Rick Priestley on GW's current position

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**Kelly502**

I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

**Herzlos**

Azreal13 wrote:
But why on earth are you creating "armies" if you're a collector? Armies is a gaming concept, it has no place in the future you're espousing.

Because a themed army looks much better in a display than a few random units. I'm putting together some armies I'll probably never game with (I'll base and organize them so that I can use in game though), because I think an array of 200 Spartans will look so much better than a unit of 24.

**Kirasu**

Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

Should probably look up "defamation". You don't need to work for gw to see the direction they are going. We are all just troublesome gamers, best to replace us with collectors that never complain

**Herzlos**

insaniak wrote:
DrRansom wrote:
I really wonder if a better GW ruleset would really grow the game, holding all other things (prices and price of army) equal.

All of the people who quite playing because they disliked the mess that we were handed with 6th and 7th edition would say that yes, it most certainly would.

Here's the thing - A poorly-written ruleset sells fine to those who don't much care about how functional the rules are, and not so well to those who want a decent ruleset.

A well-written ruleset sells just as well to those who don't much care about how functional the rules are... but also sells to that second group.

What it comes down to in the end is whether the extra sales to that second group would be significant enough to balance out the extra expense of crafting a better ruleset.

GW are the only ones in a position to answer that question with any degree of certainty... but that answer would rely on market research which they quite proudly tell the world they don't do.

Very much this; a good ruleset doesn't hurt anyone (except from the people who associate balance/clarity with WAAC), whilst a bad ruleset hurts those that value the rules. For instance I'd love to play 40K more and get back into WHF, but I just can't face the constant rules checking and guesswork. My local gaming group has moved towards FoW for it's serious gaming and I'm finding that much better to play, so my FoW collection is growing and getting use whilst my 40K is rotting in the back of a cupboard somewhere.

Kelly502 wrote:
Ok, I didn't realize RP doesn't work for the company any longer. So my woe is gone, I really did feel bad, it didn't make sense to me that he could speak about the company he works for with out repercussions. So anyway, moving on... This is just more GAK from a has been!!!

He's doing pretty well for himself now; he's been writing some pretty popular games, and seems to have a fairly regular guest spot in some of the magazines (WS&S?).

I don't see how he's devaluing the GW hobby either; he's not said anything we haven't already suspected. And as said he's not totally biased - apparently he still owns stock and his wife works for them, as well as many of his friends (though i suspect most of them have left as well by now).

**Kelly502**

Well, I'm not current in the politics so it's best I bow out. I enjoy the current edition it sure beats HeroHammer, and the figures and models are the best they have ever produced. The figures are just fine for war gaming, if he prefers itty bitty lead figures vs. the current Blood Angle model then that's what he prefers for war gaming. I like my giant tanks, my big BA figures etc etc...Everyone is entitled to opinions. Also I see the word suspected a lot here, so again nothing really factual.

**Pacific**

Kelly502 wrote:
Ok, I didn't realize RP doesn't work for the company any longer. So my woe is gone, I really did feel bad, it didn't make sense to me that he could speak about the company he works for with out repercussions. So anyway, moving on... This is just more GAK from a has been!!!

I actually find it upsetting that someone could write something like this, I can only assume you're not aware of Rick Priestly's importance to the history of GW and 40K.

The man is the first name you read in Rogue Trader, he was a big part of the creation of Space Marines, of Orks, Eldar, 'The Imperium' and everything else that you hold so dear about the game you play. Without him, the game of 40k we know it wouldn't exist, so in other words you should have some bloody respect!

He left GW as he was no longer left with anything to create and design, which one can hardly blame him considering the circumstances, and it relates to his comment of the types of design people now working for the company; They are no longer 'creating', the 'Games Workshop' element of the company has been dead for a decade, instead it's a regurgitation of the work that has come before, of re-writes and copy-pastes, and the occasional bit of shoe-horning in a new character or unit to sell a new plastic kit. I don't think you to read it from Rick to see that it is the case as it's plainly obvious to anyone who has watched this transformation over the past twenty years.

