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Fantastic model, wow.

I kind of wish they gave the graviton weapon the same rules as the 40k grav weapons for simplicity. The megalascannon, though visually impressive, is basically a pre-nerf single shot non-TL broadside gun and IMO feels like it needs more like a small blast template.

Nah, the 30K grav weapons have always been different from the 40K versions. They've been around longer, too.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Nah, the 30K grav weapons have always been different from the 40K versions. They've been around longer, too.

By about 10,000 years or so?

Yodhrin wrote:Hah, H.B.M.C will be pleased they popped in a wee reference to the RPG.

Honestly, if FW insist on sticking to this "Mechanicum & AdMech are totally different so no Mechanicum stuff in 40K" line, they're total numpties. An IA:13-style book with Skitarii-crewed Guard tanks, SM tanks, Rapiers, Sabres etc plus things like Tarantulas and "relic" versions of the 30K Mechanicum vehicles/robots would make them a nice chunk of change and go a long way towards making the Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus minidexes feel like a proper complete army.

I don't think they'll necessarily go that far. I think there comes some point where they'll just say "if thats what you're representing... allies". I could just see FW give them a rule that simply allows them to take any Imperial vehicle from any other IA book and add a "skitarii or techpriest" crew premium. More likely I could see FW make some additional AdMech units in the vein Enginseers and Techmarines that represent an AdMech presence in those armies.

FW better give us an IA book. Though I bet first FW will incorporate the GW models into their rules first, with add-on kits. We will probably be waiting until HH gets to the Mars book. That said given the special relationship I wouldn't be surprised if FW put the Knight stuff into the same book as mechanicum, since Imperial Knights will hardly ever be something so big as to justify a whole IA book of their own.

From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.

I imagine there will be SOME allowances for 30K Mechanicum use in 40K.

I really like the look of the Solex but three weapons two being huge seems a bit overkill. It seems like it is approaching but not quite the versatility and cost of a Knight not sure what is a better use of points?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I imagine there will be SOME allowances for 30K Mechanicum use in 40K.

Prolly just their tech-thralls and the Triaros, the rest probably be considered too heretical.

PalmerC wrote:
I really like the look of the Solex but three weapons two being huge seems a bit overkill. It seems like it is approaching but not quite the versatility and cost of a Knight not sure what is a better use of points?

I've used three of the older thanatar in my 30k knight list, the Knights are better at CC, move faster, but are easier to kill, T8, 3+, 5++ goes a long way. The plasma 5" templates are awesome as well, a weapon load out the Knights don't have and can't mimic.

I'm going to wait for the bundle to appear of the new Thanatar, not making the same mistake I did last time and pay more buying them separately.

 BrookM wrote:
From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.

You mean you aren't supposed to use volkite to floss your teeth?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.

You mean you aren't supposed to use volkite to floss your teeth?

Nooooo, Volkite is the new way of getting that perfect slice of buttery toast nice and warm.

 BrookM wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.

You mean you aren't supposed to use volkite to floss your teeth?

Nooooo, Volkite is the new way of getting that perfect slice of buttery toast nice and warm.

Well, that explains the high mortality rate among the guard then

 BrookM wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I imagine there will be SOME allowances for 30K Mechanicum use in 40K.

Prolly just their tech-thralls and the Triaros, the rest probably be considered too heretical.

I could see the Krios be included. I picture the robots being included just because FW would want to sell them; all FW has to do is come up with slightly different rules and an explanation why even a few Forge Worlds have them. Thallax are suppose to be an off shoot of Skitarri and don't seem so out of line as to be heretical, maybe just some of their options.

The other possibility for how FW approaches this book, particularly if they wait until after the HH: Mars book will be if they have a dark Mechanicum army list. At that point they could get away with excluding more of the 30k options from the 40k loyalists to push that alternate armylist.

 aka_mythos wrote:

Yodhrin wrote:Hah, H.B.M.C will be pleased they popped in a wee reference to the RPG.

Honestly, if FW insist on sticking to this "Mechanicum & AdMech are totally different so no Mechanicum stuff in 40K" line, they're total numpties. An IA:13-style book with Skitarii-crewed Guard tanks, SM tanks, Rapiers, Sabres etc plus things like Tarantulas and "relic" versions of the 30K Mechanicum vehicles/robots would make them a nice chunk of change and go a long way towards making the Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus minidexes feel like a proper complete army.

I don't think they'll necessarily go that far. I think there comes some point where they'll just say "if thats what you're representing... allies". I could just see FW give them a rule that simply allows them to take any Imperial vehicle from any other IA book and add a "skitarii or techpriest" crew premium. More likely I could see FW make some additional AdMech units in the vein Enginseers and Techmarines that represent an AdMech presence in those armies.

FW better give us an IA book. Though I bet first FW will incorporate the GW models into their rules first, with add-on kits. We will probably be waiting until HH gets to the Mars book. That said given the special relationship I wouldn't be surprised if FW put the Knight stuff into the same book as mechanicum, since Imperial Knights will hardly ever be something so big as to justify a whole IA book of their own.

