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2015/03/15 07:47:37
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
The sheer amount of content is not enough to fit into movies and 40k is still not popular enough to get the budget for a live-action tv series. I think the most realistic thing would be an animated series, if not, then a graphic novel.
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2015/03/15 08:01:05
Subject: How would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
I'd go with graphic novels first and depending on how that goes, then an animated series.
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2015/03/15 08:27:43
Subject: How would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
It wouldn't work on screen, animated or otherwise, thanks to the scale issues and sheer grand scope of it all. I don't think an animated style would suit the tone, either.
2015/03/15 10:52:26
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
It's a more self-contained set of books, and is basically Indiana Jones/James Bond in the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millenium.
As to what to turn it in to? Now, I enjoy books a great deal, moreso than films or television in most cases, what I'd rather see is GW giving the fluff that get people into the game more of a tabletop presence.
Actual "cast" from Eisenhorn, Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain and the video games; Dawn of War in particular, would no doubt be popular. They experimented with it a little bit back in the Golden Age, and to this day, the Last Chancers and Gaunt's Ghosts models remain crowd pleasers, and they don't even have rules anymore.
Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
2015/03/15 11:05:04
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
I want the Heresy to friggin die. Seriously, this is Warhammer 40k, Grim Darkness in the 41st Millennium. When was the last time a non-Heresy series began? Not a Battle Novel with no plot but an honest to god series that follows some Imperial Guard doing Imperial Guard things? Just end the series and let's get back to 40k again.
2015/03/15 11:08:45
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Universes far more powerful and far more grandoise then 40K have been done in animation.
Maybe not western animation. Anime such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann makes 40K look like Call of Duty in Space, though.
SharkoutofWata wrote: I want the Heresy to friggin die. Seriously, this is Warhammer 40k, Grim Darkness in the 41st Millennium. When was the last time a non-Heresy series began? Not a Battle Novel with no plot but an honest to god series that follows some Imperial Guard doing Imperial Guard things? Just end the series and let's get back to 40k again.
There's over 30 "Imperial Guard doing Imperial Guard things" books between just the Ghost and Cain series', thus not even counting the stand-alone novels like Cadian Blood, Gunheads etc. Heresy-fatigue is pretty understandable, pining for the generic and over-saturated "Guard novel" market that the HH replaced as the Black Library golden goose alludes me though.
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2015/03/15 11:24:39
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Live Action simply for marketing. It'd need to be heavily done by CGI however, as it's pretty much impossible to capture 40K by human actors. You'd need to cut and paste the disembodied head of Mark Strong into Horus' Terminator armor then build actual terminator armor.
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2015/03/15 11:25:25
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
BlaxicanX wrote: Universes far more powerful and far more grandoise then 40K have been done in animation.
Maybe not western animation. Anime such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann makes 40K look like Call of Duty in Space, though.
Do you really think 40k could work as anime, though? I mean, I'm no fan of the style at the best of times, but I certainly don't think it would mesh at all with the grim, grittiness that a 30k series would need.
If it were possible to do a whole series in the style of the DoW/Space Marine cutscenes (where things actually look pretty good) then it could possibly work, but I don't think that that would be doable on anything but a huge budget (at which point you might as well take another aspect of the setting and go Live Action).
2015/03/15 11:26:25
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
BlaxicanX wrote: Universes far more powerful and far more grandoise then 40K have been done in animation.
Maybe not western animation. Anime such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann makes 40K look like Call of Duty in Space, though.
Do you really think 40k could work as anime, though? I mean, I'm no fan of the style at the best of times, but I certainly don't think it would mesh at all with the grim, grittiness that a 30k series would need.
If it were possible to do a whole series in the style of the DoW/Space Marine cutscenes (where things actually look pretty good) then it could possibly work, but I don't think that that would be doable on anything but a huge budget (at which point you might as well take another aspect of the setting and go Live Action).
Um, you clearly haven't watched a lot of anime then. Hellsing Ultimate immediately jumps to mind.
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2015/03/15 11:37:34
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
BlaxicanX wrote: Universes far more powerful and far more grandoise then 40K have been done in animation.
Maybe not western animation. Anime such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann makes 40K look like Call of Duty in Space, though.
