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 lord_blackfang wrote:


2) I don't give a flying feth about your income, get a real job.

But if people followed this advice woudn't there be a severe lack of quality YouTube channels, therefore making the site a lot worse.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

I can't think of a reason to ever have it on on Youtube

The irritating and usually wildly inappropriate adverts that play at the start of most videos? I don't get them anymore.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


2) I don't give a flying feth about your income, get a real job.

But if people followed this advice woudn't there be a severe lack of quality YouTube channels, therefore making the site a lot worse.

It would drive off every loser trying to make a quick buck by imitating the greats, leaving only people who make videos out of passion. Like it used to be.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I work for a publishing company that writes and publishes factual and entertainment websites and makes money from selling the ad impressions that are served when people look at our journalism.

Only we don't make nearly so much money now as a few years ago because so many readers are using ad blockers that we cannot serve the ad impressions we are trying to sell to advertisers. It is real impressions that we sell to advertisers, not imaginary impressions.

This is having the effect of reducing the amount of money we have to spend on journalism.

Can't say I'm shedding tears over profits lost due to the company's inability to spam the utter living gak out of my computer's screen...

One prime example: Twitch.tv has ads that require you to mute them with a button INSIDE the ad. Even muting the stream doesn't do anything, you have to manually click it in order to mute the ad so the companies can check that you really watched the ad. That's incredibly insulting for any customer as you are forced to watch a (very loud and annoying) ad. Use Adblock and donate directly to the video producer. It's the best solution for everyone.

I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand I would like to see those sites that I frequent do well, and ads may help these sites remain financially viable. On the other I despise intrusive ads, and controversial articles with the intention of acting as click bait.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:

I can't think of a reason to ever have it on on Youtube

The irritating and usually wildly inappropriate adverts that play at the start of most videos? I don't get them anymore.

You can't sit through at most a 3 and a half minute video (or even do something else whilst it plays) so that the creator of the content you watch can get money? What part of it is so difficult that you need to remove it altogether? Get up and get a drink or go to the toilet, mute your headset or speakers, look at something else whilst the advert plays. I can't see what makes that advert such a huge inconvenience.

I had never heard of it until now.

I don't sit and watch as many Youtube videos as I used to, so I wouldn't bother with it. However, I don't have a moral objection on it's use.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

You can't sit through at most a 3 and a half minute video (or even do something else whilst it plays) so that the creator of the content you watch can get money?

Of course I can but why would I watch something crass and irritating for a product that I will have no interest in? Similarly I only watch TV programmes on demand or I pirate them as they are then blessedly advert free. Selfish? Perhaps but at least I don't have my time wasted quite as much now.

I loathe and despise advertising, luckily for me there are now ways to remove it from my life to at least some degree.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

You can't sit through at most a 3 and a half minute video (or even do something else whilst it plays) so that the creator of the content you watch can get money? What part of it is so difficult that you need to remove it altogether? Get up and get a drink or go to the toilet, mute your headset or speakers, look at something else whilst the advert plays. I can't see what makes that advert such a huge inconvenience.

Thats not a moral argument. You could equally argue it is more moral as the ad company is not giving money to someone when they get nothing for it, as they would in the case of walking off.

Its a pure business choice. The person using ad blocker is making a choice available to them, quite legally. If this is not a financially viable model from the point of view of the content creator then they need to review their model. This is not the same as piracy where you are circumventing the model, you are just being upfront about not watching the adverts. People might not use it so much if companies would stop adverts that are intentionally intrusive. I don't mind adverts that appear at the side of the page, or start of a video, but once they start covering text or covering half the film then they can piss off.

It might be immoral, but I would have a really hard time feeling bad about it. Ads were simply out of control and switching on Ad block improved my experience so much. There was one page I went to that would occasionally brake from playing ads. They were more focused with make sure you watched the Ads then making sure their page worked. The bit I feel a little guilty about is that adblock is always on now so it basically punishes every page for the actions of a few. Oh the other hand, the internet is just so much nicer with adblock.

I whitelists ads for sites that I go to often, and which I know have fairly unintrusive ads. Fark.com is a great example of this - they don't allow autoplay ads, NSFW, ads that expand, or ads with sound. I once had an autoplay ad on the site and hit "report" out of curiousity, and I got an email from the admins within 15 minutes saying they've removed it from the rotation.

I'm not averse to ads in general but there is definitely a point where my desire to see you profit for your content is offset by my need to have a safe and pleasurable browsing experience. So, on the vast majority of sites I go to, adblock is on.

