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So Loki needs to stay out of range of the bubble and let someone tankier deal with it. But without Hysteria or war shout, even with her health and armor Valkyr will get worn down quicker than you'd think.

Quick Thining is often taken on Loki due to his large energy pool. Keeps him survivable.

Valkyr has high armor and health, but without Hysteria to gain health back, she just dies eventually.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Quick Thining is often taken on Loki due to his large energy pool. Keeps him survivable.

Valkyr has high armor and health, but without Hysteria to gain health back, she just dies eventually.

Quick thinking does far less than you think in T4 or even a normal raid. Loki has such a pitiful amount of health you'll often be at quick thinking before you even hit half of his energy pool.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Quick Thining is often taken on Loki due to his large energy pool. Keeps him survivable.

Valkyr has high armor and health, but without Hysteria to gain health back, she just dies eventually.

Quick thinking does far less than you think in T4 or even a normal raid. Loki has such a pitiful amount of health you'll often be at quick thinking before you even hit half of his energy pool.

It does a lot more than you think, actually. I don't need to think, because it works in practice. I run it on Loki and Nova all the time, and with their prime versions having increased base energy, it'll keep you alive when you get hit by a stray lvl80 Bombard rocket. It gives both Loki and Nova virtually +1500 health that regenerates very easily.

Try it sometime.

I still need to find a Rage for my Valkyr...

Actually, do Rage and Quick Thinking stack?

 Melissia wrote:
I still need to find a Rage for my Valkyr...

Actually, do Rage and Quick Thinking stack?

They do, but very poorly now. Used to be nearly unkillable with it. I'm talking like a ~95% efficiency with it or something, meaning you only lost 5% energy every time it activated. How it used t work was that QT would pop when you hit 0 HP, consuming all your energy to restore your HP to however high it could go, and Rage would then activate and give you back energy as you lost that HP obviously, in a near infinite cycle (like, literally pick up one or two eng orbs and you'd refill a huge chunk of HP effectively.) The only thing able to stop you was anything that could drain energy, which were pretty rare.

Ah. Might just stick with rage then. Valkyr has her own health regen from hysteria after all.

Still need ot actually get it . Damn napalms never do their fething rare drops.

 Melissia wrote:
Ah. Might just stick with rage then. Valkyr has her own health regen from hysteria after all.

Still need ot actually get it . Damn napalms never do their fething rare drops.

Pc right? Lemme check if I have a spare.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Quick Thining is often taken on Loki due to his large energy pool. Keeps him survivable.

Valkyr has high armor and health, but without Hysteria to gain health back, she just dies eventually.

Quick thinking does far less than you think in T4 or even a normal raid. Loki has such a pitiful amount of health you'll often be at quick thinking before you even hit half of his energy pool.

It does a lot more than you think, actually. I don't need to think, because it works in practice. I run it on Loki and Nova all the time, and with their prime versions having increased base energy, it'll keep you alive when you get hit by a stray lvl80 Bombard rocket. It gives both Loki and Nova virtually +1500 health that regenerates very easily.

Try it sometime.

I run a Loki too, haven't died once in Nightmare raids, or T4 in over 6 months of solid play. Most of the time, its fine if you have energy pads. But when you're any decent amount of time into a T4, or a Nightmare raid, if your loki has max energy, either you're being carried and are bad, or aren't playing right. Let's face it. Quick thinking is a grand mod in theory, on a frame who can spare the slot. But, a well built loki has 2 slots for efficiency, 2 for range, 2 for shields, one for ID and the last for duration, or 2 range, 2 efficiency, 2 shields and 2 duration.

 Melissia wrote:
Ah. Might just stick with rage then. Valkyr has her own health regen from hysteria after all.

Still need ot actually get it . Damn napalms never do their fething rare drops.

You're in luck, I have a spare, PM me your IGN, I'll add you and we can trade. Toss me w/e you have a spare of.

Same as on here-- "Melissia".

I know, I'm lucky

 Melissia wrote:
Same as on here-- "Melissia".

I know, I'm lucky

inv sent.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I run a Loki too, haven't died once in Nightmare raids, or T4 in over 6 months of solid play. Most of the time, its fine if you have energy pads. But when you're any decent amount of time into a T4, or a Nightmare raid, if your loki has max energy, either you're being carried and are bad, or aren't playing right. Let's face it. Quick thinking is a grand mod in theory, on a frame who can spare the slot. But, a well built loki has 2 slots for efficiency, 2 for range, 2 for shields, one for ID and the last for duration, or 2 range, 2 efficiency, 2 shields and 2 duration.

It's fine if you don't want to face the fact that your theorycrafting is silly.

A raid often has a very specific use for a Loki. If I'm being "carried", then the I'm not doing my job and everyone is probably dead or getting shot up really bad depending on the rest of the team. If everyone does their role and doesn't kill enemies, there is no need to constantly spam disarm. If the Trinity is doing their role, then Loki has max energy. Essentially, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Just accept the fact that your theorycrafted dismissal of Quick Thinking is unfounded.

Irradiating Disarm is also not necessary in the raid missions. You often don't want enemies killing one another. Some people take it, though. To each their own.

Why do you have two shield mods? Redirection alone is good enough. take Quick Thinking instead.

You suggest two efficiency mods. You take Fleeting Expertise on Loki? The efficiency you get for Radial Disarm is nowhere worth the reduction in invisibility and Irradiating Disarm.

Your "well built Loki" needs a rework. Try experimenting a bit more.