Do you really think 40k could work as anime, though? I mean, I'm no fan of the style at the best of times, but I certainly don't think it would mesh at all with the grim, grittiness that a 30k series would need.
If it were possible to do a whole series in the style of the DoW/Space Marine cutscenes (where things actually look pretty good) then it could possibly work, but I don't think that that would be doable on anything but a huge budget (at which point you might as well take another aspect of the setting and go Live Action).
Um, you clearly haven't watched a lot of anime then. Hellsing Ultimate immediately jumps to mind.
No, I haven't; as mentioned, I frankly can't stand the style. I also can't see how it would ever work for the down-to-earth, solid and gritty feel of 30k. It would be like trying to do LotR as a cartoon, and we all know how that worked out.
It's obviously all a matter of opinion, but I can't ever see 40k and anime mixing.
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2015/03/15 11:51:47
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
BlaxicanX wrote: Universes far more powerful and far more grandoise then 40K have been done in animation.
Maybe not western animation. Anime such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann makes 40K look like Call of Duty in Space, though.
Do you really think 40k could work as anime, though? I mean, I'm no fan of the style at the best of times, but I certainly don't think it would mesh at all with the grim, grittiness that a 30k series would need.
If it were possible to do a whole series in the style of the DoW/Space Marine cutscenes (where things actually look pretty good) then it could possibly work, but I don't think that that would be doable on anything but a huge budget (at which point you might as well take another aspect of the setting and go Live Action).
Um, you clearly haven't watched a lot of anime then. Hellsing Ultimate immediately jumps to mind.
No, I haven't; as mentioned, I frankly can't stand the style. I also can't see how it would ever work for the down-to-earth, solid and gritty feel of 30k. It would be like trying to do LotR as a cartoon, and we all know how that worked out.
It's obviously all a matter of opinion, but I can't ever see 40k and anime mixing.
The Horus Heresy is "down to earth" in the same sense that Man of Steel was about a normal human struggling to land a job at a Newspaper.
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2015/03/15 12:10:41
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Paradigm wrote: Do you really think 40k could work as anime, though? I mean, I'm no fan of the style at the best of times, but I certainly don't think it would mesh at all with the grim, grittiness that a 30k series would need.
Potentionally. I haven't seen a whole lot of anime myself, but I've seen some that come pretty close I think. Helsing's art style, while graphic, is a little too goofy- but Black Lagoon has something a bit more akin to grit.
I mean, pretend that umbrella's a bolter and you've basically got a Sisters of Battle.
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2015/03/15 14:10:02
Subject: Re:How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
I feel like you could do smaller team based military action with Gaunts Ghosts, or bladerunner-esque adventuring using Eisenhorn with live action film, maybe CGI films or something.
The only problem is, you'd have to have a really good director and producer with unlimited budget and an honest "good" understanding of the grimdark universe. I think otherwise mostly people just feth it up. I mean Hollywood would immediately throw actors you wouldn't want playing any of the roles in anyways, then skimp on the budget elsewhere.
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2015/03/15 16:00:29
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
I wouldn't want to see it adapted...outside of Warhammer fans I don't think it would have too much appeal. Either you have exposition about things like Chaos, the Warp, the Emperor, etc or you cut that stuff out and risk it being unlike the source material.
Plus (and I must stress that this is personal opinion!) I just don't think the Primarchs, their motivations, or their personalities are that interesting. The action is all very big-budget and world shaking but I find the Primarchs themselves to be pretty dull, thin characters.
The only 40K novel I've read that I thought would make a good film or miniseries was Necropolis. Even then, I wonder if it would work as an explicitly WH40K story, especially since it could be adapted to any old generic sci-fi setting with warring city states. It could even be set on a future Earth with a few name changes. Again, the idea that the bad guys work for this thing called Chaos would need some explaining and (to quote Terry Pratchett) there's a risk of getting into "as you know, your father, the king...." style exposition.
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2015/03/15 16:22:00
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Ravenor is probably the best thing they could adapt for an audiovisual medium the best. You don't need a huge amount of exposition - things like the name-dropped Eldar don't need further explaining, anyone who cares can do the research, and Chaos... well, Chaos as it appears in the book is pretty self-explanatory, since you don't have to worry about Four Gods ad so forth, just the fact that there is something called The Warp, it's used for travel, and Bad Things live there.
