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 Necros wrote:
I think I'm liking the Squats better than pretty much every other minis they have. Enforcers are mayhaps a close second.

Agreed, quite happy with the basic infantry. I thought I probably would be after the Forge Guard but happily surprised. Which is the only way they got me to put any money into this

Yeah Baragash that sounds better than running a unit of 4 Godhammers just mix them into Stormrage Vets or Steel Warriors more versatile that way.

 DaveC wrote:
It looks a lot like Baneblade Brown, Karak Stone looks a bit too light but it can be hard to tell with different monitors showing slightly different colours.

EDIT: tested some on a spare mini and I'm going with Baneblade Brown.

Thanks Dave. That does look pretty close. Might give it a try regardless since I don't really have anything in that range of color.

Well we just passed the 350k milestone, so that means the special REbs character is unlocked

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looks like funny numbers again, someone is prolly trying to game mantic.

I saw it jump to 352, then down to 349

Well Steel Warriors are getting Drakkarim upgrades after all

This stretch goal adds the Drakkarim options to the Forge Father Steel Warrior sprue, allowing you to field up to four Forge Fathers with Dragon's Breath Flamethrowers – the perfect weapon for clearing the Veer-myn from their tunnels in Exham IV!

When we hit this stretch goal, we will upgrade the sprue to include all of these extra bits, giving you more choice and variety in the types of units you can field, whilst allowing you to field Drakkarim in hard plastic for the very first time.

more add ons

When we hit this stretch goal, we will upgrade the sprue to include all of these extra bits, giving you more choice and variety in the types of units you can field, whilst allowing you to field Drakkarim in hard plastic for the very first time.

Is this a record for latest in a Mantic Campaign Fake Stretch Goal?

It is welcome though - I think that Forge Fathers might end up challenging Enforcers for 'most popular faction' status too!

See GW, there really is a market for well done Space Dwarfs!

There we go, Flamer stretch goal so Steel Warrior sprue covers all the options.

EDIT: d'oh third world internet connection.....

Damn, looks like they might get a ton of my money when this actually is available on the pledge manager. Granted they are getting a fair amount once the plastic abyss is ready too.

I quite like the signs, but $30 is a bit much...

THose terrain add-ons, I'll have to get some in the manager, especially that 5$ xtreme scenery pack. hot damn

That's interesting. So by reading the update, it's not just A Dragon's Breath, it's 4. So you are actually funding an entire other sprue.

I love the options, but the only complaint I have now is will I be able to buy just the body parts? If I get 20+10 from LD, that's gonna be like 3x the weapons as bodies. I know this is nothing new and lots of companies load stuff into the sprues like that, but that is quite the excess.

OR they might be planning on packaging them like that any way if you buy 20. 4 bodies sprues, 2 ea of the weapons sprues. I wouldn't blame them, and it wouldn't offer any lack of options. It will just be interesting to see how this plays out in the end.

 Alpharius wrote:

When we hit this stretch goal, we will upgrade the sprue to include all of these extra bits, giving you more choice and variety in the types of units you can field, whilst allowing you to field Drakkarim in hard plastic for the very first time.

Is this a record for latest in a Mantic Campaign Fake Stretch Goal?

It is welcome though - I think that Forge Fathers might end up challenging Enforcers for 'most popular faction' status too!

See GW, there really is a market for well done Space Dwarfs!

True true $55k in stretch goals for the kit which was probably going to have all those options anyway, $15k is a big ask for 4 more arms.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I quite like the signs, but $30 is a bit much...

My thoughts exactly. Not Mantic's fault though, it's a boutique guy making them.


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I'm betting I can use all those arms for my old plastic and metal dwarves from warpath to spruce them up.

Damn....those forgefathers are looking good. Didn't want to back this but I'm in for $1 and I'll decide later how much I'm in for.

 pretre wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I quite like the signs, but $30 is a bit much...

My thoughts exactly. Not Mantic's fault though, it's a boutique guy making them.


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I'm betting I can use all those arms for my old plastic and metal dwarves from warpath to spruce them up.

It's sprue, not spruce! Oh wait.

decker_cky wrote:
Damn....those forgefathers are looking good. Didn't want to back this but I'm in for $1 and I'll decide later how much I'm in for.

Indeed that's fast becoming my approach to Mantic KS; pledge them all and let the PM sort them out!

I made sure I put in my jerk pledge, because I'm not a team player. Also, doing a KS when a major Star Wars game comes out is a good way to ensure I have no money in the budget to give you; hopefully the PM doesn't fall in the same month as any Armada expansions.

Earth Dragon wrote:
That's interesting. So by reading the update, it's not just A Dragon's Breath, it's 4. So you are actually funding an entire other sprue.

I love the options, but the only complaint I have now is will I be able to buy just the body parts? If I get 20+10 from LD, that's gonna be like 3x the weapons as bodies. I know this is nothing new and lots of companies load stuff into the sprues like that, but that is quite the excess.

OR they might be planning on packaging them like that any way if you buy 20. 4 bodies sprues, 2 ea of the weapons sprues. I wouldn't blame them, and it wouldn't offer any lack of options. It will just be interesting to see how this plays out in the end.

GW is, ironically, being criticized in another dakka thread for providing too many body parts (heads in this case) and not enough multiple weapons.

