Where did the Minotaurs chapter come from and why are they so powerful?

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**Veteran Sergeant**

Mind you, I don't think Mk IV is awful. I just don't get why it's so popular. But my main problem with it comes from the fact that it has exposed cabling, and the armor plate overlaps the beltline, meaning the Marine can't bend over, nor rotate at the waist, lol.

**Darth Bob**

Eh, they only have a passing similarity to my eye. To each their own, I suppose.

**EngulfedObject**

Uh... I actually thought the helmets looked pretty badass before but.... can't... unsee.

**Gashrog**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But my main problem with it comes from the fact that it has exposed cabling, and the armor plate overlaps the beltline, meaning the Marine can't bend over, nor rotate at the waist, lol.

Don't forget Forge World's moronic addition of extending the vambrace beyond the wrist so the marine can't bend his hand back.. even on the bikers! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/outrider2.jpg

**Darth Bob**

Gashrog wrote:

Don't forget Forge World's moronic addition of extending the vambrace beyond the wrist so the marine can't bend his hand back.. even on the bikers! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/outrider2.jpg

For what it's worth, I do a lot of work on cosplays including helping friends do armor stuff. I've had friends with armor that has similar vambraces and they can bend their wrists just fine.

**Wyzilla**

Also, speaking on the designs of power armor, I prefer the GW version of MK II compared to the Forge World version. The Forge World design of the legs just looks really silly, and reminds me of scale armor (which is terrible). The GW version looks a lot better.

**EmpNortonII**

MajorStoffer wrote:
They're a case of, most likely, traitor gene stock which was initially unstable, but following some "reconstruction" they're now the High Lords attack dogs, and whose equipment is a combination of priority access to Martian industrial capacity, but also the spoils of those chapters they have destroyed. The Contemptors in particular are alluded to being traitors or other "undesirable" marines entombed within the dreadnought hull and have become very unstable, with the Minos using them more as shock weapons than the usual revered ancestor and preserver of legacy.

I view them as more a case of what the Imperium is capable of producing, should the highest authorities have an interest in it, in this case a chapter which fights far more like the legions of old; direct, uncompromising violence enacted with some of the finest technology in the universe. The "mystery" is pretty straightforwards at the end of the day, and, what I like it it's not "Deus Ex Machina" like the Sanguinor or the other tendencies of the snowflake chapters.

... of course, if you compare their record to certain other Chapters, you see that their record is largely a matter of recovering quickly from attrition, rather than actually being good at killing things.

They bled themselves dry during the Badab War, when certain other Chapters were able to destroy their opponents without suffering crippling casualties.

**locarno24**

Which is also not surprising, when you think about it - they know they can replace losses faster than the opponent, and they have the high lords, rather than an astartes commander, providing overall strategic direction.

Attrition tactics are 'easy' when you you know you can sustain them.

**brendan**

It has been mentioned I believe, but the disgusting, wretched Minotaurs are well equipped in large part due to their taking spoils of war from their brethren. Awesome theory regarding their dreadnoughts though. I also really dig the notion of them being World Eaters stock.

**Formosa**

World eaters does not mean psychopathic bezerkers, its the nails that did that to them, if anything the world eaters gene seed enhances brotherhood, not aggression