Besides, we need more action movies about badasses in wheelchairs.
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2015/03/16 01:42:39
Subject: How would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Exactly. People for some reason are obsessed with "The Heresy would make the greatest movie series ever omgggg". What they are forgetting is that the Horus Heresy has absolutely no context without already knowing the "current" 40K setting (a background which I personally find much more compelling than the primarchs having emo time). Furthermore, up until recently 30K had no models or game, just a few books...unlike the 40K universe which has been more fleshed out.
Making a movie of the Heresy, without first introducing 40K would be like:
Releasing the Star Wars trilogies in chronological order
Starting the Matrix series with the Animatrix
Doing a movie about Krypton prior to all the Superman movies
X-men: First Class before the other X-men movies
Monsters University before Monsters, Inc
The Godfather 2 before The Godfather
The new Star Trek before the old Star Trek
Sure, some of those stories are good on their own, and make for great television. But the emotional drama and suspense comes from the fact that we know how they end.
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2015/03/16 01:44:07
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
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2015/03/16 01:58:49
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Horus Heresy is perfect as a novel and I don't see it as fit for adaptation into any other medium.
I'd much prefer to see Gaunt's Ghosts or Ciaphas Cain made into miniseries or films than I'd want to see HH in anything other than the novels, as much as I enjoy them.
Graphic Novels in the style of Macragge's Honour. Neil Roberts already does all the covers so he might as well be the one the adapt the series. Alternatively, it could focus on events that couldn't be fully covered the novel series.
I'm not a fan of the way he draws facial expressions though
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2015/03/17 11:15:57
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
BlaxicanX wrote: Universes far more powerful and far more grandoise then 40K have been done in animation.
Maybe not western animation. Anime such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann makes 40K look like Call of Duty in Space, though.
Do you really think 40k could work as anime, though? I mean, I'm no fan of the style at the best of times, but I certainly don't think it would mesh at all with the grim, grittiness that a 30k series would need.
If it were possible to do a whole series in the style of the DoW/Space Marine cutscenes (where things actually look pretty good) then it could possibly work, but I don't think that that would be doable on anything but a huge budget (at which point you might as well take another aspect of the setting and go Live Action).
Um, you clearly haven't watched a lot of anime then. Hellsing Ultimate immediately jumps to mind.
Ugh, can't stand dubbed anime. But yea, there's lots of gritty anime/manga out there. Have you guys heard of Blame!? The art style would fit really well with anything Mechanicum related, would work for Great Crusade stuff as well.
There's also the manga version of Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, by none other than Hayao Miyazaki. which for me is the holy grail of... well pretty much anything. It's also the ultimate post apocalyptic setting (and yes, it's got heads exploding, humans vomitting blood after breathing miasma, giant insects tearing humans to pieces, forced migration, genocide, bioweapons, etc - this is by the same guy who made My Neighbor Totoro and Spirted Away!).
It also touches on themes of religion, reincarnation, and so on, with some scenes very reminiscent of the insidious influence of Chaos and it invading dreams and such.
Thematically, it's actually very similar to the Pilgrimage of Lorgar (as seen in The First Heretic).
Here some pictures to give the general feel of it but they really don't do the series justice:
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And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
My hands. They, too, are golden.
2015/03/17 16:39:30
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Live action is near immpossible, but with how recent sci fi series have been painfully over dramatized and dragged out, I would love to see the grit in a trilogy or something similar.
Anime styles do exist that could match what we need, but the genre in general would be a turn off to many fans, and we really don't need the potential for an animu reputation for something as awesome as the HH Lorgar pulling on Horus's arm; "Horus-chan, please be heretical with me >~<"
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2015/03/18 02:10:28
Subject: Re:How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
Yea, I don't think 40k would work that well as an anime. All the marines and so on are all doped up and beefed out in more of a western style. I was just giving examples of gritty anime because they do exist and are kinda a staple - I mean Ghost in the Shell, hello? Wait, actually the Ghost in the Shell style would work for 40k.
Still, I think a graphic novel series in the style of Macragge's Honour would be best for 40k.
And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
My hands. They, too, are golden.
2015/03/18 16:48:19
Subject: How Would You Like To See The Horus Heresy Series Adapted?
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Khan Bikes Win 63-1-1 
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