Pay where you play...

If you want that "free" YT or Twitch content then support the content creators by either watching the ads or buying their merch/donating to their Patreon.

While I think a 3 minute ad is too much for a 15 minute video, a 20 second soot won't kill you. Go grab some tea and let them get that ad revenue.

I adblock all websites except white listed ones because I'd rather not get some terrible virus or malware due to an ad.

I used adblock to get around ads on Crunchyroll (discovered this by accident) but still sat through ads on their mobile app. Finally subscribed because I was doing more mobile watching than PC watching.

Hulu is the vile corporate overlord for giving ads to their premium subscribers.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ads are the highest security risk to any PC

I respectfully disagree. The highest security risk to any PC is the user himself/herself . Ads will not be able to do anything more than the rest of the webpage.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I read/watched something a while back about music artists and how much money they are making.... Signing contracts with Vevo (Vivo??), Pandora and the like are really, REALLY not good for the band members. The BAND as a whole makes around 1 album's worth of money (12-15 bucks in the US would get you a hard copy CD at most stores), from around 8 million views/listens.... Think about it, Lamb of God, a notable metal band's "official" Vevo video of their song, "Laid to Rest" has been viewed just over 4 million times. Based on that math, the band has made between 6 and 7 bucks. There's 4 dudes in that band, plus theres management fees, taxes, studio times that are probably not free, etc.

Is the aim of the music video to make money, or to promote the band? I am pretty sure the objective of signing with Vevo is not to get more money from your music video, just to be much more discoverable. In other word, it is a bit like advertisement, except they do get a few pennies out of it .

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I don't know for certain, but I'd imagine that those youtube "celebrities" with their video blogs and crap are probably paid along the same lines as musical acts, where they are making literally less than a penny per view.

They do not have to pay Vevo. And some, like Freddie Wong, sure seems to be making some money out of it.

 Sigvatr wrote:
One prime example: Twitch.tv has ads that require you to mute them with a button INSIDE the ad. Even muting the stream doesn't do anything, you have to manually click it in order to mute the ad so the companies can check that you really watched the ad. That's incredibly insulting for any customer as you are forced to watch a (very loud and annoying) ad. Use Adblock and donate directly to the video producer. It's the best solution for everyone.

Why use Adblock? If you pay the video producer, you usually get the stream without any ads. At least it works that way for Ogaming TV.


Does anyone knows an AdBlock equivalent where you can just have a blacklist of websites where the ads are blocked, rather than a whitelist? I generally like to either go with the ads or boycott the website if they use overly annoying ads, but there are a very few exceptions. For instance I really like to read some of Armin Arefi's articles, but the website of the newspaper he writes for has the worst ads, with video, sound, stuff popping above the text and all that gak.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ads are the highest security risk to any PC

I respectfully disagree. The highest security risk to any PC is the user himself/herself . Ads will not be able to do anything more than the rest of the webpage.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I read/watched something a while back about music artists and how much money they are making.... Signing contracts with Vevo (Vivo??), Pandora and the like are really, REALLY not good for the band members. The BAND as a whole makes around 1 album's worth of money (12-15 bucks in the US would get you a hard copy CD at most stores), from around 8 million views/listens.... Think about it, Lamb of God, a notable metal band's "official" Vevo video of their song, "Laid to Rest" has been viewed just over 4 million times. Based on that math, the band has made between 6 and 7 bucks. There's 4 dudes in that band, plus theres management fees, taxes, studio times that are probably not free, etc.

Is the aim of the music video to make money, or to promote the band? I am pretty sure the objective of signing with Vevo is not to get more money from your music video, just to be much more discoverable. In other word, it is a bit like advertisement, except they do get a few pennies out of it .

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I don't know for certain, but I'd imagine that those youtube "celebrities" with their video blogs and crap are probably paid along the same lines as musical acts, where they are making literally less than a penny per view.

They do not have to pay Vevo. And some, like Freddie Wong, sure seems to be making some money out of it.

 Sigvatr wrote:
One prime example: Twitch.tv has ads that require you to mute them with a button INSIDE the ad. Even muting the stream doesn't do anything, you have to manually click it in order to mute the ad so the companies can check that you really watched the ad. That's incredibly insulting for any customer as you are forced to watch a (very loud and annoying) ad. Use Adblock and donate directly to the video producer. It's the best solution for everyone.

Why use Adblock? If you pay the video producer, you usually get the stream without any ads. At least it works that way for Ogaming TV.


