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 TheDraconicLord wrote:
OMFG, this month is getting ridiculous. First it's Adeptus Mechanicus now this Kickstarter. This will probably be the first Soda Pop Kickstarter I will back so I'd like to know:

- The previous kickstarters, any problems with them?

- The shipping is an estimate of 20$ for Europe. From past experiences, is this "estimate" true, or will I have a very unpleasant surprise?

For shipping to Europe your problem will be the addition of import duty and VAT on the cost of the game plus shipping, added to which is a "service" fee. This can add a lot to the cost of the game.

The way around this is to get a friend or relative in the USA to accept delivery of your package and send it on to you opened as plastic toys with a low face value. That's what I did with the Super Dungeon Explore set.

at the end of the day Soda Pop shipped a couple of containers to the UK and (Germany?)EU for forgotten King so they covered all that VAT/Duty themselves and will be doing the same for this one

(but it is something you should always confirm for KS originating outside the EU)

 cincydooley wrote:


Great post overall, but this is the line that really resonates.

I respect they're not making anything KS exclusive. I don't think it's the best business move for their campaigns.

For their campaigns? No. For their business? I'd say so.

I'm still not sold 100% on NAS. This is mostly because I have sooo many unpainted Rivet Wars and SDE:TFK minis. If I buckle in the last few days I will only pledge for the base game +2-3 favorite Ronin. I wouldn't do that if I knew that 25% (or more - in some cases) of the game would be unavailable to me to get if I wanted it in the future. With Soda Pop I can put in for a small pledge and know I'll be able to get what I want down the line.


Plus I think people are forgetting that getting 4 clans + base game for a $100 is a pretty fantastic deal from the get go. And while I think every clan box will definitely have an Oni in it - I'm not so sure they'll have the second hero, and I'm pretty sure they won't have the second Oni (though a repeat sculpt holds little value for me).

also - another freebie stretch goal added. Even if it isn't "main-stream."

"No exclusives" is a good thing for SPM/ND, as it ensures that the money they spend developing product drives recurring revenue vs a 1-time bump. While you don't save much money pre-ordering things, you do gain the convenience of not having to shop around and wait. If you pay $2 for coffee, vs brewing your own, then paying upfront for convenience isn't terrible.

It is entirely possible that SDE releases 2 boxes per Clan:
- Clan Starter with 1 Special Character, Chunin, 1 Madoushi, and some basic Kaiken, Kunoichi and Yajiri, and 1 Oni.
- Clan Heroes with 1 Special Character, 1 Clan-related Ronin, 1 Oni, and 1 Madoushi, 1 Kaiken, 1 Kunoichi, 1 Yajiri.

The Clan Starter would be more like the Shrine sets, except it adds an Oni; completely playable, but a little limited in options. Then the Clan Heroes add the more exotic options. This would keep the SKU count down, which was a problem for RK..

 cincydooley wrote:

nkelsch wrote:


I have learned my lesson with Sodapop... I know they don't want to hear it, but exclusives sell models and add backers. And people expect 30-40% off MSRP for the 'joy' of giving a company an interest-free loan and a 9+month wait.

Great post overall, but this is the line that really resonates.

I respect they're not making anything KS exclusive. I don't think it's the best business move for their campaigns.

Sometime after the RK ks delivered someone asked a question about this on their forum, I believe his name is Deke?

In summary, sales are smaller short term but make more long term. And I have it on good authority from 2 major online outlets that post over at TMP have stated that KS with a ton of exclusives don't sell as well as traditionally released games from companies like FFG, plaid hat, etc. Zombicide seemed to be the exception for them.

Both lost money on Sedition wars...

Lanterns are a go - next stretch goal freebie revealed.



Also only a little over $5k and 20ish backers away from the next two freebies, the dog ronin and the old lady ronin. Likely(?) to hit those tonight I'd say as we're entering the final rush and picking up quite a bit of steam. We should easily hit all the revealed stretch goals and then some. I'm betting we settle somewhere around $550k - $600K.






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Dog ninja and old lady unlocked - next stretch goal revealed.


Final 48 hours!

Plowing through a few more stretch goals as we're now <24 hours to go. Final three stretch goals revealed - all freebies.







This last one seems to be this guy: Who is something of a running joke in the comments - I can't say I really understand it.



People are calling him "Village Ninja" (as in Village People Ninja I gather). If's he's a reference to something/someone it's well over my head.

I'm a bit sad there's no second playboard. Though the SDE:FK campaign had a "secret surprise" stretch goal of the zombie bunny (a reference to the Bunnies vs. Zombies game that floundered). So there might be another one tomorrow. Perhaps village ninja is a reference to another future game about bikers?