**Kosake**

Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

And why is that please? If something is going so very wrong in your company that you leave because of it, you are damn well allowed to say why you did so. That's got nothing to do with being unprofessional. It's one thing if you got fired for lazyness and calling your ex-boss a slavedriving jerk or whatever but it's a different story if you left your company after a damn long time because you were not behind the descisions of the new management.

**monders**

Eggs wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
I'm not overly familiar with FFG but rules writing wise what are they like?

I've found them to be pretty tight. They aren't perfect, but they are rules writers first and foremost, who have found themselves with a massive hit minatures game.

Tokens. Tokens as far as the eye can see... Then there's the cards. Sooooo many cards.

Saying that, they produce some frankly beautiful stuff and everything feels top quality.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Kosake wrote:
Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

And why is that please? If something is going so very wrong in your company that you leave because of it, you are damn well allowed to say why you did so. That's got nothing to do with being unprofessional. It's one thing if you got fired for lazyness and calling your ex-boss a slavedriving jerk or whatever but it's a different story if you left your company after a damn long time because you were not behind the descisions of the new management.

Do we know exactly why he left? That would allow us to know what combination of sour grapes or righteous anger drives his statements.

What would be really impressive from such a man, lauded as he is on this thread, would be to launch independent rules for a futuristic space battle game, including stats and points for various factions, including genetically-enhanced humans, green football hooligans, space elves and vicious xenomorphs.

One way to show things can be done better, is to do it. I'd certainly try out a new rulebook - and I do think the LOTR ruleset is superior to the current 40k. (Not at all sure that 5th was all that great though, nostalgia tends to vary according to what faction you play)

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Isn't that basically Mantic Games' Warpath?

**Korinov**

Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

It's his opinion, and I can't see how it's "defaming" in the slightest.

Are you that intolerant to criticism aimed at what you like?

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Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
What would be really impressive from such a man, lauded as he is on this thread, would be to launch independent rules for a futuristic space battle game, including stats and points for various factions, including genetically-enhanced humans, green football hooligans, space elves and vicious xenomorphs.

One way to show things can be done better, is to do it. I'd certainly try out a new rulebook - and I do think the LOTR ruleset is superior to the current 40k. (Not at all sure that 5th was all that great though, nostalgia tends to vary according to what faction you play)

Gates of Antares.

**weeble1000**

monders wrote:
Eggs wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
I'm not overly familiar with FFG but rules writing wise what are they like?

I've found them to be pretty tight. They aren't perfect, but they are rules writers first and foremost, who have found themselves with a massive hit minatures game.

Tokens. Tokens as far as the eye can see... Then there's the cards. Sooooo many cards.

Saying that, they produce some frankly beautiful stuff and everything feels top quality.

FFG has discovered a successful formula of selling customers lots of stuff. It's very much a little niche of theirs. When you buy a FFG product you get loads of stuff.

Without coming down one way or another on it, I think FFG has discovered that there is a good market for products that follow such a formula.

**PsychoticStorm**

I would wish I could say I am in disbelief hearing the gamers vs collectors debate but I her it so many decades I can't be surprised by it.

The so called "WAAC" crowd are ultimately right, you pay for the rules and you pay for the miniatures, ultimately its the companies responsibility to provide a well written balanced game they are not exploiting the fun for everybody else, they play the game, I would not expect somebody to not promote a pawn to a queen in chess because it would be powerful, I would expect from a company that demands my money to deliver a sound product, for whatever reasons players got criminalized instead of demanding from the company to deliver a sound product.

Something that even without the widespread use of the internet was done in second edition and the game that was at the end days of the edition had little to no resemblance to the game that started.