The problem with the "just ally stuff" line, for me personally, is it affronts my sense of order. Without specific versions with the right crew, neither the Guard Rapiers nor the Marine ones "fit"(the latter too much armour, the former too little BS), same goes for tanks. Your solution could work, but I doubt they'd give us something so broad as they'll doubtless wish to keep "flavour" units like Drop Sentinels and fancified artillery from DKoK more limited outside their specific armies. Plus it'd be nice to see specific entries that include some whackier options; AdMech Rapiers should really have all the flavours, including Grav and the new Solar Aux. multi-multilaser. Also, it'd be nice to see a FW book with a a variant Skitarii list that actually has bloody Objective Secured.

And in relation to the post just above this from you; they don't need an excuse to include the Robots, this idea that there are no loyalist Legio Cybernetica after the Heresy seems to be a fan invention. Maybe stuff like Scyllax and Tech-Thralls wouldn't make it, but the basic Robots shouldn't be an issue, and things like the tracked vehicles, Thanatar, and Thallax should still be around as "relic" units in the same fashion as Sicaran tanks for SM.

Thallax should still be possible in 40K, as they aren't robots. They have (parts) of a human inside them.

Thallax are cyborgs really, so a step up from servitors, I wonder how the Imperium feels about those.

So, yeah, Thanatar Calix ordered. (Ordoed?)

So happy they didn't forget my faction!! edit:even at 345points due to no cortex controllers!

uh, yeah, thallax were mentioned so i'm sticking my nose in....
The creation of thallax is frowned upon

"...although, for some within the mechanicum this skirts the edge of abomination." HH book 1 p270

But attitudes vary wildly during the heresy, but thallax are the Ordo Reductor's 'thing' - expendable shock troops despite the process being a wasteful and tricky one to perform

"Given the resources required, the difficulty of creating a thallax and the fact that an individuals will to live is a factor in whether a useable measure of sanity is retained in the subject..." HH bok 1 p270

I would dearly love to see thallax in 40k proper in the upcoming admech codex but i'm not sure you'd be able to given the deamon (demon? deamon? meh...) presence in the 40k era just waiting to inhabit some corporeal form!
That would cause a failed experiment and as a tech-preist in training, i resent that.

 kronk wrote:
T8 with a big ass gun!

295 is a chuck of points, though.

Points? Where we're going we don't need points. [puts on shades and hovers off in the distance]

I am pretty bored of these automata to be honest, two disappointing weeks of releases in a row.
Edit: For me, my own opinion, not judging yours

I've used three of the older thanatar in my 30k knight list, the Knights are better at CC, move faster, but are easier to kill, T8, 3+, 5++ goes a long way. The plasma 5" templates are awesome as well, a weapon load out the Knights don't have and can't mimic.

I'm going to wait for the bundle to appear of the new Thanatar, not making the same mistake I did last time and pay more buying them separately.

Thanks, yes I have seen the original Thanatar in action and it's pretty scary with the large blast template. I am looking to get a mechanicm bundle too. I am not sure about this current one yet though but I am definitely getting the original load out.

 BrookM wrote:
And a link to the model itself never hurts either: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/THANATAR_CALIX.html

Now that is a sexy robot...

The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.

"...so the hooker-bot says 'thats not my expansion slot!' and my buddy says - 'and thats not my gold-plated 32-pin connector!'..."

 SirDonlad wrote:
The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.

I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.

What does Paragon of Metal do again? Also, doesn't a beast like this require someone with a Cortex Controller to babysit it 24/7?

 BrookM wrote:
What does Paragon of Metal do again? Also, doesn't a beast like this require someone with a Cortex Controller to babysit it 24/7?

Heh, that's exactly what Paragon of Metal is for. In addition to a few other things (like granting IWND and Rampage), it also cancels out the Programmed Behavior rule, so you don't need a babysitter for the Thanatar. Unfortunately, only one model in the army can be given Paragon of Metal.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
What does Paragon of Metal do again? Also, doesn't a beast like this require someone with a Cortex Controller to babysit it 24/7?

Heh, that's exactly what Paragon of Metal is for. In addition to a few other things (like granting IWND and Rampage), it also cancels out the Programmed Behavior rule, so you don't need a babysitter for the Thanatar. Unfortunately, only one model in the army can be given Paragon of Metal.

Ah, cheers!

Jesus jumped up Christ! I MUST have this mechanicus model, even though I'm currently getting rid of my 40k models.

Should be easy enough to shave the Mechanicum icon off it. The lack of skulls all over it helps too.

I can't decide if I want to make a small Mechanicum or Mechanicus army. The benefit of the Mechanicus is that there rules are part of standard 40k, but the Mechanicum are just so damn sexy...

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.

I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.

how does the styrix compare for ranged anti heavy armour? It's a clear gap in the knight list at present, I have to take something else to cope with ceramite and heavy armour.