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 SpookyBoogie wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Those aren't actually bad examples. They have flash and a large number of vents but at least they don't have bubbles the size of a figures head obliterating detail. Or missing or twisted sprues. The first NIB finecast model I ever saw opened was a space marine librarian with half the head of the staff missing due to a bubble along with part of the book that goes on his hump miscast and unfixable.

I always wonder if any sort of QC exists for Finecast they can't possibly be checking them and saying "Well the feet are twisted and gnarled like a terrier had it's way with them and the face has a giant bubble on it but it's a pass!"

I'm assuming they're an equal opportunity employer who hires blind people to QC for them.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SpookyBoogie wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Those aren't actually bad examples. They have flash and a large number of vents but at least they don't have bubbles the size of a figures head obliterating detail. Or missing or twisted sprues. The first NIB finecast model I ever saw opened was a space marine librarian with half the head of the staff missing due to a bubble along with part of the book that goes on his hump miscast and unfixable.

I always wonder if any sort of QC exists for Finecast they can't possibly be checking them and saying "Well the feet are twisted and gnarled like a terrier had it's way with them and the face has a giant bubble on it but it's a pass!"

I'm assuming they're an equal opportunity employer who hires blind people to QC for them.

Blind people would probably be a damn good QC for Finecast. Finding all the bubbles and holes would be like the inverse of Braille, so it should be easy as hell for them.

My two most recent purchases were a thunder fire cannon and Calgar with honor-guard. Thunderfire cannon went together pretty easy with only minor shaving needed to make the cannon barrel fit flush - the tech marine is beautiful - one of my favorite pieces yet. Calgar and retinue are also beautiful - only small bubbles on a few shoulder pads around the edges - look like bullet holes - I'm just leaving them but a little green stuff and it's good to go. For a serious modeler these are normal things to make a model look great anyways. These two kits totally changed my opinion on fine cast. I think it's possible they got better over the years. Maybe now they are just ridding themselves of the name because of it's stigma.

 SpookyBoogie wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Those aren't actually bad examples. They have flash and a large number of vents but at least they don't have bubbles the size of a figures head obliterating detail. Or missing or twisted sprues. The first NIB finecast model I ever saw opened was a space marine librarian with half the head of the staff missing due to a bubble along with part of the book that goes on his hump miscast and unfixable.

I always wonder if any sort of QC exists for Finecast they can't possibly be checking them and saying "Well the feet are twisted and gnarled like a terrier had it's way with them and the face has a giant bubble on it but it's a pass!"

There was a meme for that (although the pic has since been deleted from photobucket but lives on in google's servers as a thumbnail)...

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SpookyBoogie wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Those aren't actually bad examples. They have flash and a large number of vents but at least they don't have bubbles the size of a figures head obliterating detail. Or missing or twisted sprues. The first NIB finecast model I ever saw opened was a space marine librarian with half the head of the staff missing due to a bubble along with part of the book that goes on his hump miscast and unfixable.

I always wonder if any sort of QC exists for Finecast they can't possibly be checking them and saying "Well the feet are twisted and gnarled like a terrier had it's way with them and the face has a giant bubble on it but it's a pass!"

I'm assuming they're an equal opportunity employer who hires blind people to QC for them.

Blind people would probably be a damn good QC for Finecast. Finding all the bubbles and holes would be like the inverse of Braille, so it should be easy as hell for them.

That's assuming they were allowed to actually touch the models they're inspecting though. That's far too intelligent for GW.

 Xenomancers wrote:
I think it's possible they got better over the years. Maybe now they are just ridding themselves of the name because of it's stigma.

They definitely got better but that's not hard to do when you look at their starting point. A 3 year old dog turd smells better than a fresh one but that still doesn't make it a golden egg. The tau model I just did had roughly 3 areas of small bubbles with one not fixable (obscures details) that is covered by the pose, one easily fixable and acceptable, and another that is potentially fixable but requires me to make a sharp corner from liquid green stuff. YMMV but I won't be sad to see it go but I suspect as mentioned by others before that the material and method aren't going away but rather just the "Finecast" label/branding from packages. We'll likely keep seeing the same (quality of) models in resin just without the



logo on the box.

 sing your life wrote:
I actually have to honestly see this bad news IMO.

The plastic clampack models are so characterless and overpriced that even with finecast being pretty gakky it was and is still far, far better than what we have now.

As I stated in my earlier post above, I find the new plastic Commissar to be extremely inferior to the Failcast/metal ones. However, I still think they have done many good plastic models and I'd much rather have a good character in plastic. My main beef with the new plastic characters is the absurd price tag.

