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SPM needs to do better than 20% off MSRP to keep my pledge. I think nkelsch makes a strong case that this KS is a long way from doing so. Fortunately, we are a long way from the end, too. I expect SPM damage control will kick in by this coming Wednesday at the latest. If they allow it to coast past then, I'm afraid that counts as a red flag.

I think the Clans should retail for $40, assuming they are Warband like:

1 Ronin (Hero)
2 Clan-specific Shines (Spawns)
1 Oni (Mini-Boss)
2 Uniques (minions)
10-12 Ninja (minions)
+ "bonus" SDE Warband cards.


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 Manchu wrote:
SPM needs to do better than 20% off MSRP to keep my pledge. I think nkelsch makes a strong case that this KS is a long way from doing so. Fortunately, we are a long way from the end, too. I expect SPM damage control will kick in by this coming Wednesday at the latest. If they allow it to coast past then, I'm afraid that counts as a red flag.

SPM is already doing DC - that's the point of the "Master" pledges allowing backers to choose Clans.

No doubt reworking the pledge structure was damage control -- but there is further, ongoing "damage" in terms of the crawling pace.

Is it wrong of me to want a baby Kintaro riding on top of a giant bear as a ronin?

Seems they're mining enough Japanese folk tales/ mythology as it is...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Is it wrong of me to want a baby Kintaro riding on top of a giant bear as a ronin?

Seems they're mining enough Japanese folk tales/ mythology as it is...

Maybe I've just been playing too much Mortal Kombat, but the first thing I envisioned was a chibi tiger-Shokan on a giant bear. Did not disappoint.

...And now I want Sub-Zero, Ermac, Scorpion, Reptile, Smoke, Noob Saibot, Kitana, Mileena, Jade, Tanya, and my favorite, Skarlet, in chibi form for SDE and NAS.

This KS does need more MK references.

 Manchu wrote:
This KS does need more MK references.

I continue to like the way you think,Manchu.

Clan Kombat. Featuring a billion heroes and Shokan for the Oni. Various Lin Kuei (robo and non-robo) and Shira Ryu ninjas for the various "minions". Yes, yes I do like where this is going.

We already have palette swapped ninjas.

 Manchu wrote:
We already have palette swapped ninjas.

EXALT!

Is that how that works?

New intermediate stretch goals added

This nifty painted guy was in the SDE:KS update too - hadn't seen him before.

OH - and you left out


which will be unlocked at 1500 backers.

Ah so I did - that's the problem with yellow and orange clans I thought it was Yamazaru - Kitsune would be one of my 4 picks as will Tanchyo whenever they turn up.

Liking those new stretch goals.

It's going to be very difficult picking my clans when this thing wraps up.

How many clan specific heroes do you think we'll end up seeing with each faction?

There's 30 heroes and Ronin in the rulebook. 9 Ronin revealed so far. It looks like at least 2 Heroes per clan for 12 total, possibly some heroes for the Shrine ninjas it was in a comment a few days ago so 6 more that might leave 9 more Ronin - pure guess work it might be 3 per clan have to wait and see.

Interesting how the economics of unlocking free content can change

But I really dig those characters. Now I just want the two missing clans, the Oni, the missing clans' Oni and some more Oni, maybe shrine Oni and giant stone dogs for the Samurai and a way to get some, but not a TON of shrine ninjas (How cool are the shrine Kaiken and archers? So cool.

Well, that and hands on with the FK stuff, because base SDE minis had such soft details :/

I'm good with these changes - SPM needed to "juice" the campaign, and they have done that.

Way ahead of schedule! I am a little surprised to see this heading into a weekend. Might have been better on Monday morning. But maybe other surprises are in store?

Good lord I feel illiterate trying to read some of those names.

Time to take a japanese primer course.....

I think this confirms 2 Heroes per clan



New Ronin preview so that's 3 more Ronin

Binabik15 wrote:
Interesting how the economics of unlocking free content can change

Yup - just like most flailing Kickstarters - they seem to have had a little more wiggle room than they let on.

And my - those are some ... interesting new Ronin. Guessing the spider demon lady is a Ronin Oni. Nice.

 cincydooley wrote:
Good lord I feel illiterate trying to read some of those names.

I thought that feeling was usually reserved for when trying to read Darklands' unit names!

