Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)

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**kronk**

Exciting times, indeed!

**nudibranch**

Hmm, these look interesting. Always liked the look of heresy special weapons. Would of liked to see Mk.3 instead of 4 though. Oh also. anyone think those upgrade packs that seemed kinda redundant (specifically in the case of the SW, BA and DA ones) may have some purpose with this?

**Rayvon**

Not sure whats going on with the legs, they don't look the same as the FW ones.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Awh yaas!

I needed me some plastic crack.

While I know many would prefer MKII/III, I'm not complaining - MKIV has always been my favourite armour mark.

Also obligatory inb4 more expensive than FW.

**ImAGeek**

Rayvon wrote:
Not sure whats going on with the legs, they don't look the same as the FW ones.

They're the same design, just in the usual GW squatting pose.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Its just more marines? Really not seeing whats exciting about this?

**Matt.Kingsley**

Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Plus it's exciting because no one actually seriously believed these rumors, and then they turned out to be true... (at least in part)

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Jarhead is a jarhead. Why is old marines more exciting than new marines? Same thing.

**ImAGeek**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Jarhead is a jarhead. Why is old marines more exciting than new marines? Same thing.

Because for those of us making 30k forces, this could save us quite a bit of money.

**Tannhauser42**

Zywus wrote:
Slightly dissapointing to see that the plastics keep doing all legs in that classic semi-squatting pose. (I suppose it might be a necessity for plastic molding and not an artistic choice).

Because squatting Space Marines allow GW to claim they're 28mm scale. Marines that actually stand straight are 32mm.

To address an earlier comment about giving money to FW instead of GW, in an ideal world, someone in charge would notice that, if part X of their business is growing and gets higher customer satisfaction ratings than part Y of that business, then they should try to learn from what part X is doing right. While this works in many other companies, I doubt GW is smart enough to do so. I really hope they leave all the writing to FW.

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Azreal13 wrote:
It's a good time to be an EC collector!

Pfft, Mk3 armor is prettier with all the gold trim you can put on the armor plates. That's what half my EC are in Mk3. But, mine are loyalist, so that would be why they have more of the older armor.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

ImAGeek wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Jarhead is a jarhead. Why is old marines more exciting than new marines? Same thing.

Because for those of us making 30k forces, this could save us quite a bit of money.

That's true and a good point.

Can I play 40K vs 30K?

**ImAGeek**

They're not designed to be played together but they aren't overly unbalanced against each other. 30k is at a disadvantage at smaller games, the list comes into its own at 2,500pts plus really.

**Gashrog**

The fact that the sprue is PURE Mk4 suggests they are operating on the original fluff which was that Mk4 was incompatible with earlier technology. Said fluff also stated that Mk3 was a specialist suit unsuitable for general use, Mk2 was the standard suit until replaced by Mk4 - a process described as being half complete at the outbreak of the Heresy. So Mk4 makes sense for first rate front line units early in the Heresy.

I do hope to god they bring out some Mk3 however.

**Matt.Kingsley**

You can, yes. (at least, FW's 30K. Unsure if GW's version will allow you)

FW has said in one of their 30K FaQ and Erratas that you can but to be aware that 30K has been balanced against 30K, not 40K.

From what I've heard the balance between 30K and 40K armies isn't as bad as balance between 40K and 40K in general, so it shouldn't be too bad.

**nudibranch**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:

From what I've heard the balance between 30K and 40K armies isn't as bad as balance between 40K and 40K in general, so it shouldn't be too bad.

To be fair, that's mostly because 30K is slightly different space marines vs. other slightly different space marines + psuedo-Imperial Guard and the Mechanicum. There's simply not as much to balance.

**privateer4hire**

Lupercal!
Eifragilisticexpialidocios!

**ImAGeek**

nudibranch wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:

From what I've heard the balance between 30K and 40K armies isn't as bad as balance between 40K and 40K in general, so it shouldn't be too bad.

To be fair, that's mostly because 30K is slightly different space marines vs. other slightly different space marines + psuedo-Imperial Guard and the Mechanicum. There's simply not as much to balance.

Well the Mechanicum are a vastly different list. FW actually put a modicum of effort in where GW don't. GW can't balance CSM vs SM for example, or look at SM and DA in 6th...