The BA priest is a beautiful model, so is the BA librarian. The entire Harlequin character range is gorgeous. The SW and Ork characters from the deathclaw box were also good looking models.
Besides, it's not like the Failcast/metal range didn't have awfull sculpts either, it's simply a case of hit & miss as always. One week we have amazing nurgle blight knights, the next we have marine teletubbies centurions. As with characters; one week we have BA priest, the other week we have totem-faced Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun with a price tag that's not even funny.

 Zewrath wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
I actually have to honestly see this bad news IMO.

The plastic clampack models are so characterless and overpriced that even with finecast being pretty gakky it was and is still far, far better than what we have now.

As I stated in my earlier post above, I find the new plastic Commissar to be extremely inferior to the Failcast/metal ones. However, I still think they have done many good plastic models and I'd much rather have a good character in plastic. My main beef with the new plastic characters is the absurd price tag.

The BA priest is a beautiful model, so is the BA librarian. The entire Harlequin character range is gorgeous. The SW and Ork characters from the deathclaw box were also good looking models.
Besides, it's not like the Failcast/metal range didn't have awfull sculpts either, it's simply a case of hit & miss as always. One week we have amazing nurgle blight knights, the next we have marine teletubbies centurions. As with characters; one week we have BA priest, the other week we have totem-faced Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun with a price tag that's not even funny.

I honestly like the new centurion models. Then again I like big hulky stuff like that. I also really like the new plastic wraithgard compared to the old crappy metal ones.

Great! Fine cast has taken me off buying some cool characters. I simply refused to pay for such subpar material.

Wonder to what will happen to thinls like squig hoppers and such. Theres plenty of stuff in finecast these days.

Finecast is to brittle for me. Details and fingers breaking of, small stuf that cant easily be fixed or glued on. Faces look ugly and sunk in.
And weapons either break or bend in storage.

Just a couple of weeks ago I got some old metal inquisitorial henchmen from a local store that still have some metal behind the counter.
It was weird how much I enjoyed those models compared to finecast.
Its sad, really, when I think sbout it.

Edit: but then again, I have friends that hate metal models with a passion; the chipped paint, the glueing together, the lack of converting possibilities, etc, and so forth.

Extremely good news if ture (and I think it is do to the fact that GW dont do new failcast modells) time to bring out the champagne and celebrate

"finecast" is the biggest mistake GW have done !
even the "good" finecast modells are bad ..I mean when "chinaforge" make better copys of the original is bad ..really bad

All the bubbels ..some small ones only show when you paint the modells ..the soft material ..all thin weapons brake, you cant defend that ..not at the price they asking

glad they ditch the embarrassing excuse for a "best modells"

Plastic , better resin , metal ..I dont care nothing can be worse then this !

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
I actually have to honestly see this bad news IMO.

The plastic clampack models are so characterless and overpriced that even with finecast being pretty gakky it was and is still far, far better than what we have now.

As I stated in my earlier post above, I find the new plastic Commissar to be extremely inferior to the Failcast/metal ones. However, I still think they have done many good plastic models and I'd much rather have a good character in plastic. My main beef with the new plastic characters is the absurd price tag.

The BA priest is a beautiful model, so is the BA librarian. The entire Harlequin character range is gorgeous. The SW and Ork characters from the deathclaw box were also good looking models.
Besides, it's not like the Failcast/metal range didn't have awfull sculpts either, it's simply a case of hit & miss as always. One week we have amazing nurgle blight knights, the next we have marine teletubbies centurions. As with characters; one week we have BA priest, the other week we have totem-faced Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun with a price tag that's not even funny.

I honestly like the new centurion models. Then again I like big hulky stuff like that. I also really like the new plastic wraithgard compared to the old crappy metal ones.

Yeah, I must admit that they DevCents have grown on me after I assembled them. The assault variant on the other hand, with the oversized pepper grinders on their wrists... *shudders*

My only issue with the assault centurions was the bare heads. They don't need to be in the kit. At all.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
My only issue with the assault centurions was the bare heads. They don't need to be in the kit. At all.

Argueably bare heads should never be a kit option (save maybe Space Wolves because good luck trying to fit that much beard into a helmet!).

Good riddance Finecast, all hail its replacement Finercast.

 agnosto wrote:
Good riddance Finecast, all hail its replacement Finercast.

Have an exalt sir, you win at internet.

@KaptinBadrukk -- I actually have one of those Finecast Hive Tyrant BNIB lol.

I prefer plastic models to finecast equivalents in probably 19 out of 20 models, and I think the plastic versions are easier to work with overall in every case.

However, the example of the Fire Dragon, or Urien Rakkarth (I have both in finecast) I actually don't mind the aspects of finecast that you mentioned at all. With the Fire Dragon, I snip all of the connection points with a pair of sprue cutters, about 2mm from the model. Then, I take a No. 11 knife and cut it down flush, lightly filing where necessary. I find that Finecast is actually much easier to de-sprue and remove mold lines than plastic, because a sharp knife cleanly slices it so easily.