Does anyone knows an AdBlock equivalent where you can just have a blacklist of websites where the ads are blocked, rather than a whitelist? I generally like to either go with the ads or boycott the website if they use overly annoying ads, but there are a very few exceptions. For instance I really like to read some of Armin Arefi's articles, but the website of the newspaper he writes for has the worst ads, with video, sound, stuff popping above the text and all that gak.

Actually, for instance everyone signed up with Polaris (guys like Totalbiscuit and the like) have to give a 45% cut of their ad money to YT, THEN Polaris (or whatever other network they are signed with) takes a cut (I think something like 8% but I doubt they have disclosed this) and the rest is what the content creator actually receives. So, yes, they certainly do have to give Vevo and other networks like it a cut.

I have no idea what Polaris is. I know Vevo only.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no idea what Polaris is. I know Vevo only.

A Youtube network, just like Vevo, machinima etc. Polaris is owned by Maker studios, which in turn is owned by Disney. (yes, this means Totalbiscuit works for Disney.)

And what do they bring exactly? Money/infrastructure to create the video?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
And what do they bring exactly? Money/infrastructure to create the video?

pretty much. I watched most of the guys and gals from Polaris before Polaris was a thing, and I feel like Polaris killed whatever they had going for them. Sure, they're more popular than ever but the quality is in the toilet compared to where it used to be.
Polaris is pretty much what Miramax used to be. It was super cool and indie then got so lost up its own ass that it can't find the way out.

I see it like this: If I saw the ads, I wouldnt click on them, wouldnt buy what theyre trying to sell, and would just ignore them. So why should I waste my time ignoring them if I could just turn on adblock?
Theyre getting the same thing out of me theyd usually would (complete disinterest) while I get to save some time.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
And what do they bring exactly? Money/infrastructure to create the video?

pretty much. I watched most of the guys and gals from Polaris before Polaris was a thing, and I feel like Polaris killed whatever they had going for them. Sure, they're more popular than ever but the quality is in the toilet compared to where it used to be.
Polaris is pretty much what Miramax used to be. It was super cool and indie then got so lost up its own ass that it can't find the way out.

Ehm, you are aware that they always were with Polaris right? It just used to be called The Game Station. The network was always there.

Formerly known as The Game Station, Polaris is Maker's sub-network for video game culture.[42] It includes channels such as PewDiePie, KSIOlajidebt, Vegetta777, Alexby11, UberHaxorNova, Chuggaaconroy, Markiplier, Dodger, Jesse Cox, SomeOrdinaryGamers, The Yogscast, Game Grumps, Totalbiscuit, Angry Joe, Rabbidluigi, Wartek, Wowcrendor, The Creatures, TheRunawayGuys, Shofu, Jontron, Egoraptor, Larry Bundy, Jr, Stampylonghead, IBallisticSquid, CaptainSparklez, ModernWarNegro, and AshleyMarieeGaming.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I work for a publishing company that writes and publishes factual and entertainment websites and makes money from selling the ad impressions that are served when people look at our journalism.

Only we don't make nearly so much money now as a few years ago because so many readers are using ad blockers that we cannot serve the ad impressions we are trying to sell to advertisers. It is real impressions that we sell to advertisers, not imaginary impressions.

This is having the effect of reducing the amount of money we have to spend on journalism.

Can't say I'm shedding tears over profits lost due to the company's inability to spam the utter living gak out of my computer's screen...

You may when the websites you enjoy reading shut down because they can't afford to operate.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
And what do they bring exactly? Money/infrastructure to create the video?

pretty much. I watched most of the guys and gals from Polaris before Polaris was a thing, and I feel like Polaris killed whatever they had going for them. Sure, they're more popular than ever but the quality is in the toilet compared to where it used to be.
Polaris is pretty much what Miramax used to be. It was super cool and indie then got so lost up its own ass that it can't find the way out.

Ehm, you are aware that they always were with Polaris right? It just used to be called The Game Station. The network was always there.

Formerly known as The Game Station, Polaris is Maker's sub-network for video game culture.[42] It includes channels such as PewDiePie, KSIOlajidebt, Vegetta777, Alexby11, UberHaxorNova, Chuggaaconroy, Markiplier, Dodger, Jesse Cox, SomeOrdinaryGamers, The Yogscast, Game Grumps, Totalbiscuit, Angry Joe, Rabbidluigi, Wartek, Wowcrendor, The Creatures, TheRunawayGuys, Shofu, Jontron, Egoraptor, Larry Bundy, Jr, Stampylonghead, IBallisticSquid, CaptainSparklez, ModernWarNegro, and AshleyMarieeGaming.