Earth Dragon wrote:
That's interesting. So by reading the update, it's not just A Dragon's Breath, it's 4. So you are actually funding an entire other sprue.

I love the options, but the only complaint I have now is will I be able to buy just the body parts? If I get 20+10 from LD, that's gonna be like 3x the weapons as bodies. I know this is nothing new and lots of companies load stuff into the sprues like that, but that is quite the excess.

OR they might be planning on packaging them like that any way if you buy 20. 4 bodies sprues, 2 ea of the weapons sprues. I wouldn't blame them, and it wouldn't offer any lack of options. It will just be interesting to see how this plays out in the end.

Just glue the extra weapons to the dog drones.

I was planning to use my man stormrage veterans multibased, if the multibase version ever happens, but I'm cool with them surviving as a militia a bit like the existing Marauder grunts.

It does look like Thorgarim and Godhammer veterans have been left on the cutting room floor though, if the Forge Fathers are complete.

And finally, they've said no KS for a while and I believe them. Corporation and Z'Zor would be nailed on for the Warpath starter, but I'm going to make an educated guess and suggest that Deadzone rules for the Z'Zor and Corporation will be one of those low cost stretch goals between real stretch goals in the Warpath project, with digital rules thrown in or a $5 add on.

The arm/torso poses probably aren't appropriate for Thorgarim. I think that Baragash said that Godhammers were being rolled into Stormrage.

Well Godhammer veterans are just Stormrage veterans with hammers for CC instead of guns. Thorgarim are likewise an all CC hammer unit, so maybe the hammers will be on the sprue as well?

 Alpharius wrote:

When we hit this stretch goal, we will upgrade the sprue to include all of these extra bits, giving you more choice and variety in the types of units you can field, whilst allowing you to field Drakkarim in hard plastic for the very first time.

Is this a record for latest in a Mantic Campaign Fake Stretch Goal?

It is welcome though - I think that Forge Fathers might end up challenging Enforcers for 'most popular faction' status too!

See GW, there really is a market for well done Space Dwarfs!

I buy initial Mantic fake stretch goals, those are pretty obvious.

But I don't buy "fake" tooling goals.
Adding more weapons onto a sprue will increase it's compexity and tooling costs, period. It's not like a 5x8 sprue has a flat fee.
I can easily imagine a base Forge Father sprue with 5 bodies and rifles, the end. Now we're up to needing two sprues, like the Enforcers, with a second sprue containing all the Vets and Drakkarim bits)
It's just straight up true that if you have a Y item that costs X to tool, then adding 50% to Y's quantity will also increase X's cost.

55k for a kit with as much stuff as should be coming with the FF doesn't seem outlandish to me. Not that it matters to me. As long as they don't release the same month as an Armada expansion or a favorite 40k army (like Admech this month) they'll be getting some cash from me.

 Hulksmash wrote:
55k for a kit with as much stuff as should be coming with the FF doesn't seem outlandish to me. Not that it matters to me. As long as they don't release the same month as an Armada expansion or a favorite 40k army (like Admech this month) they'll be getting some cash from me.

Especially as that money is being shared amongst design, development, tooling, manufacture, shipping pallets of those sprues from China to the UK, unpacking labor dollars, repacking labor dollars, and now added dimensional weight to our KS packages

This one still feels like something was either already there or already going to happen, but I'll take it as FF are the only faction I'm interested in from Mantic for Deadzone or Warpath anyway!

It's not that the stretch goal money is unreasonable. It's that Mantic break one stretch goal that should be bigger, such as FF steel warriors with all the options, in to several smaller stretch goals to give the appearance of slam-dunk momentum. For me, it has the opposite effect.

 NTRabbit wrote:
...And finally, they've said no KS for a while and I believe them. ..

Any word on how long "awhile" will be?

Hopefully till they finish the Abyss and Nature Plastics and now the Veermyn, Enforcer, and Forge Fathers plastics. I really want them to finish the stuff that will actually sell in store before they head off on their newest KS.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
55k for a kit with as much stuff as should be coming with the FF doesn't seem outlandish to me. Not that it matters to me. As long as they don't release the same month as an Armada expansion or a favorite 40k army (like Admech this month) they'll be getting some cash from me.

Especially as that money is being shared amongst design, development, tooling, manufacture, shipping pallets of those sprues from China to the UK, unpacking labor dollars, repacking labor dollars, and now added dimensional weight to our KS packages

I think what's hurting them this time is the fact that LD is LOADED with metal and resin. Material cost of the pledge packages is eating up a bit more then usual. BUT you could argue that much of that is absorbed into the larger stretch goals for the metal models as well.

Still, materials from Lockdown packages are gonna take their toll.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
Hopefully till they finish the Abyss and Nature Plastics and now the Veermyn, Enforcer, and Forge Fathers plastics. I really want them to finish the stuff that will actually sell in store before they head off on their newest KS.

The RUMOR is they are going 9 months to a year without touching KS again........we shall see.

These projects, in particular the KoW2 one, has got to be hurting market penetration, something Mantic has struggled with on a local level in the US.

Of our 5 largest markets, I've only heard of New Yorkers knowing places to go pick up Mantic products locally, which is a little sad.

Warpath was slated for 2015 - hard to believe they've moved off of that.