Yamazaru, Tora, and Ijin are pretty much locks for me now seeing the new heroes. Of course I had pretty much made up my mind on them as soon as I saw most of their designs.

Interesting that there will probably be ronin oni judging by that spider.

I knew from art alone that Kitsune and Tanchyo would be my top choices. Though, quite honestly, I'll likely end up at Elemental plus the last two clan boxes, plus whichever Ronin the fiancee and I decide we need to have right off the bat. They are definitely impressing me with their willingness to change things on this KS.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Good lord I feel illiterate trying to read some of those names.

I thought that feeling was usually reserved for when trying to read Darklands' unit names!

Yamazaru, Tora, and Ijin are pretty much locks for me now seeing the new heroes. Of course I had pretty much made up my mind on them as soon as I saw most of their designs.

Interesting that there will probably be ronin oni judging by that spider.

I thought so to. I'm trying to say some of the words and my uncultured American mouth just doesn't like how the syllables fit together

So how many of these figures are getting SDE cards again? Have they increased it from the "just a couple" initially?

The SDE cards are just a generic deck - they will let you adapt any hero you want into either a melee hero or a ranged hero and use any clan as a "ninja" spawning point for your SDE game.

It's pretty clever how they did it, really.

Man, the "monkey" icon needs to be totally redone. It flat out does not match the others.

Schmapdi wrote:

Binabik15 wrote:
Interesting how the economics of unlocking free content can change

Yup - just like most flailing Kickstarters - they seem to have had a little more wiggle room than they let on.

And my - those are some ... interesting new Ronin. Guessing the spider demon lady is a Ronin Oni. Nice.

And good for them I say! They'd be stupid to not try and stay ahead of their cost increases with the SG spacing. It shows just how much they've seemed to have and how their plan to get people hooked with minimal information and many add-ons failed. I like that. I like Soda Pop as well, their FK communication was great and the shrine plus creep bundle shows that they listen even during successfull campaigns, which I like. I don't even care if they're motivated my money or the goodness of their hearts It helps their campaign. But the campaign needed help because they seemed to be, well, a little greedy. That I don't like.


But they're seemingly doing their best to change their mistakes and that is great. And hopefully a lesson for the SDE Legends KS as well. The increased activity in the comments section alone is remarkable, fonally gameplay informations.


PS: Even the mighty CMON had to drop their ridiculous asking price of "1 guy for ten dollars" for Rum and Bones. I wish SP was forced to do that as well. Not for the campaign, no, I just think it's a ridiculous price for a small PVC mini but that rooster Ronin is pretty cool

FK did $25k SGs up to $500k, and that was the model SPM were hoping for with NAS. NAS is funding about half as fast as FK, so they need SGs to be closer.

In all likelihood, SPM already has the designs for all 6 Clans, etc. ready to go, just pull the trigger, but they have 30 days to fill, and the tooling cost is fairly high. It is baffling that they are going double uniques, when they really need to get all 6 Clans unlocked. They could save a round of uniques for later.

Schmapdi wrote:
The SDE cards are just a generic deck - they will let you adapt any hero you want into either a melee hero or a ranged hero and use any clan as a "ninja" spawning point for your SDE game.

It's pretty clever how they did it, really.

Shame though - with so many heroes, etc I'd buy it if it came with individual SDE cards for them. As it is, I'm thinking it's a pass for me.

 Azazelx wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
The SDE cards are just a generic deck - they will let you adapt any hero you want into either a melee hero or a ranged hero and use any clan as a "ninja" spawning point for your SDE game.

It's pretty clever how they did it, really.

Shame though - with so many heroes, etc I'd buy it if it came with individual SDE cards for them. As it is, I'm thinking it's a pass for me.

I guess. I will point out that there are currently 21 heroes for SDE, and that number is going to more than double in the next few months as SDE:FK stuff comes out. So that'll be nearly 50. There will also soon be 12 spawn points, 15ish mini bosses, 4 bosses and 3 different tile sets. I.E. you could play 5 games of SDE a day for the next 20 years and never play the exact same game twice. Adding another 30 heroes (plus spawns, etc) from NAS would seem to be a bit of overkill IMO. And would probably be pretty hard to do without getting a lot of overlap of existing (or future) SDE stuff.

The official reasoning (aside from it saving them a buttload of work) is that they didn't want to box themselves into a corner when it came to designing the "far east" region of the world SDE inhabits.