If I remember correctly, not all of the channels were originally part of the network (I'm thinking Dodger, Jesse Cox, Crendor and some others). I may be completely misremembering things. whatever the case, I just became totally disinterested when it turned into Polaris.

 Kilkrazy wrote:


You may when the websites you enjoy reading shut down because they can't afford to operate.

Then they should get less annoying ads. As time has gone on, internet ads have only become more and more obstructive and annoying. More than enough that if a site closes for it, not matter how much I like said site, I just can't endure the constant blast of annoying, loud, and obstructive. They literally make websites worse.

I think every app should be one for Victoria's Secret in which two gorgeous women are making out wearing nothing but VS apparel. I'd support the watching of those ads!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I think every app should be one for Victoria's Secret in which two gorgeous women are making out wearing nothing but VS apparel. I'd support the watching of those ads!

I would buy a candy bar if it was marketed in this manner.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
And what do they bring exactly? Money/infrastructure to create the video?

pretty much. I watched most of the guys and gals from Polaris before Polaris was a thing, and I feel like Polaris killed whatever they had going for them. Sure, they're more popular than ever but the quality is in the toilet compared to where it used to be.
Polaris is pretty much what Miramax used to be. It was super cool and indie then got so lost up its own ass that it can't find the way out.

Ehm, you are aware that they always were with Polaris right? It just used to be called The Game Station. The network was always there.

Formerly known as The Game Station, Polaris is Maker's sub-network for video game culture.[42] It includes channels such as PewDiePie, KSIOlajidebt, Vegetta777, Alexby11, UberHaxorNova, Chuggaaconroy, Markiplier, Dodger, Jesse Cox, SomeOrdinaryGamers, The Yogscast, Game Grumps, Totalbiscuit, Angry Joe, Rabbidluigi, Wartek, Wowcrendor, The Creatures, TheRunawayGuys, Shofu, Jontron, Egoraptor, Larry Bundy, Jr, Stampylonghead, IBallisticSquid, CaptainSparklez, ModernWarNegro, and AshleyMarieeGaming.

If I remember correctly, not all of the channels were originally part of the network (I'm thinking Dodger, Jesse Cox, Crendor and some others). I may be completely misremembering things. whatever the case, I just became totally disinterested when it turned into Polaris.

Yeah they were, Husky was one of the founders and got everyone involved with TGS. TotalBiscuit got Jesse in from the WoW days.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
And what do they bring exactly? Money/infrastructure to create the video?

pretty much. I watched most of the guys and gals from Polaris before Polaris was a thing, and I feel like Polaris killed whatever they had going for them. Sure, they're more popular than ever but the quality is in the toilet compared to where it used to be.
Polaris is pretty much what Miramax used to be. It was super cool and indie then got so lost up its own ass that it can't find the way out.

Ehm, you are aware that they always were with Polaris right? It just used to be called The Game Station. The network was always there.

Formerly known as The Game Station, Polaris is Maker's sub-network for video game culture.[42] It includes channels such as PewDiePie, KSIOlajidebt, Vegetta777, Alexby11, UberHaxorNova, Chuggaaconroy, Markiplier, Dodger, Jesse Cox, SomeOrdinaryGamers, The Yogscast, Game Grumps, Totalbiscuit, Angry Joe, Rabbidluigi, Wartek, Wowcrendor, The Creatures, TheRunawayGuys, Shofu, Jontron, Egoraptor, Larry Bundy, Jr, Stampylonghead, IBallisticSquid, CaptainSparklez, ModernWarNegro, and AshleyMarieeGaming.

If I remember correctly, not all of the channels were originally part of the network (I'm thinking Dodger, Jesse Cox, Crendor and some others). I may be completely misremembering things. whatever the case, I just became totally disinterested when it turned into Polaris.

Yeah they were, Husky was one of the founders and got everyone involved with TGS. TotalBiscuit got Jesse in from the WoW days.

Must've completely misremembered that. Boy do I feel dumb

At this point I think I might just install ad blocker. The kinds of advertisements youtube shows me is just insulting, it's all weight or hairloss related, like youtube thinks I'm a fat bald guy. If it's not that then it's some terrible new age deepak chopra style crap pushing a book or a pill.

I think I prefer it when it's more targeted to the content I'm watching, IE adds for photographic or video stuff if I'm watching a channel dedicated to such things. Youtube is all over the map though.

Maybe you should just ignore the adverts?

It has the same result as installing an ad blocker except that the web site you like to read receives the advertising income and can continue to operate.