Thank ya


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 Absolutionis wrote:
Why do you have two shield mods? Redirection alone is good enough. take Quick Thinking instead.

Any warframes you'd recommend two shield mods on at all?

Saryn, maybe?

 Melissia wrote:
Thank ya


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 Absolutionis wrote:
Why do you have two shield mods? Redirection alone is good enough. take Quick Thinking instead.

Any warframes you'd recommend two shield mods on at all?

Saryn, maybe?

I guess it depends on which shield mods. Redirection is an auto-include on pretty much every frame except for Valkyr, maybe Saryn, and some niche/farming builds. Vigor is the 'other' shield mod, but it's more commonly taken to boost health even more for Valkyr+Rage maybe. Fast Deflection also exists, but that's up to your own preference. I don't like it personally and would rather spend the mod slot for something else.

Vigor is often not worth the slot. It's +120 health and +120 shields on many frames. If your base health/shields are 150, then you get +180. It's hardly worth it.
However, if you have a Valkyr with rage, the +120 health will give you some energy (but not fully enough) for Hysteria.

Zephyr perhaps? She has a good deal of health and shields but almost no armor, so additional shields and health would be rather useful to her.

Not much of a Zephyr player myself, and I honestly rarely see them around much. I'd imagine that with such low armor +180 health, +180 shields wouldn't make that much of a difference. May as well go the route of keeping Turbulence up as much as possible.

It'd just hard to justify an entire mod slot to Vigor when you could run Redirection or Vitality or both.

With the upcoming utility mod slot later today in U17, things may change, of course.

Actually was thinking Redirection, VIgor, AND Vitality at once on her to try to bump her hp and shields up as much as possible.

Your playstyle is suspiciously similar to mine, Melissia.

Also, with the removal of Stamina, Valkyr did lose one advantage but it was still a buff.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I run a Loki too, haven't died once in Nightmare raids, or T4 in over 6 months of solid play. Most of the time, its fine if you have energy pads. But when you're any decent amount of time into a T4, or a Nightmare raid, if your loki has max energy, either you're being carried and are bad, or aren't playing right. Let's face it. Quick thinking is a grand mod in theory, on a frame who can spare the slot. But, a well built loki has 2 slots for efficiency, 2 for range, 2 for shields, one for ID and the last for duration, or 2 range, 2 efficiency, 2 shields and 2 duration.

It's fine if you don't want to face the fact that your theorycrafting is silly.

A raid often has a very specific use for a Loki. If I'm being "carried", then the I'm not doing my job and everyone is probably dead or getting shot up really bad depending on the rest of the team. If everyone does their role and doesn't kill enemies, there is no need to constantly spam disarm. If the Trinity is doing their role, then Loki has max energy. Essentially, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Just accept the fact that your theorycrafted dismissal of Quick Thinking is unfounded.

Irradiating Disarm is also not necessary in the raid missions. You often don't want enemies killing one another. Some people take it, though. To each their own.

Why do you have two shield mods? Redirection alone is good enough. take Quick Thinking instead.

You suggest two efficiency mods. You take Fleeting Expertise on Loki? The efficiency you get for Radial Disarm is nowhere worth the reduction in invisibility and Irradiating Disarm.

Your "well built Loki" needs a rework. Try experimenting a bit more.

Really, if a raid has any use for a Loki, it's a gak tier team. An 8 man raid with a loki is essentially a 7 man team, at the end of the day. The only time a Loki is mildly useful in LoR, is for the pads. And then, he's just spamming disarm and checking the pads. At which point you need a mild duration buff(~10%) and all the range you can muster.

And, The two shield mods means that he has the option of wading in with a stealth build. And let's face it. With the permastealth build, if you need QT, then you should look into Rhino.

As for the Efficiency mods, I'm still at a positive duration for my Loki. If you're getting your other powers nerfed, maybe you should just build better and get better.


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 Melissia wrote:
Thank ya


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 Absolutionis wrote:
Why do you have two shield mods? Redirection alone is good enough. take Quick Thinking instead.

Any warframes you'd recommend two shield mods on at all?

Saryn, maybe?

Mag/Mag Prime, Rhino/Rhino Prime, and Chroma.

Saryn just uses health buffs. With Regenerative Molt, she's got one of the best heals in game right now.

The non-gameplay related concept behind Equinox is stupid and I just want to channel my inner Lobo and car-slap the person who decided this was brilliant enough to include.

Playing the rest of the content though. IDK if I really care much for the new weapons, but liking the movement.

What's wrong with Equinox?

It's the old "men are powerful women are healers" irredeemable guttertrash.

I... I don't really mind that.

Warframe has already portrayed variety (for example, one of the absolutely toughest frames is female, who is also a melee-focused berserker frame).

 Ashiraya wrote:
I... I don't really mind that.

Warframe has already portrayed variety (for example, one of the absolutely toughest frames is female, who is also a melee-focused berserker frame).

Nova isn't melee focused though,

I believe they're talking about Valkyr.

 Melissia wrote:
I believe they're talking about Valkyr.

Yup, and for frames, gender is based on the previous frame mostly (or was, haven't really kept track recently, literally the least important thing to me)

edit: iirc tho, we are missing a male healer (and not one like oberon, but one like trinity type healing)

 Melissia wrote:
I believe they're talking about Valkyr.

Yes, she is indeed.

Anyone got the new Warframe, don't know when it will hit the console, love the tonkor gun, wish i had the mod so it would fire in a straight line, have a tendency to fire through enemies up close

I got myself a Rhino and wow, Rhino feels stronger at rank 10 than Valkyr does at rank 30.