**Formosa**

There are 2 types when it comes to 30 vs 40k

The first group: cry cheese instantly, usually the anti fw crowd hangs out here but not always, they have "heard" 30k is over powered "what do you mean you can take 10 plasma guns in a squad, that's cheese!" but have not actually played a game, haven't played for long enough to know any better, or been poisoned by one of the anti forge world crowd.

The second group: generally don't care, they are happy just to play a game and will play almost anything, they also have had experience playing the game for at least a little while too and can see from the 30k rules that they are not too bad, or even good when compared to their armies.

If this all looks familier it's because it is, it's the same thing with 40k vs 40k.

Now there are some things that should happen (as usual) before playing a 30k vs 40k game (sod it I'm calling it a multi-k game from now on).

Firstly if you are playing orks, nids or any army with a 5+ save or worse, try not to take too many Volkite weapons (unless tourny setting) as one sqaud of culverin HSS will kill an ork mob a turn, easily.

Try not to spam the Spartans, 1/2 is fair, but most armies cannot deal with them at all, let alone the [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express that - Alpharius] you invariably have inside.

Try not to use the primarchs, first in a smaller game they will eat that 25% very easily, secondly, not much can stand up to them in 40k, and the force multiplier is evil with certain forces.

Remove the 25% lord of war rule for them, or you stick to it too.

I have more but all in all, have a chat before hand.

**Blacksails**

What I'm curious about this is if we'll see a whole range of armour marks, and then if plastic legion conversion kits will be made.

I wouldn't be surprised about a few different kits for the different armour marks, but hopefully they leave the fiddly conversion bits to FW.

I'm also hoping this isn't step 1 in turning either 40k or 30k into an AoS type game.

**Ashiraya**

This excites me, but it also terrifies me.

I have a large CSM army but I was moving entirely over to HH WB because FW's game and miniatures are just simply better IMO. I dearly hope GW won't make my WB into CSM too!

'Oh yeah, you are traitor, you randomly lost a bunch of stuff all the loyalists get frivolous access to because... uh... reasons.'

Or scatterbike Contemptors. You know it will happen. And only BA will get them.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Blacksails wrote:
What I'm curious about this is if we'll see a whole range of armour marks, and then if plastic legion conversion kits will be made.

I wouldn't be surprised about a few different kits for the different armour marks, but hopefully they leave the fiddly conversion bits to FW.

I'm also hoping this isn't step 1 in turning either 40k or 30k into an AoS type game.

Well, HH boxed game with rules similar to AoS - easily saleable. If it sells, roll out to 40K properly as that's what people are clearly going to buy.

**shade1313**

Lockark wrote:
The weapon options are odd. It looks like a meltagun, missile launcher, heavy bolted, and combi?

From a kit perspective disappointing considering the newest tactical squad box.

From a game play perspective is odd because in the current rules hh tac squads don't have access to ANY of those guns.

I hope these rules don't mess with fw's exellent rule set for age of darkness. My heart can't take another age of sigmar.

The other possible perspective with the weapons on the sprue is that with this one kit, you can make a regular Legion tactical squad, all with bolters, or a veteran tactical squad, or make a few tac squads and use the leftover special and heavy weapons to make full support and heavy support squads. I'm hoping the sprues were made with that idea in mind, rather than just messing with what FW has already written and done a good job with.

**Blacksails**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Well, HH boxed game with rules similar to AoS - easily saleable. If it sells, roll out to 40K properly as that's what people are clearly going to buy.

That's what I'm worried about. Plus, any theoretical boxed game will sell well just for the models, and not necessarily because of the rules, though I imagine GW couldn't or wouldn't be able to figure out the difference.

**NoggintheNog**

Looking good. Any news on when these are likely to appear? I realise seeing them in the flesh is no indicator of being anywhere near release.

**Mr Morden**

ImAGeek wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Jarhead is a jarhead. Why is old marines more exciting than new marines? Same thing.

Because for those of us making 30k forces, this could save us quite a bit of money.

Why would they be cheaper than FW? Looking at the recent AOS prices - could be more expensive?

**rryannn**

GW wants to end resells! No body will want boring old space marines! Cool models.

**psnmario**

These look great, can't wait for these to be released.

**ImAGeek**

Mr Morden wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not just ANY marines, they're plastic MKIV 30K-era marines.

In other words 300x cooler than run-of-the-mill 40K marines.