Now I feel, Rick Priestly, has quite a deep knowledge on how the company works, its his home made WW2 rules for 15mm you all play as 40k (notice the difference in scale) when the accounting department demanded a few months before 3rd edition publication to the studio to scrap their "2nd edition remastered" work they had done and make a game system that required twice as much models to play, its he who tried to fight (and fail) the accounting department who decided that the lords blister for warmaster should be cut because they do not sell as much as the regiment blisters (Do they even know what products they sell?) and ultimately he who decided to leave because he could not stand to be in a company were the design studio is really non existent and must obey the directions of the accounting department (working together I guess is an idea unheard of in GW).

Collectors will collect models I guess, not sure why they would play with them, definitely they will not do so in such large quantities that are demanded by a wargame (how many tactical marines can one build without feeling they are enough? worse termagaunts?) definitely not in the quantities GWs manufacturing infrastructure is set to manufacture and their infrastructure is set to sell, admitting they make models for collectors shows a gross misunderstanding of who they are and what they do and also to who they sell to.

**Pete Melvin**

Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

I can't believe that Rick, the man who essentially created the universe that you all love, has been denigrated at all in this thread!
Not only is he responsible for the creation of many of the core elements of 40k, he is also a thouroughly nice chap who always takes the time to talk to people at games shows and come to tournaments.
Boo. Boo on you.

**Vermis**

So in this topic we've got folk defending Alan Merrett's clangers; folk ripping into Rick Priestly (Rick Priestly) for repeating what was painfully apparent, in the context of why he lost his job; and folk claiming that the captain-morgan tonka-tank hobbit-guardsman giant-meatheads-clad-in-multicoloured-drainage-pipes-rolled-in-skullz-and-piloting-shoeboxes aesthetic is superior to all those other games that they never gave a second glance.

And people say GWombies aren't a thing.

**BeAfraid**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
GW did market research, and has adapted. You just don't like the direction that they are going, but GW is doing rational things - that much is obvious.

Rationality does nt necessarily mean Reasonable.

All that "rational" means is that they are following the rules dictated by a set of assumptions.

It does not mean that the assumptions themselves are correct.

MB

**weeble1000**

Pete Melvin wrote:
Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

I can't believe that Rick, the man who essentially created the universe that you all love, has been denigrated at all in this thread!
Not only is he responsible for the creation of many of the core elements of 40k, he is also a thouroughly nice chap who always takes the time to talk to people at games shows and come to tournaments.
Boo. Boo on you.

Can't exalt that enough. Rick is a terribly nice guy. One of the big turning points for me with respect to GW was when I spoke to Rick for the first time. My immediate reaction was that there must be something fundamentally wrong with GW if they managed to lose a guy like this.

I could have massively misjudged him, but I don't believe Rick Priestly is the kind of person to complain or have a cross word to say about someone. He's honestly a very nice person.

If I was in Rick's shoes, I have a hard time believing I wouldn't be pissed off and jaded. I'd probably have tons of cross words to say.

Rick Priestly is not my favorite game designer and I'm not a terribly huge fan of 40K (rules or fluff), but I respect Rick for his contributions to the industry and above all I respect him as a person.

**Mymearan**

Vermis wrote:
So in this topic we've got folk defending Alan Merrett's clangers; folk ripping into Rick Priestly (Rick Priestly) for repeating what was painfully apparent, in the context of why he lost his job; and folk claiming that the captain-morgan tonka-tank hobbit-guardsman giant-meatheads-clad-in-multicoloured-drainage-pipes-rolled-in-skullz-and-piloting-shoeboxes aesthetic is superior to all those other games that they never gave a second glance.

And people say GWombies aren't a thing.

They may be a thing, opinions apparently aren't, and wrong ones deserve to be mocked. Drop the attitude and name-calling.

**Rune Stonegrinder**

Vanguard-13 wrote:
Nice to read.

Sad about GWs position.

But that's why so many other games are gaining popularity.

