporting them in any way shape or form. Their obligation is to those local who traveled and payed to be there. You sitting in your recliner looking at a monitor isn't paying anything so deserves nothing.

Jesus so we cannot be upset because the information that was touted by the organizers to be made available isn't. When something is promised and not delivered people get frustrated. At this point though having a discussion about an event I feel like I would have a better discussion at: http://checkprivilege.tumblr.com

I would like more info in real time. It's a "brand", sell it. Make me want it.

NOVA has no issue with real time coverage for us "nobodies" at home. I personally enjoy the coverage and hold it in very high regard.

I've monitored game matchups and scores in real time of buddies without having to text and bug the crap out of them.

As I posted earlier in this thread. The external interest in these events is under appreciated. I consider that a shame regardless of the dismissive attitude that those that think otherwise have/exhibit. They can bring in some hired guns to come in and handle public relations and generally be the talking head. Not everybody needs to be a judge to run an event.

Do you really think the TOs of these national GTs really have no vested interest in the "fans". Whats the point of a competitive event without fans/exposer? It may take some time, but that element will get figured out. Heck, theres jobs in Hollywood based on internet following. Think major sponsors. Even competive hotdog eating draws a crowd.


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The live feed is on now BTW.

I have to say the livestream on twitch.tv is great. 40K is moving forward. Good to see.

I really like the dice box cam.

Starting to stream tournaments actively could actually turn out to be a real way to grow this hobby. Thousands and thousands of gamers watch cs:go, sc2, dota, lol and other games on twitch every day, and exposure like this for 40K is great.

It's good to see incontrol casting. I've watched his sc2 stream for years.

very frustrating that they're only streaming in max quality, which some of us aren't able to stream smoothly-_-

 Therion wrote:
Starting to stream tournaments actively could actually turn out to be a real way to grow this hobby. Thousands and thousands of gamers watch cs:go, sc2, dota, lol and other games on twitch every day, and exposure like this for 40K is great.

It's good to see incontrol casting. I've watched his sc2 stream for years.

Its been done for awhile now, the issue was the LVO hasn't been doing it until today.

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

Gee thanks Luke!

All kidding aside, good fortune and good luck to Nick and Sean, proof that nice guys don't always finish last!


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Also, I love that Dark Angels and Eldar have the same win rate. From the games I played and what I saw on other tables, everyone had their three favorite solutions to kill wave serpents lined up. I think that the meta is extremely well prepared to kill a lot of serpents quickly.

Aaron Albert is playing cent-star with GK (3 dk, draigo, 2 SS). Loth, scouts and cents for sm.

what was the Dark Angels player playing?

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

Thanks man


minus first round pairings being late, the event as a whole went pretty smooth, remember 256 people showed up for this event.

Also the Internet in the hall sucks donkey balls, it was pretty hard trying to post on dakka during the event yesterday.

I've stayed out of the bitch fest so far, despite a lot more personal and professional interest than most.

But I have to say "random" pairing the finals is absolutely absurd. You have seeds for players, use them! Instead, you have the two guys that flew 2,000 miles out there looking to knock each other out in the first round. There is a reason every legitimate tournament seeds their elimination rounds, why does this not translate?

Just, ugh.

As a participant, I can say that I absolutely loved the event and had a great time. Sorry if it hasn't been a great spectator event for those at home!

I'm at work right now and cant stream twitch, but whats are the pairings?

Nick "brown" Nanavati -Chaos Demons Inquisition

Nick "Darkwyn" Rose -Space Marines Blood Angels

Tyler "Moose" DeVries -Eldar None

Vicente arroyo -Chaos Space Marines Chaos Demons

Steve Sisk-Space Marines Imperial Knights

Sean Nayden-Tyrainds Tyrainds

Aaron "CaptainA" Albert-Grey Knights Space Marines

geoff "easysauce" Thompson-Space Wolves Astra Militarum

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok probably time to reign this thread back into actual LVO updates

Mod note: Yes, please... thanks all

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From elsewhere, but related:

 jy2 wrote:
Had some tough matches, especially against 2 fellow Tyranid players, including Mr. Lictorshame himself, Sean Nayden, and John Parsons aka krootman.

I'd love to hear how these games went, if krootman is still posting / has Dakka access there!

Good to see "Mr. Lictorshame" is still in it, at least

 Verthane wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

Gee thanks Luke!

All kidding aside, good fortune and good luck to Nick and Sean, proof that nice guys don't always finish last!


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Also, I love that Dark Angels and Eldar have the same win rate. From the games I played and what I saw on other tables, everyone had their three favorite solutions to kill wave serpents lined up. I think that the meta is extremely well prepared to kill a lot of serpents quickly.

Haha I should have clarified - out of the players in the top 8