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Hey guys,

So my necron warlord and unit gain crusader special rule from warlord trait, I was in a LOSING combat and was wondering if I could use crusader to add d3 to my sweeping advance roll, or is it just for the winning side?

"When a unit falls back from combat the victors make a Sweeping Advance, attempting to cut down their fleeing foes.

When a Sweeping Advance is performed, both the unt Falling Back and the winning unit roll a d6 and add their unmodified Initiative to the result."

Thanks

The losers aren't making Sweeping Advance rolls.

Or, better worded, it's the winner that's performing the sweeping advance. Since the loser isn't performing it, the loser doesn't get the bonus.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The losers aren't making Sweeping Advance rolls.

That is incorrect. Both winners and losers of CC make a D6 roll
Sweeping Advance is a test roll between both sides of a CC fight.

To the OP, yes the Crusader rule gives a D3 to add to your total

According to pg 53 only the winner of the assault makes a sweeping advance, though both winner and loser roll a d6. I can't see the rules supporting the loser adding a d3 to their result, as they aren't the ones make the sweeping advance.

Having just re-read sweeping advance and crusader I gotta side with 40k-noob.

When a seeping advance is performed both sides determine a total. I can only describe this as a "sweeping advance total" even if you are the unit falling back. Crusader definitely adds D3 to your sweeping advance totals, and has no requirement for you to have won combat.

 DJGietzen wrote:
Having just re-read sweeping advance and crusader I gotta side with 40k-noob.

When a seeping advance is performed both sides determine a total. I can only describe this as a "sweeping advance total" even if you are the unit falling back. Crusader definitely adds D3 to your sweeping advance totals, and has no requirement for you to have won combat.

It is only the winner making as sweeping advance, the loser is only required to roll a d6 to see how far they run. Its like when a tank performs a ram against another tank, only one tank is ramming but both have actions to perform. Only one is sweeping advance, the other is just a required action of that sweeping advance.

Wow, i had no idea that Crusader worked in that way, but it makes sense. Here are the rules, Crusader:
"In addition, a unit that contains at least one model with this special rule adds D3 to its Sweeping Advance totals (roll each time)."

What is a "Sweeping Advance total"?
"When a Sweeping Advance is performed, both the unit Falling Back and the winning unit roll a D6 and add their unmodified Initiative to the result."

"making a fall back move" is definitely not within a "Sweeping Advance total", so as the others have said, this must be a D3 added to the D6 and initiative above.

Both sides roll, and this is a "Sweeping Advance total" regardless which side you're on.... So yes, crusader works for any Sweeping Advance roll.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Wow, i had no idea that Crusader worked in that way, but it makes sense. Here are the rules, Crusader:
"In addition, a unit that contains at least one model with this special rule adds D3 to its Sweeping Advance totals (roll each time)."

What is a "Sweeping Advance total"?
"When a Sweeping Advance is performed, both the unit Falling Back and the winning unit roll a D6 and add their unmodified Initiative to the result."

"making a fall back move" is definitely not within a "Sweeping Advance total", so as the others have said, this must be a D3 added to the D6 and initiative above.

Both sides roll, and this is a "Sweeping Advance total" regardless which side you're on.... So yes, crusader works for any Sweeping Advance roll.

Hmm.
This rule just became much more useful.

 Harial89 wrote:

 DJGietzen wrote:
Having just re-read sweeping advance and crusader I gotta side with 40k-noob.

When a seeping advance is performed both sides determine a total. I can only describe this as a "sweeping advance total" even if you are the unit falling back. Crusader definitely adds D3 to your sweeping advance totals, and has no requirement for you to have won combat.

It is only the winner making as sweeping advance, the loser is only required to roll a d6 to see how far they run. Its like when a tank performs a ram against another tank, only one tank is ramming but both have actions to perform. Only one is sweeping advance, the other is just a required action of that sweeping advance.

No, the loser rolling isn't rolling a d6 to see how far they run - because you don't add your initiative to the distance roll.

The Winner makes a Sweeping Advance. When a Sweeping Advance occurs, both parties calculate a Sweeping Advance Total. This is done by rolling a D6 and adding the highest Initiative in the unit. For Units with a Crusader model, this is done by rolling a D6 and adding the highest Initiative in the unit AND then adding another D3.

Crusader doesn't require that you perform a Sweeping Advance. It doesn't require that you win combat. It only requires you to be calculating a Sweeping Advance Total.

Crusader has become so much more useful than i ever thought it was... Although the enemy or you would still have to fail morale, and it only means you have a better chance of fleeing or wiping the enemy. So it's not THAT amazing.... lol