Truth there for my area

Batman.....Massively fun even if Killer Croc keeps beating the crap out of me.
Infinity.....gaining more and more popularity by the week
Warmahordes just gained 5 new players

**Azreal13**

Pete Melvin wrote:
Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

I can't believe that Rick, the man who essentially created the universe that you all love, has been denigrated at all in this thread!
Not only is he responsible for the creation of many of the core elements of 40k, he is also a thouroughly nice chap who always takes the time to talk to people at games shows and come to tournaments.
Boo. Boo on you.

This.

But then again, referring to Games Workshop products as "a hobby" probably tells you all you need to know.

**TheAuldGrump**

weeble1000 wrote:
Rules sell models. They do. Rules sell models so well that many companies in this industry take a loss on their rules because the investment helps to sell more models.

When you are mass producing line troops, you aren't selling them to collectors. We know that GW's best selling products as of at least 2012 were troop choices. That's a fact. GW may be trying to transition away from that model, but that's the model that GW has found success with for decades.

North America is GW's biggest market now. North American buyers are gamers, or a huge proportion of them are. We have seen GW's revenue fall right along with declining tournament attendance in the US. Is that a massive years long coincidence? Anecdotally we know that GW sells well in areas where the game is being played on a regular basis in a thriving community. That's certainly true for other Wargame products as well.

We know that when the rules for a GW model are good, product sales are stronger. Ask anyone who owns a game store. You can also tell what is selling well by following the third party accessory market.

GW operates, or has operated, on a model very similar to the way most other table top miniatures game companies operate. At the end of the day, GW doesn't have a magic formula. GW isn't doing things fundamentally different from its competitors, and we know a whole lot about how GW's competitors operate. It is largely a matter of scale, maturity, and market penetration.

Games sell models. That's the formula. Talk to anyone that has a miniatures business. Why do you think Reaper developed Bones, or has a Savage Worlds miniatures license, or desperately wants to develop their own hot game systems. Why do you think GW designed Warhammer in the first place. GW was tired of selling Citadel miniatures for other peoples' games. There was more money to be had in developing their own game.

And finally, if GW was a collectible model business and not a tabe top games business, GW's product would be on the lower tier. Collectible model kits are generally cheaper and better than GW's offerings. GW doesn't sell to collectors.

GW sells to gamers. GW knows that. But in the short term, GW wants to maximize profit margin by selling splashy, limited availability models to old GAMERS who have become such fans of the company through playing the GAME for years that they are effectively collectors of GW products. That model has a limited lifespan, but the folks at GW don't really know what else to do. They know that a subset of their customers are very loyal and will buy high profit margin products. That's what they know. So the company is maximizing its attention on those customers because management isnt willing to invest the money or take the risks necessarry to find out what is going to help them bring in new customers.

Hell, I hate to admit it - but Kings of War has been helping to sell GW models in my area - we have a High Elf player that is using GW models for his Elf army, because he doesn't much like the Mantic Elves. (I like the Mantic Elves just fine, but use them as something different - the GW and Reaper elves form the basis for my own elven forces.)

He has been buying the starter sets for Warhammer, and tossing the rules.

Another is getting GW Orcs and Goblins....

GW sales are being spurred by another company's rules!

The Auld Grump

**Pacific**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Kosake wrote:
Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

And why is that please? If something is going so very wrong in your company that you leave because of it, you are damn well allowed to say why you did so. That's got nothing to do with being unprofessional. It's one thing if you got fired for lazyness and calling your ex-boss a slavedriving jerk or whatever but it's a different story if you left your company after a damn long time because you were not behind the descisions of the new management.

Do we know exactly why he left? That would allow us to know what combination of sour grapes or righteous anger drives his statements.

I heard that he had been promoted to a point that he essentially had very little work to do. After Warhammer historicals was closed, his creative input on projects was next to none, and so at that point he was moved on to new pastures where he could do what he wanted to do.