Jarhead is a jarhead. Why is old marines more exciting than new marines? Same thing.

Because for those of us making 30k forces, this could save us quite a bit of money.

Why would they be cheaper than FW? Looking at the recent AOS prices - could be more expensive?

It's £61 for a tac squad from FW. I'm hoping GW aren't insane enough to try charging more than that for 10 plastic minis.

**shade1313**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings on Warseer last night:

Re: Heresy plastics

Originally Posted by Scribe of Khorne
So tell me hastings, are we looking at an AoS type moment here, or is GW going to let FW keep steering the HH ship?

If AoS style rules reboots are incoming...in a few months? I'll likely lose my ****.

I don't know TBH, I'll share what I have heard, but this dates back a while as I pay very little interest to GW now.

I heard that 30k HH would be a boxed standalone game (like execution force was) and that the plastics contained within it would go on to form part of a larger 30k range and would be released some time later as individual box sets/clampacks, I was told that rules would be in those boxes, but that some boxes would contain rules for 30k AND 40k (and these boxes have BOTH logos on - yes there is a new 30k logo) so I assume it will be using a different ruleset to 40k (as there would be no point having rules for both systems in boxes if they were both the same). I was also told the plastic assassins would get clampack releases later and be released as part of the main 40k range..... as the box set is pretty much still quite widely available I don't expect this to be soon, although I never had a timeframe in the first case.

As for your AoS style rule reboot question - I remember being told to expect 40k codexes (codices?) to be a thing of the past within 2 years, and that the rules would be in the box for each model/unit, but there would still be a core ruleset which the in box rules would obviously add to. I've not bought any AoS releases (nor do I intend to) so I don't know if they have rules in the boxes (seems daft as when rules got FAQ'd (lol) or changed they'd need to repack ALL the boxes - seems even dafter that anything would actually bother with rules for AoS!!) or just online? I am going to leap to the conclusion that 40k probably WILL become more simplified like AoS, mainly because GW no longer see themselves as rules/games writers but just model sellers. How much more simplified I wouldn't hazard a guess at. Whatever they decide to do you can bet it's in the pipeline already, because myself and Harry were privately discussing the changes to WFB almost 3 years ago - I was told it was being canned and whilst we thought that was not the case and that AoS would be a continuation or refresh of it WFB HAS actually been canned and REPLACED by AoS, so these things are planned well ahead.

FW make huge sales from HH, there was no way that GW weren't going to want in on the action! I expect FW to still produce the big kits/characters/customising kits but GW will provide the bulk of the models needed to play 30k. We can only hope that GW let FW handle the 30k rules/books and they just make the models for it. But keep in mind I was told that when the 30k RANGE hits the stores (not the standalone box game but the actual range) it will take over the store space that used to be taken up by LotR/Hobbit, so GW may want to keep tight hold of the reigns even though they are no longer committed to producing games?

That's probably done very little to answer you, but it's the best I can manage and hopefully slightly informative if only a repost of what I wrote in January.

Originally Posted by lbecks

The character kit has two guys in it. ......

Indeed. Maybe those are the 2 characters from the starter/standalone box that might only be available in that box...... or something

*EDIT.

Having thought about this I think the unit/model rules for 30k & 40k will be online/WD rather than actually inside the box kits (I may have misinterpreted what my source said).

Also I should point out that as I understand it 40k and 30k will be very different games/rulesets, so it may be that 40k becomes like AoS and 30k is handled by FW (although this is just wishful thinking on the behalf of hobbyists the world over!).

Of course I may be completely wrong...... because that happens a lot

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?412055-Heresy-plastics&p=7506930&viewfull=1#post7506930

Good lord, if they AoS 40k, then that's a crapload of armies that will be joining my WFB stuff in storage for the long, long term.

**Tannhauser42**

nudibranch wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:

From what I've heard the balance between 30K and 40K armies isn't as bad as balance between 40K and 40K in general, so it shouldn't be too bad.

To be fair, that's mostly because 30K is slightly different space marines vs. other slightly different space marines + psuedo-Imperial Guard and the Mechanicum. There's simply not as much to balance.

Let's not forget that the 40K Demons Codex is also in there as allies for the Word Bearers, so there's an actual 40K army present in 30K. Amusingly enough, it was because of that allowance that made Word Bearers a top tier Legion.