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Greetings all!

Hope your weekends are treating you well.

I just had a quick question. I am currently in progress playing a game with my cousin who is Dark Eldar.

I deep struck a drop pod with Vulkan and some sternguard with heavy flamers down and was able to cover 3 of his vehicles with the heavy flamer shots.

Long story short with the combination of lucky rolls, salamander chapter tactics, and the No Escape rule I blew up all 3 vehicles and BBQed everything but 1 lone wych.

This was so unbelievable it left me wondering if this was even possible.

So I am coming here to ask, if I hit all 3 vehicles with the heavy flamers do the units inside of EACH vehicle take the d6 hits from each flamer?

Yes, why wouldn't they?

Although the rule requiring you to cover as much as possible of the target vehicle with the template will limit the number of times this is actually likely to happen.

 iinvisionx wrote:
Greetings all!

Hope your weekends are treating you well.

I just had a quick question. I am currently in progress playing a game with my cousin who is Dark Eldar.

I deep struck a drop pod with Vulkan and some sternguard with heavy flamers down and was able to cover 3 of his vehicles with the heavy flamer shots.

Long story short with the combination of lucky rolls, salamander chapter tactics, and the No Escape rule I blew up all 3 vehicles and BBQed everything but 1 lone wych.

This was so unbelievable it left me wondering if this was even possible.

So I am coming here to ask, if I hit all 3 vehicles with the heavy flamers do the units inside of EACH vehicle take the d6 hits from each flamer?

Maybe? Depends on the layout.

Vulkan and Sternguard nominate a target to shoot at. If possible, every template weapon in the unit has to cover that target. If you can hit the target AND a 2nd unit with a single template, awesome... that 2nd unit takes hits also. If you can cover the target unit, but instead choose to put the template over a different unit, you've broken the rules.

Here is the relevant bit... "Against vehicles, the template must be placed to cover as much of the vehicle as possible without touching a friendly model." So, you see, it's generally impossible to "cover as much of the vehicle as possible" and still tag a second vehicle unless the vehicle are almost stacked on top of each other.

Was your squad putting all of its templates so that they'd be hitting the primary target with as much template as possible? If you did this and happened to catch the edges of other vehicles with your templates, it's all good.

If you had templates placed so they'd be pointed at the edge of the target vehicle, or not at the target vehicle at all, then this would not be allowed.

The center of your template needs to be near the center of the vehicle, so you can hit as much of it as possible.

 kingbobbito wrote:
The center of your template needs to be near the center of the vehicle, so you can hit as much of it as possible.

Not necessarily. If you have your guys set up right, it is possible that you cannot physically place the the center of the template (nor the large end) over the vehicle. For example (sorry for crude)


_______________
|___VEHICLE___|
A_C_E_G_I_K_M
_B_D_F_H_J_L

the large end of the template from B, D, F, H, J and L can not be placed over the vehicle.

That's correct. Normally, you'd have to cover one vehicle and you'd be lucky to get multiple vehicles, but you can just "force" the position of the template by the way you position your guys. Leave only one viable way of placing the template, and you can make sure that one option is the option that gives you the best results.

 Happyjew wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
The center of your template needs to be near the center of the vehicle, so you can hit as much of it as possible.

Not necessarily. If you have your guys set up right, it is possible that you cannot physically place the the center of the template (nor the large end) over the vehicle. For example (sorry for crude)


_______________
|___VEHICLE___|
A_C_E_G_I_K_M
_B_D_F_H_J_L

the large end of the template from B, D, F, H, J and L can not be placed over the vehicle.

I'm a bit confused, are you saying that the vehicle is too far away for the center of the template to reach the vehicle from those spots? From my understanding your template would still need to be pointed directly at the vehicle... you can't aim from at something other than where you wrote "VEHICLE" on the model. Not necessarily that the template center has to be over it, but that the template center has to be pointed at it.

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
The center of your template needs to be near the center of the vehicle, so you can hit as much of it as possible.

Not necessarily. If you have your guys set up right, it is possible that you cannot physically place the the center of the template (nor the large end) over the vehicle. For example (sorry for crude)


_______________
|___VEHICLE___|
A_C_E_G_I_K_M
_B_D_F_H_J_L

the large end of the template from B, D, F, H, J and L can not be placed over the vehicle.

I'm a bit confused, are you saying that the vehicle is too far away for the center of the template to reach the vehicle from those spots? From my understanding your template would still need to be pointed directly at the vehicle... you can't aim from at something other than where you wrote "VEHICLE" on the model. Not necessarily that the template center has to be over it, but that the template center has to be pointed at it.

"Against vehicles, the template must be placed to cover as much as possible without touching a friendly model."

Happyjew was referring to that last bit of the Template rule.

Also you seem to be conflating Template with Blast Marker. You do not need to put the center of a Template (flamer) weapon over or at anything, you do need to do that for blast weapons before scatter. The only requirement for templates is the above quotation.

Just place squad members close to and slightly in front of the firing squad member to "control" the angel of the template cone. This will make it easier to hit multiple vehicles !

Or a better way is to declare the farthest away vehicle (or whichever requires you to cover more vehicles in the process) as your target. As long as you can see it and it's in range, you can shoot it.

 Tarrasq wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
The center of your template needs to be near the center of the vehicle, so you can hit as much of it as possible.

Not necessarily. If you have your guys set up right, it is possible that you cannot physically place the the center of the template (nor the large end) over the vehicle. For example (sorry for crude)


_______________
|___VEHICLE___|
A_C_E_G_I_K_M
_B_D_F_H_J_L

the large end of the template from B, D, F, H, J and L can not be placed over the vehicle.

I'm a bit confused, are you saying that the vehicle is too far away for the center of the template to reach the vehicle from those spots? From my understanding your template would still need to be pointed directly at the vehicle... you can't aim from at something other than where you wrote "VEHICLE" on the model. Not necessarily that the template center has to be over it, but that the template center has to be pointed at it.

"Against vehicles, the template must be placed to cover as much as possible without touching a friendly model."

Happyjew was referring to that last bit of the Template rule.

Also you seem to be conflating Template with Blast Marker. You do not need to put the center of a Template (flamer) weapon over or at anything, you do need to do that for blast weapons before scatter. The only requirement for templates is the above quotation.

To clarify, the center of the Blast Marker just has to be wholely over the base for Infantry or anywhere on the hull of the vehicle. It doesn't necessarily have to be over the center.

 Tarrasq wrote:
"Against vehicles, the template must be placed to cover as much as possible without touching a friendly model."

Happyjew was referring to that last bit of the Template rule.

Also you seem to be conflating Template with Blast Marker. You do not need to put the center of a Template (flamer) weapon over or at anything, you do need to do that for blast weapons before scatter. The only requirement for templates is the above quotation.

Ah, okay. I usually only have 1 flamer in a squad (such as tacticals) so don't really have to worry about that sort of stuff as much, or on dreadnoughts where I probably won't have anything in front of it.