For what it's worth, from what I have heard I don't think think there was any bad blood, other than it being the end of an era and so important a person to the formation of that company leaving it. Like Ronnie Renton who went on to form Mantic (and was supposedly 'the most liked man in Lenton'), I think generally the creative types within all these companies get on well as there is still a limited circle of them based around Nottingham and they still know each other. Especially when so many of them came from GW initially, or even go back there.

It's at the 'corporate' level, of the company men and corporate schills (as well, funnily enough, the hardcore fans who look only at the company logo, and not the names behind it that actually created the thing) that there is any antagonism. Which, frankly I find very ugly considering what a small industry this is, and usually how personable and friendly it can be.

**melkorthetonedeaf**

monders wrote:
Eggs wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
I'm not overly familiar with FFG but rules writing wise what are they like?

I've found them to be pretty tight. They aren't perfect, but they are rules writers first and foremost, who have found themselves with a massive hit minatures game.

Tokens. Tokens as far as the eye can see... Then there's the cards. Sooooo many cards.

Saying that, they produce some frankly beautiful stuff and everything feels top quality.

They also tend to throw in wonky dice instead of standard d6s... Ugh. FFG write rulesets for the type if people who play wargames IMO; the type if person who will study a rulebook for days to play a two hour game. I can never get people to pull out and plop down most of their games due to the cards and tokens and various other pieces.

So basically perfect for Warhammer.

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What I mean is not an attack on a type if person, just to be clear. I mean that wargamers live to dissect a set of rules, and FFG packs boxes full of stuff to dissect.

**theHandofGork**

Kelly502 wrote:
Ok, I didn't realize RP doesn't work for the company any longer. So my woe is gone, I really did feel bad, it didn't make sense to me that he could speak about the company he works for with out repercussions. So anyway, moving on... This is just more GAK from a has been!!!

You dont know what you're talking about.

Other's have mentioned his still impressive ties both financially and personally to GW and many of it's employees.

As for being a "has been" - Mr. Priestley has probably produced more since leaving GW than he has in years. From writing Hail Ceaser, Black Powder, and Gates of Antares, to being on the dev team for Bolt Action, as well as the many supplements to these games, or being a board member and President of The Society of Ancients, he is hardly a "has been."

**Saldiven**

nkelsch wrote:
MWHistorian wrote:

The problem is:
GW thinks that's their customer base.
But I see adults spending way more over greater periods of time.
Again, if GW did market research, they'd know who was buying and why.

You can claim that adult collectors buy more transformers too... but for every adult collector buying out 3 waves of 6 transformers for 10 years, you have hundreds of kids buying single 20$ transformers maybe once or twice. Someone who spends 1000s of dollars assumes their voice is more important and they should be catered to because clearly their investment means they are the core market right?

I think gamers grossly overestimate their value to the GW market and the best thing GW could do is be like Hasbro... find out where their sales come from and show how insignificant the vocal minority really is. When GW has been making bad rules and wholesale discounting gamers for 20 years now and is still in business, sometimes people need to take the hint that they simply are not the core market and are not very important.

I'm just curious about this, though my comment is tangential to what I'm quoting.

In the USA, at least, how large is the child gaming purchase power at your local area?

At the LGSs in metro Atlanta 10 years ago, there were lots of kids (by kids, I mean high-school age or lower) that played 40K. Today, I don't see anywhere near as many. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a person of obvious teen-age years playing 40K at either of the LGS I go to. This is something I haven't really thought about until reading this thread.

How is it in your areas? Do you still see lots of school-age kids coming in and playing/buying 40K stuff?

**migooo**

Kelly502 wrote:
Ok, I didn't realize RP doesn't work for the company any longer. So my woe is gone, I really did feel bad, it didn't make sense to me that he could speak about the company he works for with out repercussions. So anyway, moving on... This is just more GAK from a has been!!!

You really wrote that?

As many have said He was one of the Original Creators of Warhammer... WOW, Just WOW.

I might not have liked what Gav Thorpe did to Warhammer and 40K in General but insulting him is just wrong. I don't see why you had to Insult that gentle-person.