I will say that if your method is to just snip everything off the sprue as closely to the model as possible and paint it, finecast is definitely a horrible material.

With Urien Rakkarth, I dunno; I don't really see anything special about taking it off the sprue. I guess I've been desensitized If you want to pick out a better example, I think Grotesques have some ambiguous parts. Some of the drug canisters are hard to tell where the model ends and the sprue begins (without checking the photo of the finished model). Ironically, it's not obvious at all, and you have to recreate a couple of rounded ends, which is silly, IMO. Also, the sandal is so thin that it looks like flash at a glance. Neither is really a problem, but both require more modelling effort, for sure.

My bigger problem with finecast in general is bubbles. I hate that -- in fairness, you see it in some PP metal minis too. Yes, it too is fixable; I just don't really like doing it

At the comments re quality of recent plastic individual models -- I just plainly have to disagree. There are a few models that were beautiful in Finecast, like Shadowseer. However, with a few exceptions (like DE Archon), the new plastics are beautifully posed, nicely sculpted, easy to build, and fairly problem free. Of course, some of that is just preference.

As to cost, yeah,the newer plastic HQs are more expensive (than the old resin ones)... but you know GW; that's their shtick. Even if it stayed resin, those new models would be more expensive.

 Talys wrote:
My bigger problem with finecast in general is bubbles. I hate that -- in fairness, you see it in some PP metal minis too. Yes, it too is fixable; I just don't really like doing it

Some models are better than others and for the most part I've done well with Finecast models. Yes, I've hit a few bad apples but I was (mostly) able to get those replaced. The other issue with Finecast that people seem to have forgot about is how soft and susceptible to heat it is. On a warm, sunny day your Finecast models can begin to sag and bend, requiring you to correct this manually with warm water or heat gun. Not such a wonderful thing to have to do to a painted model.

 Talys wrote:
@KaptinBadrukk -- I actually have one of those Finecast Hive Tyrant BNIB lol.

I prefer plastic models to finecast equivalents in probably 19 out of 20 models, and I think the plastic versions are easier to work with overall in every case.

However, the example of the Fire Dragon, or Urien Rakkarth (I have both in finecast) I actually don't mind the aspects of finecast that you mentioned at all. With the Fire Dragon, I snip all of the connection points with a pair of sprue cutters, about 2mm from the model. Then, I take a No. 11 knife and cut it down flush, lightly filing where necessary. I find that Finecast is actually much easier to de-sprue and remove mold lines than plastic, because a sharp knife cleanly slices it so easily.

I will say that if your method is to just snip everything off the sprue as closely to the model as possible and paint it, finecast is definitely a horrible material.

With Urien Rakkarth, I dunno; I don't really see anything special about taking it off the sprue. I guess I've been desensitized If you want to pick out a better example, I think Grotesques have some ambiguous parts. Some of the drug canisters are hard to tell where the model ends and the sprue begins (without checking the photo of the finished model). Ironically, it's not obvious at all, and you have to recreate a couple of rounded ends, which is silly, IMO. Also, the sandal is so thin that it looks like flash at a glance. Neither is really a problem, but both require more modelling effort, for sure.

My bigger problem with finecast in general is bubbles. I hate that -- in fairness, you see it in some PP metal minis too. Yes, it too is fixable; I just don't really like doing it

At the comments re quality of recent plastic individual models -- I just plainly have to disagree. There are a few models that were beautiful in Finecast, like Shadowseer. However, with a few exceptions (like DE Archon), the new plastics are beautifully posed, nicely sculpted, easy to build, and fairly problem free. Of course, some of that is just preference.

As to cost, yeah,the newer plastic HQs are more expensive (than the old resin ones)... but you know GW; that's their shtick. Even if it stayed resin, those new models would be more expensive.

OK. How was putting it together? Was it easy to paint? Was it more finecast or gak cast?

finecast was wayyy better then metal...

that being said, why the frick dont they just use the same thing as FW.... cut some costs, and FW stuff works...


though I have got a fair amount of bubbly unworkable FW stuff too, but they always replace it so no biggie.

GW too also has always replaced defective casts for me, be they plastic, metal, or fine cast

I see those pictures and all I want to do is grab a pair of clippers and knives and go to town on them.

I know there's something wrong with me when I get far more enjoyment cleaning a mess like that up and building it rather than actually painting or playing with it.

My experiences with finecast have all been pretty decent. I'm assuming I'm obviously in the minority. Unfortunately getting lizard and skaven heroes in anything besides finecast these days isn't exactly easy, and a few of the lizard heroes are only available in the stuff, like Gor Rok (who I really need to finish painting).