Sounds like a joke based on the Village People band

Karazax wrote:
Sounds like a joke based on the Village People band

The Japanese do love karaoke, and old American bands like the village people, and ninjas. So what better than throw them all into one figure.

Dad loves leather?
Leather Daddy?

C'mon Dakka.

It's gotta be based on the old Razor Ramon HG (HG- hard gay) "talent" from a few years back.



Saw him do his schtick years ago at a live show. I always found the guy funny.

I dunno. Looks like any other dude from the Blue Oyster.

It's impossible, but I really wish they reached the 500k. I really like the Moon Princess one.

They'll most definitely hit $500k. I could see it falling just short of the $550k goal - but even then they'd probably unlock via pledge manager additions or whatnot.

Ninja Completionist = 220$

Ninja master - 100$
(4 Shrines, 2 Clans)
Elemental Master - 100$
(4 Clans)
Shrine Ninja Pack - 20$

Ronin Completionist = 115$
(All Ronin + stretch ronin)

Grand total = 325$

With clearly the 550k being the end of planned releases, it looks like they expected this campaign to end up around 900k with planned stretches if they had kept to the 25k goals with the current showings. TFK only really had planned stuff up to around 700k so I don't know if they thought they were going to be bigger or what.

nkelsch wrote:

With clearly the 550k being the end of planned releases, it looks like they expected this campaign to end up around 900k with planned stretches if they had kept to the 25k goals with the current showings. TFK only really had planned stuff up to around 700k so I don't know if they thought they were going to be bigger or what.

Honestly, I don't think so. It's not the same as Super Dungeon Explore, that was clearly thought with a lot of supplements. Ninja All Stars could have as well, but you really feel it's a "stand alone" board game as it is.

After all, you mostly buy single characters (ronin) as supplements to your ninja team, where just a box is enough to play (including the Oni).

I do believe they were expecting to have less than SDE:FK. That would explain why there were pledges on the number of backers - because each of them could only spend a limited amount of money on this in comparison with SDE:FK.

Had a hard enough time making sense of this game due to my ignorance of Japanese/Asian culture.

Now there's some sort of village people thing that everyone seems to be going nuts over.

Too weird for me.

I decided to back out - it's not a game I'm likely to play (and I'm trying not to back too many new games to add to the ever growing pile ) I was only really getting it for the SDE stuff which makes $100 a bit much as I'm sure the relevant parts will be available cheaper later on in fact all I actually need is the SDE cards as I have all the minis I need to proxy them.

Schmapdi wrote:
They'll most definitely hit $500k. I could see it falling just short of the $550k goal - but even then they'd probably unlock via pledge manager additions or whatnot.

They are just over $455k with 9 hours to go. Yesterday saw $40k, so they should hit $465k.

Hitting $500k would $5k per hour - a $120k daily pace, that we didn't even see on Day 1 when hype was at its peak.

I think $500k is a bit of a stretch, but I'm sure SPM would love to see my under proven wrong.

Ha. I was right on the money! Bakusho Mondai? That's totally Razor Ramon HG.

The guy had a segment on the Bakusho Mondai variety show. The quote for the figure even has him doing his "Hoooooo!" quote.

Look him up on youtube. Stupid funny stuff as you can only seem to find in Japan.

I really want that figure, as he would get a lot of mileage in my household. The whole family knows who he is.

I wish there was more to really attract me to this. The rules weren't what I was looking for and I doubt I can drag enough people into this to play it in a league fashion.

Totally going to get a Bakusho Mondai figure when he hits retail. "Super Dungeon ga asobitaiHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

 DaveC wrote:
I decided to back out - it's not a game I'm likely to play (and I'm trying not to back too many new games to add to the ever growing pile )

I was only really getting it for the SDE stuff which makes $100 a bit much as I'm sure the relevant parts will be available cheaper later on in fact all I actually need is the SDE cards as I have all the minis I need to proxy them.

I'm basically at the same spot, except I'm keeping my $1 in the hat. Like you, I am feeling like I may have already backed more than I can play, and the pile is going to be growing rather quickly as previously-backed KS arrive en masse this year.

I was also only really backing for SDE compatibility, which isn't really a SPM goal at this time. I like the minis, and the game isn't obviously flawed, but I do need to do a better job at keeping my spending under control and clearing my backlog.

Same boat here, decided not to back in the end. The miniatures are nice but I don't want them all, and dropping a $100 pledge seems a bit excessive.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
They'll most definitely hit $500k. I could see it falling just short of the $550k goal - but even then they'd probably unlock via pledge manager additions or whatnot.

They are just over $455k with 9 hours to go. Yesterday saw $40k, so they should hit $465k.

Hitting $500k would $5k per hour - a $120k daily pace, that we didn't even see on Day 1 when hype was at its peak.