**Wayniac**

Kelly502 wrote:
Ok, I didn't realize RP doesn't work for the company any longer. So my woe is gone, I really did feel bad, it didn't make sense to me that he could speak about the company he works for with out repercussions. So anyway, moving on... This is just more GAK from a has been!!!

OH NO YOU DIDN'T.

Seriously, this is Rick F'N Priestly. The father of Warhammer. A man once referred to in a White Dwarf as the real Emperor of Mankind. The fact that someone of his stature is basically saying this should lift the fog that surrounds GWombies such as yourself so you can see clearly.

**weeble1000**

Pacific wrote:
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Kosake wrote:
Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

And why is that please? If something is going so very wrong in your company that you leave because of it, you are damn well allowed to say why you did so. That's got nothing to do with being unprofessional. It's one thing if you got fired for lazyness and calling your ex-boss a slavedriving jerk or whatever but it's a different story if you left your company after a damn long time because you were not behind the descisions of the new management.

Do we know exactly why he left? That would allow us to know what combination of sour grapes or righteous anger drives his statements.

I heard that he had been promoted to a point that he essentially had very little work to do. After Warhammer historicals was closed, his creative input on projects was next to none, and so at that point he was moved on to new pastures where he could do what he wanted to do.

There's a few ways to interpret it, some less savory than others. I have always gotten the impression that there's a layer of tension and bad feelings underlying a lot of the extant relationships in Nottingham. There are certain subjects some people don't like to talk about, other people flatly refuse to talk about, and still other people who will try to put a good face on.

In my experience, there's usually lots of qualifiers being attached to various comments. So-and-so already said X and Y so I'll just say Z. I wouldn't want to say anything bad about so-and-so. I still see this person or that person 'round the pub. So and so still works for GW.

GW is always an elephant in the room that most folks don't like to acknowledge. It is often like talking to someone about their friend's ex who is still friends with people they both know and is now dating another person they all know. And that suggests that there are bitter and deep-seated feelings somewhere in the nooks and crannies of those often long, intimate, and thoroughly interwoven relationships.

I work in a fairly niche and intimate business, and it is the same way. Certain topics are taboo. People remember that so-and-so used to work for this big firm but left for this reason or that reason and started a competing firm. This person did this or that to this other person back in the day, but now they have to work together. My industry isn't dominated by that BS, but it is there. And it is obviously there in the table top miniature wargaming industry, and painfully so when the topic is even tangentially related to GW.

Frankly, I'm surprised Rick Priestly even mentioned the Chapterhouse Studios case. There's no quicker way to make someone in Nottingham pucker up than to say the word "Chapterhouse" in almost any context.

**nkelsch**

Saldiven wrote:

How is it in your areas? Do you still see lots of school-age kids coming in and playing/buying 40K stuff?

Almost every GW store I have ever been to has been almost all 'underage' people or very very young adults. The only place I usually see grown adults with piss piles of money are at tourneys.

And being 'visible' to adults doesn't equate to not existing. The difference is Hasbro is able to prove why that adult who spends 400$ a month on transformers is only 6% of their market and is willing to show that data to the adults to shut them up and put them in their place.

**Howard A Treesong**

Kelly502 wrote:
I'm not name calling, he is devaluing a hobby, from a company he "has" worked for in the past. He is not current with what they are doing inside the company, he doesn't go to production meetings any longer, he is an outsider.
He works for another company in a similar market correct? So really he is being unprofessional in defaming GW.

The White knight s strong with this on. Defamation has to amount to more than observations and mild criticism, and has to actually be untrue. You can't defame someone when saying something that's true.

Rick Priestly has been philosophical and professional about his time with GW and observations upon it. Given that they've deleted all the products he worked on and made him surplus to requirement. Certainly the things he has said have been well considered unlike the squawking about him being a 'has-been' that should apparently keep his mouth shut, because to say anything against the mighty Workshop should, apparently, be legally actionable. Absurd!