@easysauce: i must be one of the few people in the "i love metal models" camp...
Finceast is rubbery, and warped, even when it isn't full of bubbles...
like you said, though, i would be happy if they had used FW resin, even though it can need a bit of clean-up at times, it just feels like a better quality material, for me...

i was happy to avoid Finecast until recently, and am bummed that i have to use it for a couple of my current jobs...

i have a metal Thunderfire Cannon, and it goes together with no problem, but then i pin everything, in every material, since i paint all of my minis in sub-assemblies anyway...
i just got sent the Noise Marine upgrade set in Finecast, and it is warped all to hell...
thankfully, i talked my client into going with a FW Kakophoni Marine instead...

cheers
jah

The source for this is a distributer. I got a feeling their might do just been a miscommunication and that fine cast will become a direct only item.

For how much fine cast retailers end up sending back....

 Lockark wrote:
The source for this is a distributer. I got a feeling their might do just been a miscommunication and that fine cast will become a direct only item.

For how much fine cast retailers end up sending back....

It has been for awhile, from what I recall.

 easysauce wrote:
finecast was wayyy better then metal...

that being said, why the frick dont they just use the same thing as FW.... cut some costs, and FW stuff works...

Heh, think about what you said and what it suggests: that Finecast is so cheap for GW to produce that they can replace the same model for a customer multiple times, and it would still be cheaper for GW than one Forgeworld model.

I certainly won't be sad to see the last of finecast; it's the tipping point that moved me away from GW in the first place, because the quality was so awful (I've made 12 purchases/replacements, 2 are bubbled and fragile but usable, the rest were scrap). That's an embarrasing failure rate for a DIY shop, let alone the market leader.

 Talys wrote:


Not that I disagreew with you, but the new characters in campaign boxes are nice. Frankly, I prefer buying a $120 box that's good (modelling) value, and having a nice $20 solo miniature thrown in.

Also, to add to your list -- the current Nork Deddog model was released less than a year ago, wasn't it? April-ish 2014, at the same time as Bullgryns?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Militarum-Auxilla-Nork-Deddog

I never knew he'd been redone. But sweet buddah that's a crap model compared to the old metal one, and the price is eye watering. I think I only paid £15 for the metal one a few years ago, and I'm glad I did.

 Lockark wrote:
The source for this is a distributer. I got a feeling their might do just been a miscommunication and that fine cast will become a direct only item.

For how much fine cast retailers end up sending back....

I thought Finecast was already direct only.


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Herzlos wrote:

 Talys wrote:


Not that I disagreew with you, but the new characters in campaign boxes are nice. Frankly, I prefer buying a $120 box that's good (modelling) value, and having a nice $20 solo miniature thrown in.

Also, to add to your list -- the current Nork Deddog model was released less than a year ago, wasn't it? April-ish 2014, at the same time as Bullgryns?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Militarum-Auxilla-Nork-Deddog

I never knew he'd been redone. But sweet buddah that's a crap model compared to the old metal one, and the price is eye watering. I think I only paid £15 for the metal one a few years ago, and I'm glad I did.

Nork is part of the Ogryn kit, hence the price.

Honestly I like him like that because at least with plastics you get a lot of options on how to build him. Plus his bits can be used for Boneheads.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Nork is part of the Ogryn kit, hence the price.

Wait, what? That's not very clear at all. I assumed it was for a single mini, and GW is nuts enough to charge that.

I re-read the description and it is for 3 generic Ogryns with an option to buy one, that's quite an improvement on the metal ones, but the way the list stuff on that website is awful (with alternate builds being a different item, and search for "ogryn" now showing the fething ogryns, I need to search for "ogryns". I dispair).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
The source for this is a distributer. I got a feeling their might do just been a miscommunication and that fine cast will become a direct only item.

For how much fine cast retailers end up sending back....

I thought Finecast was already direct only.

Most of it already is yes, but their are a few items that are optional items the retailers can stock, and are stocked in GW stores. The Thunderfire cannon, The Space Marien Captains that came out for apoc, Fire Dragons and some of the other Aspect Warriors off the top of my head.

All of these are normal Items that GW's and FLGS's and stock. You can even check the GW website, and you will see these are not Web-store Exclusive Items.

I think it's just many people just THINK they are, because alot FLGS's got fed up with the unhappy customers coming back to them with swiss chesses for models.

Herzlos wrote:

I never knew he'd been redone. But sweet buddah that's a crap model compared to the old metal one, and the price is eye watering. I think I only paid £15 for the metal one a few years ago, and I'm glad I did.

Wait, what? The old one looked ludicrously slowed. Sure, he's still not what you'd call nice but Ogryns are suppose to look like crap. The old one though, he looks like the slowed cousin of Vin Diesel that suffers from the elephant disease and a heavy user of steroids ever since he was a child.