I think $500k is a bit of a stretch, but I'm sure SPM would love to see my under proven wrong.

It's now $465k with 7.0 hours to go, so pace has increased to $5k per hour. $500k is in sight, but not yet assured.

C'moooon people, Daddy wants his free Moon Princess

(Personally the reason I'm backing this up is mostly for the miniatures... They look so damn cute, I just can't resist them anymore )

They reach Bakusho Mondai, they'll be getting more than a buck from me at that point.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
They'll most definitely hit $500k. I could see it falling just short of the $550k goal - but even then they'd probably unlock via pledge manager additions or whatnot.

They are just over $455k with 9 hours to go. Yesterday saw $40k, so they should hit $465k.

Hitting $500k would $5k per hour - a $120k daily pace, that we didn't even see on Day 1 when hype was at its peak.

I think $500k is a bit of a stretch, but I'm sure SPM would love to see my under proven wrong.

It's now $465k with 7.0 hours to go, so pace has increased to $5k per hour. $500k is in sight, but not yet assured.

'Successful' Kickstarter remain somewhat difficult to predict!

From the KS comments

Creator Soda Pop Miniatures {{count}} minutes ago

No Forgotten King Pledge will be offered in the pledge manager.

Heck, at the rate distributors and retailers are preordering it we may not have it for ourselves, our first print run is almost entirely sold out. So if you want it, I suggest you go preorder it from your friendly local game store before the first print run is gone!

probably not a surprise to experienced KS users on Dakka, but worth passing on just in case (it looks like some in the comments were suggesting it would be a possibility)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
From the KS comments

Creator Soda Pop Miniatures {{count}} minutes ago

No Forgotten King Pledge will be offered in the pledge manager.

Heck, at the rate distributors and retailers are preordering it we may not have it for ourselves, our first print run is almost entirely sold out. So if you want it, I suggest you go preorder it from your friendly local game store before the first print run is gone!

probably not a surprise to experienced KS users on Dakka, but worth passing on just in case (it looks like some in the comments were suggesting it would be a possibility)

I think that is reasonable... The reason you get 30% off retail and free figures is because you gave them cash 10 months earlier and waited. Once your product reaches retail, there isn't much incentive to deep discount for people. Also, the way KS starve the market, I could see companies with trailing infinite pledge managers basically being seen by retailers as a 'feth you' and no incentive to carry their product. So that at least tries to show a commitment to the retailer. (one would hope it would possibly show an eventual world where they can just release gak to retail without a KS and just get full price for it.)

It hasn't gotten quite the bump I was expecting overnight - but I still feel pretty good about hitting $500k.

I'm in for a dollar - but like a lot of people apparently - I'm torn. I do really like a lot of the ninjas/ronin. But I tallied up the number of minis in the elemental master pledge (+ 3-4 of my favorite Ronin) and it's upwards of 90 minis. That's a lot more painting obligation than I'm really looking for atm.

So I'm thinking I'll leave my dollar in and see if I can just get a single clan + ronin (+maybe set of shrine ninja?) +SDE stuff during the pledge manager. If not I'll wait till retail I guess.

Schmapdi wrote:
It hasn't gotten quite the bump I was expecting overnight - but I still feel pretty good about hitting $500k.

I'm in for a dollar - but like a lot of people apparently - I'm torn. I do really like a lot of the ninjas/ronin. But I tallied up the number of minis in the elemental master pledge (+ 3-4 of my favorite Ronin) and it's upwards of 90 minis. That's a lot more painting obligation than I'm really looking for atm.

So I'm thinking I'll leave my dollar in and see if I can just get a single clan + ronin (+maybe set of shrine ninja?) +SDE stuff during the pledge manager. If not I'll wait till retail I guess.

There is a big difference between:
*Asking someone to buy a self contained board game to use with a group
*Asking a Dungeon master to furnish an entire dungeon of miniatures by himself
*Asking someone to buy a single army in a multi-army wargaming system
*Asking someone to buy a single team in a sports arena system.

It really is not quite reasonable to ask someone to buy 4-6 teams for a sports game, when it is reasonable to ask someone to buy a complete boardgame. Just different perspectives from people.

I really think they missed the boat not having a 'base game + 1 clan' or something as that is all most people will need. I suspect a lot of 'in for a dollar' might be 'in for 60$' if they could do base game and a clan.

Considering 2 shrines is 20$, and a full clan is 30$, It looks pretty clear this will be a 2-shrine box retail for around 50$ish. I think expecting people to basically furnish multiple teams in a league-based sports game is a bad model.

Oh well. Let's hope the gameplay is good. I seen all the mathhammer and I am not convinced, and I will probably only toss in for all the ronin *IF* there is a chance of sparkleburst.